User talk:Hephaestos/Archive20031209

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Please see my reply in User talk:Schneelocke about the situation in Caribbean Stud Poker.

Was only scanning page over lightly, but somebody on next edit may want to sub corps for core in the first part referring to use of volunteers, if that's the original intent. 65.247.35.18 (gotta go create a handle!) ca 03:30 31 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Hurry and make the handle, because I don't know which page you mean! *grin* - Hephaestos 02:34, 1 Sep 2003 (UTC)

I've read that Cochise was never photographed... are we sure that photo is of Cochise? --Dante Alighieri 18:21, 2 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Inquiring minds want to know. I've a question for you at Talk:Kahoolawe - Marshman 18:52, 2 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Did you mean to put Jpsturm back on Votes for deletion/August 28? Angela 01:07, 4 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Ok. I just thought it was clearer to show which ones had been resolved. I was basing it on what had been done at August 21 but I see now some other dates do still have the discussion in them. Angela 01:15, 4 Sep 2003 (UTC)

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[edit] Edit war

So your solution to stop an edit war is to participate in it? Interesting.—Eloquence


Here's my proposal: Let's leave the page in its traditional format for now. That is in line with generally accepted Wikipedia policy and the community process. We have all the time in the world to argue about its format and to vote on a decision. I guarantee you that I will not delay this decision making process so if you really like the new format, and if there is large support for it, then it should be back up and running in no time. But I do not like the way this was done in violation of the standard procedure in such cases, as you yourself admit, so let's do this the right way. Peace? —Eloquence

Which one of our legion of vandals is Buddha? (I had a pretty good guess he was a vandal. I was n't quite sure which one yet!) FearÉIREANN 05:43, 7 Sep 2003 (UTC)

His style reminds me a bit of Lir and he seems to know his ways around the wiki system remarkably well.—Eloquence


Possible clue? Angela 05:48, 7 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Good catch Angela, but that doesn't fit either Lir or DW. Their service area would appear to cover Colorado, Arizona and Utah. - Hephaestos 05:59, 7 Sep 2003 (UTC)

He sounds incredibly like Lir. One of Adam's traits was jumping into disputes to see if he could twist the knife and make them a bit bloodier. Another was creating nonsense articles to prove some theoretical point. This geezer did both, the first in the edit war, the second in his antics over gay lists versus straight lists. And the fact that he knew the location of the protected page page is evidence that this user is not new but very very experienced. FearÉIREANN 06:35, 7 Sep 2003 (UTC)


And what is the known name of that vandal ? Anthère


So, it is perfectly relevant that this user ask that his user page and talk page are deleted ? Anthère

In any case, Buddha deserves a bit more airtime before we brand him a vandal (apologies to Hep for abusing his talk page for this discussion).—Eloquence 06:51, Sep 7, 2003 (UTC)

He at least has something of a sense of humor. See Pyroto.Ark30inf 06:53, 7 Sep 2003 (UTC)


I looked a bit at the history of his contributions.

First, they are limited, certainly did not cause a full day work against a vandal

Second, the contributions to the articles I've looked at look ok by me. Not the contributions of a vandal

Third, he reverted a bunch of times stuff to Erik last save. I saw there was a disagreement with Erik about the deletion page. I see not why someone would be said a vandal and not the other ones doing reversion. Vandal is a quick label here. I would like to see again the definition of a vandal.

In short, I see not entirely why his talk page is protected, and I see not why his pages would not be deleted if he ask for.

Of course, I could have missed the point entirely.

Sorry if I cannot give Buddha the benefit of the doubt. It is clear to me that this person showed up in force simply because the [[List of heterosexuals]] page was in danger of deletion, and has wasted the time of several people over almost an entire day in troll-like obtuse non-argument, disruption of the system, and after the page was deleted (check the log) repeatedly tried to re-instate it. This person is someone who has a regular account here, knows the system, and cowardly came on today to cause trouble. This person deserves no more air time before being branded a vandal. - Hephaestos 06:56, 7 Sep 2003 (UTC)
why did people lose time with him then ?
Looking back, I have no idea. - Hephaestos
This is so typical :-))))
But yes, this is obviously a regular ;-)

Sorry! I was going to go back and disambiguate the other William Bowyer. I should have done that first so I would have realised he was a printer too. I've reverted it now. Angela 22:00, 7 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Okay, my user blocking code at http://test.wikipedia.org is ready for testing now. -- Tim Starling 01:34, Sep 8, 2003 (UTC)

