Talk:Henry Fonda

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[edit] Filmography

Just wated to run this by the collective "you." Would it be a better idea to move the filmography to a sub-article, similar to the way major musicians (The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, etc.) have their discographies separate from their main articles? No matter how the filmography section is treated, it will always overshadow the rest of the article because of Fonda's immense body of work. Then, maybe some of us should try expanding/creating articles for as many notable films as possible. Volatile 19:23, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

  • A subpage will work, but there will need to be an overview section. Falphin 19:47, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
    • Maybe the career and personal life portions could be separated, and a "see main article" link to his filmography for the career portion. Volatile

[edit] Famous movies

I think that we should write up some stuff for his most famous movies, like The Grapes of Wrath and 12 Angry Men. Thoughts? -- A Link to the Past 17:34, July 14, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] MULASSO

I reverted the changes to the second paragraph (see here:[1]). I did a quick google search for MULASSO and Fonda, and found...nothing. Also nothing at the Fonda geneaology site in the links. If someone wants to restore it, please cite your sources. Kaisershatner 13:52, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

I (again) reverted changes by 213.146.158.210 about "MULASSO." I will assume good faith, but have left a note at their talk page again asking that this editor cite sources. If anyone else can substantiate these changes with some evidence (as I said, I didn't find any), then please help out. Kaisershatner 13:53, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Really improved.

It's really improved, but now, we should consider branching out from improving sections to adding some? What could we add, maybe, like previously stated, some information on his more famous films. What else could be added? -- A Link to the Past 23:26, July 27, 2005 (UTC)

I reorganized the article to make it less fractured (Marriage/Children stuck between Career articles, almost no info about movies after 1950, etc.). The article could certainly use more info about his personal life outside of film. Volatile 00:13, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
Volatile, I changed back some of your reorganization. No offense is intended. I think putting a biographical section in linear order at the beginning cuts out most of what made him interesting (his long film career and appearances). The way it was before, (In my POV), the "early life" section segued nicely into the early career, with Stewart as the link - his early life ended when he worked with Stewart, then he and Stewart moved to NYC in "early career." The section about the marriages, which I agree with you is a little fractured, breaks up the big paragraphs about his career nicely (early successes, then marriage and family, most of which occurred in the 1940s/50s with the birth of the kids and several weddings in that timeframe). It can be followed by expanded paras about his career in the later period (I agree with you this needs help). I was hoping to add more about his relationships with the family, which I think would go nicely in or around the marriage para. Hope that's ok with you, and either way I would be happy to discuss further. Kaisershatner 14:08, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
Upon reading those parts (Early Life / Early Career), I noticed they do flow well together; so the original layout is probably best. I changed the structure more for the sake of the miniscule Marriage/Children section being wedged between the career sections. I've noticed several actor/singer/etc. pages separate life from career, but I think the way it is now is fine. Right now, the last three sections before the filmography are especially thin. I'll expand the Late Career section later if it isn't done already, but I know very little about his personal life or his legacy. The Marriage/Children section could greatly benefit from someone who owns Fonda's autobiography or has advanced knowledge of his life outside of film. Volatile 15:11, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

Oh, also I specifically found some interesting anecdotes about when Jane was learning to act from Lee Strasberg and how she viewed her father's technique. Would work nicely here if I can find it again. Bad net access today. Kaisershatner 14:08, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

I think that there also needs to either be some deletion, regarding the images, moving them, or adding text to spread them out.

[edit] Photos

Ok, I agree it was a bit cluttered, but I think that small pics of his first wife and his son added to the article. I can live without the leggy pic of Jane... Kaisershatner 15:55, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Free Use Photograph

Since the article is at FAC now, we need a free-use photograph for the main image. The previous header image had uncertain copyright information, so it had to be removed, and replaced with the stamp. If anyone can find a free-use image of Fonda, please post it. Volatile 02:02, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

Well, the not-free-use image is out of the way, don't you think you should vote on this at the FAC? -- A Link to the Past 03:14, August 3, 2005 (UTC)

Wow, this article is much less good without the pics. At least put the postage stamp pic back as the main photo, the Western is hardly the main way Fonda is remembered. Kaisershatner 13:39, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

Right. I mean, it's so great to have images zigzagging through the article. If you want to put them back, TRY and improve them instead of cramping them inbetween each paragraph. -- A Link to the Past 13:56, August 3, 2005 (UTC)
And, RedWordSmith is planning on buying a copy of 12 Angry Men and taking a screenshot of Henry Fonda as Juror #8. This is a placeholder. If you want to take a shot yourself, be my guest. But the stamp is not a good intro picture. -- A Link to the Past 13:58, August 3, 2005 (UTC)
I've got to ditto that. I admit some of the photographs were frivolous (Bridget Fonda's only hit movie, Jane's [hot but not relevant] legs, etc.), but we need something to break up all that text. As far as voting on FAC, I'm going to wait until I have more confidence in the article. The article's nomination seemed a little too hasty and ill-conceived. The article needs some polishing before facing that scrutiny (that's the mistake I made by nominated Cimarron (see here). Volatile 14:06, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
Then put some images in. The article did NOT need such clutter. I don't think it's a very good idea to have images zigzagging through the text. -- A Link to the Past 14:14, August 3, 2005 (UTC)
Okay. You've made your point and it doesn't need repeating. I'm leaving it until we get some good (and free/fair use) photographs.

One possible solution: AllPosters.com [2] has a number of promotional images and film posters taken from Fonda's films. I looked under the WikiPedia copyright information, and it says promotional stills can be used under "fair use." I'd like to keep to "free-use" as much as possible, but that doesn't seem to be panning out. So, this might be the solution we're looking for. Below's a copy of the template for this copyright rule that may be used if we end up using those images.

{{Non-free promotional}}

Volatile 14:26, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

Then try one out, then, if you think it would work. -- A Link to the Past 15:50, August 3, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] This should be tommorow's FA

The anniversary of his death. lots of issues | leave me a message 00:23, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Catch-22

The article doesn't mention that the character Major Major Major Major in the book Catch-22 looks like Henry Fonda.

That is there now - though I don't understand why it needs citation. -- Beardo 04:47, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Major Major Major Major

It's in the book. No citation is needed. See the M*4's article, or the Catch-22 wiki, or the book itself. It's sort of needless nitpicking.

[edit] Last Will and Testament of Henry Fonda

We wish to advise everyone that we (the Living Trust Network) have a copy of Henry Fonda's Last Will and Testament posted on our website, which we believe is of interest to anyone seeking information about the life of Henry Fonda. We have also discussed our desire to post a link to Henry Fonda's Last Will and Testament with Wikipedia administrators [See User talk:Livingtrust], either under "references" or "external links." Last Will and Testament of Henry Fonda. Wikipedia does not object to the link but has requested that we not put the link up ourselves since we are a commercial website. Instead, it has requested that we make it known that the Last Will and Testament is available, and anyone who wishes to add the link to the "reference" section or the "external links" section may do so. So, we solicite your help in adding the link set forth above. Thanks. Livingtrust 02:41, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WP:WikiProject Actors and Filmmakers priority assessment

Per debate and discussion re: assessment of the approximate 100 top priority articles of the project, this article has been included as a top priority article. Wildhartlivie (talk) 11:28, 29 February 2008 (UTC)