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Contents 1 Not cool for his family not to attend his funeral 2 Sobel succeeded 3 What???? 4 Fair use rationale for Image:Hsobelbob.jpg

[edit] Not cool for his family not to attend his funeral

That's not cool how his family didn't attend his funeral. I don't care how mean people say he is, if he's family you gotta at least attend his funeral. 205.174.22.28 05:37, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

The man tried to kill himself, and apparently lived in a vegetative state after that. I think it would be safe to assume that if his family did not attend his funeral, it was because they had already said goodbye.

[edit] Sobel succeeded

Commanders during basic training were expected to train the men hard and get the men to bond together into a team. Being liked was not a requirement. Sobel succeeded

I agree. Sobel deserved a lot of the credit for how the men turned-out, and he deserved more respect in the book and film for his contribution. I am sorry that his image is so tarnished, but, unfortunately, based upon the men's public comments, he is most responsible for his resulting ill-favored legacy. GUEST, 6-5-2006.

I found this interesting site [1] and provides Captain Herbert Sobel's post-war history...interesting and sad reading. GUEST, 6-5-2006.

Yeah, history judged him harshly... You really have to see how much contribution he made to the regiment. Btw, nice link there.

"I want to say - Captain Sobel - rest in peace. It is a very sad thing that his wartime experiences led to such a life of misery. He did not deserve it. He tried as hard as he could to make it as an Airborne officer, but try as he might, he just could not do it. He should be respected for his effort. Anyone who tries that hard deserves respect. It was his failings that caused his jealousy of Winters. But should we condemn the man for getting jealous of someone who was better than he was? I don't think so. Who hasn't ever been jealous of someone who has what you want most?

Interesting link, but really sad. He was an even bigger ass in real life, and it takes quite a bit of effort to be so hated by your own kids and family that they would never attend your funeral.

"Trying Hard" is not generally considered a prerequisite to being an effective infantry officer. He couldn't cut it, and instead of admitting it, he took it out on others. That he managed to prepare a company for combat was co-incidental to his being an ass. He would have earned far more respect by admitting his failings and moving on to something he was good at. Had he actually led the men into combat, all indications are that he would have cracked, and gotten many men killed, ala Lieutenant Dike. All the "trying hard" in the world would not have brought back the men he killed. As for his "leadership style", there are many kinds. His style wasn't the only effective one, so those in awe of how good his company turned out to be probably haven't experienced truly shitty leaders like that for real. I don't pretend to be a paratrooper or even an infantryman, but I've known petty tyrants like Sobel in a military setting, and the careers they ruin out of spite are never worth it. How many truly good paratroopers did Sobel turf out on a whim? I guess it is something you have to experience firsthand before you begin to understand it. I'll save my pity and sorrow for someone who deserves it; based on all accounts of this person whom I've never met, I still have to say he's not one of them.Michael Dorosh 02:13, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Captain Herbert Sobel should not be remembered as a petty tyrant. He should be remembered as a man who tried his best, and that in itself deserves respect" (Chris Hook). (Offtopic: You guys watched the Band of Brothers marathon on sunday June 4th, didn't you? jak722 18:04, 06 June 2006

Mr. Ambrose highlighted in The Band of Brothers episode the parts that affected the troops Sobel was in charge of. There is always more to a person that was is highlighted in a film. It is a shame that none of his family members attanded his funeral. I am sure there was a reason for that. JET

[edit] What????

According to Richard Winters's autobiographical book, Sobel was said to have grown up in Chicago, which was a main reason behind Sobel's erratic behavior when commanding Easy Company. •Jim62sch• 22:45, 15 June 2007 (UTC).

Just read Richard Winters' book Biggest Brother: The Life of Major Dick Winters, The Man Who Led the Band of Brothers. There was a page or two dedicated to talking about Sobel, and Winters gave the explanation of why Sobel was the person he was.

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Hsobelbob.jpg

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BetacommandBot (talk) 06:55, 1 January 2008 (UTC)