Doesn't seem to be on yet (for user "The Admin") - Hephaestos 01:49, 8 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Could you delete again the article with Chinese title (which appears as strange symbols on some browsers)? I have written a remark to the author, who doesn't seem to realise what the problem is. wshun 04:21, 8 Sep 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Wikibooks

Hey Hephaestos, have you hung out at the Wikibooks site at all ? -- karlwick

A belated thank you for the image of Daniel Morgan. I've always had difficulty with images. Lou I 02:12, 12 Sep 2003 (UTC)

In case you haven't read, Andrewa has some feedback (MeatBall:CriticismIsFeedback) for you at wikipedia:village pump. Martin


Hi Hep, I've put a complaint about BuddhaInside's behaviour on the w-list. In the meantime, would you consider protecting his talk page to leave criticism of him in situ. He seems determined to blank the page to hide criticism. I've reverted it a couple of times. I'd prefer if someone else protected it. (One solution might be to move his talk page en bloc onto his main page and protecting it there, so that people could continue to leave messages on the talk page but past comments could be protected and in view. lol FearÉIREANN 22:40, 14 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Thanks for changing the Popular music page back. Stupidly I reverted it before checking it rather than after and then Wikipedia started going too slow for me to be able to edit the page and change it back. Angela 02:42, Sep 22, 2003 (UTC)

I'm hoping to wring just one concession out of him. Maybe I'm a starry-eyed optimist. BuddhaInside has two bugaboos: eliminating bias and enhancing consistency. Much of what he's done has been in pursuit of these goals; while he's a shit-disturber, to be sure, he's not a "standard" troll. -- Cyan 02:26, 25 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Shall we say, his unique perception of what constitutes bias, then? Have a look at User talk:Cyan/archive, about a third of the way down. -- Cyan 02:32, 25 Sep 2003 (UTC)


I have emailed you about a private matter. -- Cyan 02:50, 25 Sep 2003 (UTC)

I don't see anything wrong with the main page... -- Cyan 03:02, 25 Sep 2003 (UTC)

That's because Angela fixed it. RickK 03:03, 25 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Please block BuddhaInside NOW. RickK

Very nice job on Gompers! Bcorr 15:34, 26 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Thanks!  :) - Hephaestos

Thanks for unblocking those IPs. I didn't realise it was a GFDL site. Angela 07:40, 29 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Could you visit Antinous and fix my caption as you did for Herschel Grynszpan? - I don't know how to do this. Thanx Adam 02:32, 1 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Whatever u think best. See also Archibald Fountain :) Adam

Re images: Thanx for that, I save them all as jpegs but I don't really know what I'm doing in this area - I'm a bit of a techno-dummy I'm afraid.

You don't really think "1990's" is correct do you? The redundant plural apostrophe is a major phobia of mine. Adam 05:37, 1 Oct 2003 (UTC)

[edit] image of Fulbright

Thanks for adding an image to the article I just wrote, J. William Fulbright. Alas, it doesn't display in the article.

When I went to view it at

http://en2.wikipedia.org/upload/3/3b/JWilliamFulbright.jpeg

I got his error msg:

The requested URL /upload/3/3b/JWilliamFulbright.jpeg was not found on this server.

Maybe something to do with the www/en2 thing? Can you see it? -- Viajero 18:43, 3 Oct 2003 (UTC)


PS How did you upload it? I just went to Special:Upload and got an error msg;

Sorry, uploads have been disabled on this server.

-- Viajero 18:54, 3 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Uploads have been switching back and forth between servers lately; I used www.wikipedia.org today (and I think it should show up on that server, probably won't propagate to en2 for a day or so I'm guessing). - Hephaestos 18:59, 3 Oct 2003 (UTC)
Thanks for undoing Angela's move. As a Brit, I guess she didn't know the name. BTW, still can't see the image, on either www or en2 :-((( Oh well, I guess it will turn up one of these days... Best, Viajero 09:34, 4 Oct 2003 (UTC)
Very weird; I don't see it any more either. I was going to upload it again but now that function is apparently disabled on both servers. Guess it'll have to wait a bit. - Hephaestos 17:22, 4 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Unfortunately, all my favorite restaurants are now gone. The Aquavit was my last hope, though it could hardly be considered haute cuisine. The killjoys wouldn't even let you smoke a cigar after supper. I'm picking up a friend at the airport and taking them to supper, and Stefano's, in Burnsville, is the best I could think of. I really should get out more... UninvitedCompany 22:00, 3 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Did you add the image to the Dolley Madison page? Is it a photograph? Could you add a caption about it to the page? Thanks. Rmhermen 17:53, Oct 8, 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Copyvio

