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Contents 1 Ducard in the Comics 2 Ra's al Ghul 3 But is Henri Ducard Ras in the comics? 4 Fair use rationale for Image:News-batbegins1-1.jpg 5 Fair use rationale for Image:Ducard.jpg 6 Who is the alias?

[edit] Ducard in the Comics

I will try to find comic citations for Henri Ducard's return. It's in the Blind Justice line. I'll have to get that written up some time now that I have the comics at hand. Ducard deduces Bruce Wayne's identity during an arc involving a scientist at Wayne Technologies inventing a body-swapping device. -Fuzzy 02:44, 5 September 2005 (UTC

[edit] Ra's al Ghul

Man I disagree at one point when you say that Henri Ducard was the real Ras Al Gul all the time.That is just wrong and it seems that you have no idea how the movie turned out in the end.The first Ras just passed the title to Ducard after his death. Ducard was like a sub-chief,a general in the league of this bloody ninjas so he inherited the title of Ras Al Gul.

And steve georgiopoulos is a fag

I'm not sure about that at all. Batman defeats the man he's been told is Ra's Al Ghul, and saves Ducard. He is subsequently introduced to a third man as Ra's Al Ghul, and, when Ducard suggests Al Ghul is immortal, says "Or cheap parlour tricks to conceal your true identity." The implication, to me, was that Ducard was always the real Ra's Al Ghul, and always maintained a fake Ra's Al Ghul as a figurehead.

I could be wrong, but that's how I saw it. Daibhid C 00:18, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

I'd have to agree with Daibhid's analysis, as it fits what I thought as well. -driscolj 02:22, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

It's not true. Ducard and Ra's are NOT the same. You see, on an episode of Batman Beyond, we see that Ra's Al Ghul has transferred his soul into Talia's body and made her the new Ra's Al Ghul, because Ra's' original body was broken far beyond healing. THIS is what he did to Ducard in Batman Begins.

I've removed the bit about Ra's transferring his soul; unless you can provide a notable source saying that this happened in the film Batman Begins (saying it happened to a totally different character in the comics doesn't matter), don't add it again. EVula 20:18, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Why not? That's how Ra's always cheats death in the comics. And that's the trick he used on his daughter Talia on Batman Beyond. Unless you're saying that in Batman Begins, the character of Henri Ducard has been made into an undercover disguise of Ra's al Ghul, and that Henri Ducard is non-existant in the Batman Begins universe. Jienum

I'll say this again: the movie is not the same as the comics. Until you provide a verifiable source for your claim that the movie version of Ra's has taken over Ducard's body, you will keep having your edits reverted.

Also, please sign your posts. I've requested this of you on your talk page and you still haven't started doing it. EVula 15:17, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Ok, so the movies are Non-Canon. I accept that. But Ra's and Ducard are not the same (I mean Ducard did not change into Ra's, and Ra's did not change into Ducard). Is it possible that the character of Ducard has been changed from that of a French Police Detective to an undercover persona of Ra's Al Ghul? Jienum

Do not replace what I've typed with your response again please. EVula 22:38, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

FFS. Wanatabe Al Gul was a decoy, and Darth Gon Jinn was the real thing. It is all but flat out stated.

Oh, but wait, it IS flat out stated - as someone has already mentioned:

"Or cheap parlour tricks to conceal your true identity." Says Bruce, followed by a smug bow from Ra's.

Jienum, please get a clue.(195.92.168.170 01:59, 23 July 2006 (UTC))

I did what you asked me to, so answer my question! Jienum

If your question is "Did they change the character of Henri Ducard into an alias of Ra's then yes. Ra's clearly used it...well, to reference Star Wars, much like how Queen Amidala used the Padame persona. I suspect that he was even BORN Henri Ducard but when he started/joined the League of Shadows (if you choose to believe he was immortal or very old...I like to think he was) he choose a new name. Hell, remember what he taught BRUCE! "You must be MORE than just a man, you must become a symbol, an idea!" He always used other men to be the face of the Demon while he could remain the Head. -Rogzilla —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.115.9.3 (talk) 06:48, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] But is Henri Ducard Ras in the comics?

Or did the people behind Batman Begins merely take some liberties on the original story?

Ducard and Ra's are completely unrelated and different people in the comics. For Batman Begins, the character of Henri Ducard was made into an undercover persona for Ra's Al Ghul. It's like in the two versions of The Mummy. In the first (1932), the character Ardeth Bay is an undercover persona for Im-Ho-Tep, but in the second (1999), Bay is now a Medjai Warrior. Get the point?

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:News-batbegins1-1.jpg

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[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Ducard.jpg

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BetacommandBot (talk) 20:33, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Who is the alias?

In Batman Begins, there's nothing to really suggest that Henri Ducard isn't his real name, and Ra's Al Ghul being the made-up name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.143.86.178 (talk) 04:01, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Other than that he actually says so, directly, after Batman discovers his ruse and he has no further reason to lie. --Noclevername (talk) 22:29, 6 March 2008 (UTC)