Hi, is there any reason you removed the :[[Talk:PAGE NAME/temp]] from the copyvio boilerplate? It is what had been decided on at Wikipedia:Copyright violations on history pages and Wikipedia talk:Possible copyright infringements. Angela 03:08, Oct 9, 2003 (UTC)

I'm changing it back so no more issues with the history pages occur. If there was a reason for your removing it, please can you unrevert and let me know why. Thanks. Angela 04:26, Oct 9, 2003 (UTC)
It does seem complicated, I agree. But this seems to be the only way to stop people rewriting straight over the top and preserving the copyvio in the history. As it mostly applies to newbies, it needs to be as clear to them as possible how to get a temp page. I don't think that just telling to do it on a temp page would help without the link being there.
Anyway, you don't need to use a boilerplate for it since the introduction of the Cleanup page. Just list the page on there and say copyvio (with or without the address it might be a copyvio from) and then whoever is looking after the cleanup page can take it to the copyvio page and add the boilertext etc. Angela 04:41, Oct 9, 2003 (UTC)

Sorry for not getting back earlier. Re the list of articles from what appears to be our Cleopatra nut: they look distinctly dodgy but I don't know enough about the area to say definitively that it is bs. I just strongly suspect that it is rubbish. I'd suggest they should be listed on the VfD and see the reaction. Drawing attention to them might expose their nonsense. FearÉIREANN 21:06, 9 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Hi Hep, thanks for supporting my adminship application :) Arwel 12:10, 10 Oct 2003 (UTC)

[edit] article name

Hi, can you help me with something? I recently wrote an article called Bolivian Gas War. Svertigo just changed the name to Bolivian Gas Conflict. Indeed, it is not a "war" in the literal sense, which I indicated in the intro, but this is what people are referring to as, in Bolivia as well. Google doesn't return a single hit for "Bolivian Gas Conflict". What is your opinion? Please reply on Talk:Bolivian Gas Conflict. If you agree with the original name, perhaps you could move it back. Thanks. -- Viajero 00:18, 14 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Thanks (again) for helping sort this out! I owe you one... -- Viajero 17:04, 14 Oct 2003 (UTC)
No problem; still checking to see that all the links are right though, this was a tricky one.  :) - Hephaestos 17:09, 14 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Damn, is that your G5? *jealous* .. Evercat 20:06, 18 Oct 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Iraq and weapons of mass destruction

Why did you erase my changes to the Iraq and WMD article? I think my alterations were very reasonable and kept all the relevant information. The "changed its position" talk makes it seem like there was a shifting and inconsistent US policy, when in fact the increased demand came about because Saddam failed to meet the penultimate deadline (his "last chance"). I don't think my efforts should just be reverted with no explanation.

Also, on PNAC you took out the words devious and sinister as POV. Obviously, those are not neutral in isolation, but the context was allegedly devious and considered sinister, which is I think accurate. I don't really care either way, but I don't understand your objection. -- VV 22:41, 24 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Okay, well, I don't agree US policy was shifting and inconsistent, at least not very much so, and anyway my own phrasing makes it clear that there was a change in demand, without the excess baggage that it was a change in position; it also makes it clearer that the demand was that Saddam leave Iraq. It thus seems more neutral and more informative. But I will attempt to integrate your concern. As for PNAC, I find your response puzzling. The text was This quote (allegedly publishing their devious plans) is considered the "proof" of a sinister plot.... How can you deny that? -- VV 23:35, 24 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Great, I saw the new version, and I think it addresses both our concerns. As for the text on PNAC, the indefinite article strongly indicates that considered applies to "the proof of a sinister plot", not just "the proof"; the "allegedly" qualifier, however, is ambiguous since "their plans" might exist anyway, but in context it should be clear that it is the misquoters who claim there was any plan at all. Anyway, as I said, it doesn't really matter, as it doesn't seem to affect the text's impact. Lastly, you noted that you don't know who's right, but if you want it's pretty easy to check for yourself; see RAD, the first page and a half of Chapter V (pp.50-51), and see if this version of the Wikipedia page, which had this claim for about five months, tells the truth (e.g., no mention of Iraq at all). -- VV 21:59, 25 Oct 2003 (UTC)

How about adding the link on George W. Bush rather than replacing it? I for one quite like Letterman's Top 10 lists and given the choice, would have preferred to have access to it when viewing his page. MikeSchinkel 18:24, 26 Oct 2003 (UTC)

For a while, SQL queries were entirely disabled for admins. They now seem to be enabled again. I don't know why -- at a guess I'd say Brion did it. Eloquence didn't consult Brion before he disabled them. There are indeed off peak hours: see http://en.wikipedia.org/stats/usage_200310.html under "hourly usage". If you run a query which takes a long time, and you can't use the rest of the site while it is running, please don't just click "stop", wander off and have lunch. Contact me or Brion and ask to have the query killed. Do you have the developer contact list? -- Tim Starling 06:59, Oct 29, 2003 (UTC)

Hello Hephaestos! It seems you have a stalker, i reverted the changes in your page done by some wacko. Is this usual?!? Btw, you discovered wikipedia on my birthday, a nice one, full of massacres and catastrophes... Cheers, Muriel Gottrop 23:51, 1 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Hi, re Grackle. I think ITIS is out on a limb here. I have two recent North American field guides, and several European guides, all put the grackles in Icteridae, and so does the influential Icterids of the World. Although there are some differences in passerine taxonomy, this really shouldn't be one of them. The taxonomy for northern hemisphere species in Wikipedia is from the Handbook of the Birds of the World, really just to have a consistent system, but it is heavily influenced by modern American taxonomy. Keep it in Icteridae.

I don't appreciate your moving Kyiv and replacing all mentions of it with "Kiev". This is not the name that scholarly works, travel guides, and the Ukrainian goverment use for the city. It transcends mere issues of transliteration. "Kiev" is the Russian name of the city, and why should we call the Ukrainian capital by the name given to it by what many see as foreign oppressors. I've moved everything back. Please follow the latest Wikipedia custom in putting cities at their current name, with redirects at anachrostic forms. Kricxjo 02:59, 4 Nov 2003 (UTC)

WIkipedia puts things at their most common English names, not their most politically correct name. "Kiev" gets 2,210,000 Google hits. "Kyiv" gets 387,000. Since we're descriptive, not proscriptive, Kiev wins. And probably will continue to be, until "Chicken Kyiv" gets put on menus. -- Someone else 03:29, 4 Nov 2003 (UTC)


Did you even read what I wrote? After independence the name of the city has been Kyiv in scholarly works, travel guides, and by the Ukrainian government in its English-language communications. Wire services have als changed the name. Take a look at, for example, the Lonely Planet guide to Ukraine, which uses "Kyiv" throughout and educates the reader that the former name is anachronistic. Some people still say "Kiev", but they are usually not very knowledgable on the current state of the country. Look at the Mumbai or Kolkata examples, for Pete's sake. The community has already been over this. Kricxjo 03:22, 4 Nov 2003 (UTC)

As I said, Mumbai and Kolkata don't apply; they have already been accepted into English (very quickly I might add!) Kiyv will, I'm sure, eventually be accepted into English too, but it's not now. When it happens, the article will be moved, not until. - Hephaestos 03:34, 4 Nov 2003 (UTC)

I put a lot of work into my articles and I think captions are both necessary and expected, even when there is no doubt who the photo is of. I have contributed something like 100 articles with photos and they all have captions. I don't make trivial edits to your articles so please don't do it to mine. Adam 14:01, 9 Nov 2003 (UTC)

I don't mind at all being copy-edited. I make frequent typos when in the heat of writing and I am grateful when other people correct them. I do mind when people change things which I have clearly intended to do, for no particularly good reason (such as improving the article). Adam 14:14, 9 Nov 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Richard Neustadt

It looks like Wir and Lir are at it again on Richard Neustadt. It may need to be protected yet again. I'd rather not get involved just now. Care to do the honors? -- Viajero 19:28, 10 Nov 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Heads up. Somebody is impersonating you on meta.

Someone is signing as you on the talk page of the list of Michael pseudonyms. He is asking, "as Hephaestos" to reinstate all edits by Michael. Hah! -- Cimon Avaro on a pogostick 23:22, Nov 10, 2003 (UTC)

Well, I alerted Angela, before giving you the heads up. After that I tried to find the list of admins on meta, without success. Maybe we need a central list of all sysops on all wikipedias, which is maintained and synchronized on all wikipedias, so everybody knows who to contact. -- Cimon Avaro on a pogostick 23:35, Nov 10, 2003 (UTC)

Hi Heph, you sure are a frequent cible :-) I blocked one name on en and one ip on meta against you in the past 2 days. I just wanted to tell/remind you I was sysop on meta if needed. I often goes there, and will be quite avail on en from now on. If you need, just drop me a word. :-) Anthère

[edit] Sandbox

Hello. I'm a bit confused about the sandbox. Your edit summary to Raqs al Sharqi says "restoring content. DO NOT MOVE THE SANDBOX". Do you mean the person who originally did this shouldn't? Or someone (like me) trying to fix it shouldn't? I think the sandbox needs to be moved to Raqs al sharqi and Raqs al sharqi needs to be moved to the sandbox. The page history of Raqs al sharqi clearly shows that used to be the sandbox, but I'm not sure if your comment meant no-one should move it, so I'll leave it for now. Perhaps you could fix it or let me know so I can. Thanks. Angela


Thank you for your recent edit to my Nudibranch article. You did a very good job cleaning up the page, and the addition of that taxobox helped a lot. Sincerly yours, Alexandros 03:15, 14 Nov 2003 (UTC)

By making such statements as the following, your brillance is only exceeded by your good looks. NightCrawler 17:28, 14 Nov 2003 (UTC)

[edit] NightCrawler

Judging from style, behavior and similarity in controversies, I have suspected for quite some time that User:NightCrawler and hard-banned User:DW are one and the same person. I was willing to let it go for a while since there didn't seem to be too many problems, but now I see this person is driving off good new contributors (see User talk:Petermanchester. Could developers look into IP comparison to confirm or deny this suspicion? Thank you. - Hephaestos 17:08, 14 Nov 2003 (UTC)


Knights Templar Article What gives you the right to say whats not relevant to the article? the Modern organization IS very relevant. I even listed it as the MODERN organization. I will keep posting that link there.


well, there must be some sort of compromise. I think that link is very relevant and I dont see how it could not be. I have readily identified it as the modern organization. Putting it on the talk page defeats the purpose.

Hephaestos, my apologies for not knowing that protocols. That is more than fair enough. You have my full support. Hopefully no hard feelings. Justin L. Smith 02:39, 16 Nov 2003 (UTC)

No of course no hard feelings.  :) I've seen you do some good work here since you started an account, and knew this had to be just a short-lived misunderstanding. - Hephaestos 02:42, 16 Nov 2003 (UTC)


Well it helped that I realized that you are not just some idiots who disagree with me on something; you are veteran wikipedia users who have the integrity of the community in mind. I have been reading wikipedia articles for over a year before i finally realized what one can do with it. Im not that good with computers so that also played a role. Im glad we cleared this up. Justin L. Smith 02:51, 16 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Even veteran Wikipedians can be a bit slow in going to the talk pages when warranted, which unfortunately I think I exemplified myself this evening. *grin* Looking forward to working with you. - Hephaestos 02:55, 16 Nov 2003 (UTC)

And I with you as well. Justin L. Smith 03:02, 16 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Heph, could you please protect Mecca, as well? RickK 07:19, 16 Nov 2003 (UTC)

I did it since you'd edited the page. Angela
Sorry, just noticed your message to RickK. Do unprotect if you think it was unnecessary. Angela 07:25, 16 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Ever considered protecting your user page? You seem to get a lot of vandalism on there. Just a thought. -- Mattworld 19:20, 16 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Hi, Hephaestos -- I had a complaint here, but Angela politely pointed out to me it was a) in the wrong place and consequently b) largely full of crap. I'm going to go make it in the right place. Trontonian 16:04, 17 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. I'd already made a complaint on the suggested page, and then it disappeared. But I'm not getting Wikinoid about that. An interesting discussion on the ban page. I realize that things may look far different from your perspective, so the more discussion the better. Trontonian 17:57, 17 Nov 2003 (UTC)
After further research I find it's still there--I was referred to two different pages. Trontonian
As you were already aware. Thanks for not mentioning that.

Hi. Are you sure Image:Kookaburra.ogg is actually an ogg-encoded file? I couldn't play it with xmms which can play other ogg files. Also, konqueror identified it as "AIFF/Amiga Audio". Cheers, snoyes 17:58, 17 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Thanks for moving the rest of those Livery Company pages. I was working through them last night but they bored me to sleep eventually so it was a nice surprise to see them all finished this morning. :) Angela

I'm not sure it was a good idea to delete Jim Dine. I think that could have scared him off. Im sure your intentions were good however. Alexandros 02:37, 25 Nov 2003 (UTC)

[edit] godwit

[edit] marbled godwit picture

thanks for fixing this - and I see how it's done, I'll know next time. seglea 05:00, 29 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Would it be worth someone nominating Mydogategodshat again? I was thinking of writing something along the lines of "Excellent contributions, and this user has now shown that he will not give up his ideals (submission to seemingly irrational orders to change username) in order to gain more power (adminship). This demonstrates that he is unlikely to abuse or be corrupted by admin powers.". But I decided a potential second nomination would probably be better by someone other than me, though. (Asking a few people this.) Κσυπ Cyp   13:11, 29 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Thanks. Danny 02:34, 1 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Thanks for protecting Hank Eskin. Angela 21:05, 1 Dec 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Article

Not trying to start an edit war or anything, it just happened that my edit happened same time as yours. I have two reliable sources that say Kearny's birthday is 6-2 1815, and I'll change back the side of the picture. Those two sources both say Columbia university (those sources being civilwarhome.com and the 1911 Encyclopedia). ugen64 21:59, Dec 1, 2003 (UTC)

Is this how regular talks go between users, replying on other users' names? I've never had to do it, but I suppose this is how... anyway, [1] says 1815 (which was your second example), so... what is up with his birthdate :-\ ugen64 22:09, Dec 1, 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Good call on that whole G5 thing

I did make a bit of a mess of it.Boffy b 23:05, 1 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Hi, just to let you know, Jimbo advised that Hank Eskin be deleted, so I deleted it, recreated it as a redirect and reprotected the redirect. Angela 00:22, 2 Dec 2003 (UTC)


==THank you for the excellent (and fast) aid on the Operations Silver & Gold entries. Paul

You're very welcome. I think Gold still needs some formatting done, but I'm pondering how to best do it. I may get to it later. - Hephaestos

I see that you moved Unam Sanctam to Wikisource. That's fine because it is a text that belongs there. However, in putting it there you made it an orphan at Wikisource (I've fixed that where I've also renamed it "Unam Sanctam (English)), and you also created three broken links in Wikipedia. Perhaps you could fix those broken links. ☮ Eclecticology 21:21, 2003 Dec 3 (UTC)

I'm confused; with the exception of five minutes today, the links on Wikipedia have been "broken" as long as they've existed (quite some time, even the one on the talk page). I suppose I could write up a stub article but I don't really know a lot about the subject. (I also wasn't aware that orphan articles on Wikisource were frowned upon, I rather thought most of them were orphans. I'll add to the authors page from now on when placing items there.) - Hephaestos 23:52, 3 Dec 2003 (UTC)

It was just the revert which did not work, because there was nothing to revert, the vandal removed his garbage himself. I did a dummy edit (added one space character) and it worked. andy 17:01, 4 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Why did you restore Dervish? It was nothing but a dictionary definition, and looked strongly like a copyvio. RickK 04:37, 5 Dec 2003 (UTC)

You just locked Dershowitz-Finkelstein Affair after it had been blanked, so the current protected version is the vandalised revision. Alexandros 15:24, 5 Dec 2003 (UTC)

  • OK. I just wasn't sure you were aware of that. I'm not involved in that page, but it looks like a silly fight to me. Alexandros

Thank you. A little edit here, a little edit there, and next thing you know you're writing whole paragraphs and might as well log in :) Salsa Shark 08:24, 6 Dec 2003 (UTC)

I really appreciate what you've done at Heroic medicine. I wasn't sure what to do for that article, short of a rollback. And that would have lead to Mr. NH flaming me, and accomplished nothing in the long run. -- Pakaran 07:45, 7 Dec 2003 (UTC)

On a related note, Mr. NH has been quite busy at VFD the past half-hour or so. His ideas of NPOV seem to be quite unique. You might want to take a look. -- Pakaran 07:54, 7 Dec 2003 (UTC)
Agreed on both counts. I like what's been done with his user page though - reduces confusion. -- Pakaran 08:02, 7 Dec 2003 (UTC)

[edit] dagger

Yes, that works. --Jiang, Talk 07:56, 7 Dec 2003 (UTC)