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[edit] March 19

[edit] Template format

Why does {{See also}} have a colon both before and after the argument output?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 01:49, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

I don't see a colon after the argument output. For example, {{See also|Wikipedia}} displays:

See also: Wikipedia. What example do you have in mind? --Teratornis (talk) 01:59, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Someone else has fixed it.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 18:10, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Conversation about deleting a category

There is a conversation going on right now about the deletion of a category -- the Association of Theological Schools accreditation. I would like to contribute to this discussion, but everything I see seems to be archival (i.e., there's usually a notice that says "please don't edit this" or some such). Where can I find the ongoing discussion about this topic -- as someone who has working in theological schools and with accrediting bodies, I feel I could contribute to the conversation. k+ —Preceding unsigned comment added by FrKurtMessick (talk • contribs) 02:18, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

You can comment at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2008 March 15#Category:Association of Theological Schools in the United States and Canada. The box at Category:Association of Theological Schools in the United States and Canada has a link to that on the text "this category's entry". PrimeHunter (talk) 02:42, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Am I allowed to post this article?

Am I allowed to post an article about someone I know, who has not made a great change in history but is important in some minor ways? 70.231.150.141 (talk) 02:42, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

It would depend on how important they are. They would have to fulfill the criteria of our notability guideline. Since you know the person, you may also have a conflict of interest. Algebraist 02:45, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

You will need to first register an account, which has many benefits, including the ability to create articles. Once you have registered, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Help:Starting a new page. You might also look at Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP!☺} 02:46, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

You've been posting to articles information about a lot of family members on Wikipedia without appropriate justification of their notability. Please only start Wikipedia articles about notable people. Mac Davis (talk) 08:53, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Help move

One of the articles was moved to a nonstandard name, but the software won't let me undo it! The correct name should be Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha StrikerS, not Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha Strikers. Vivio Testarossa^{Talk Who} 04:02, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

The likely problem is the capitalization of the S at the end of the title or that a redirect already exists. Wisdom89 _{(_T / ^C)} 04:04, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Y Done Mac Davis (talk) 08:34, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Help with monobook

I am using the monobook skin, and i made some edits to it [1], and after that some of the codes in the monobook are not working. I reverted back to a previous version But it didn't help. Can anyone tell me how to fix the error.Amartyabag ^TALK2ME 07:00, 19 March 2008 (UTC) 06:56, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

It appears that you used the undo feature for one of your changes rather than reverting to the version before all of them and thereby did not fix them all. I have reverted. Now just clear your cache and everything should be back to the way it was. Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 10:10, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Cyber Team Page?

Hello,

I'm trying to make a wikipedia page about a Professional video gaming team (Fatal Kill). I've seen that there is a couple other teams that have pages, yet when I try to make one for the team of Fatal Kill, it gets deleted right away, but why aren't the other ones deleted?

Please help me out. Am I suppose to put in certain content to make it "okay"?

Thanks, Inferno363 (talk) 11:15, 19 March 2008 (UTC)Andrew

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Help:Starting a new page. You might also look at Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation.--Kerotan ^{Leave Me a Message} Have a nice day :) 11:28, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

You mention other teams having Wikipedia articles. Take a look at those pages to see what they have, how they establish the team's notability, the encyclopedic tone and neutral point of view, and so on. I notice you have already made a start at Fatal Kill, but it might be beneficial to instead start off developing the article on a subpage of your user page. If you are unsure how to do this, my own user page has a "sandbox" subpage, so take a look there to see what I did. Astronaut (talk) 11:58, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Also see Wikipedia:Other stuff exists. --Teratornis (talk) 15:19, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Look at this deletion log. The edit summaries give the reasons why the page was deleted. The last time, it was because the page was almost empty. Other times, it did not assert notability. The article would have to say why that team is important enough to have a Wikipedia article about it. (For example, an article might start with something like "... is an internationally-recognized ..." or "... which has won international tournaments..." or "... is the only ..." or "... was the first..." or something.) Wikipedia doesn't have articles about everything.

If the team is not important enough to have an article, maybe it could still be a section of another page in some logical way, such as a section of a page about the game, or possibly the articles for the other teams could be merged into one big article with sections about different teams.

If you like, you can create the article in your userspace first and ask me (and/or others) to look at it. For example, call it User:Inferno363/Fatal Kill. Then it won't be part of the encyclopedia yet and probably won't be deleted from there. After you improve it for a while, then you can move it into the mainspace (encyclopedia) section. However, if the team isn't very important or doesn't have enough material published about it and stuff, the article may still be deleted anyway. It helps if you can find references, e.g. newspaper articles or any other publications that talk about the team. --Coppertwig (talk) 17:05, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

As to why your article got deleted and other ones are still there, see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Articles avoid deletion either because (a) they actually conform to policy, or (b) they slipped under the radar. If (a), then you need to bring your article up to an equally non-deletable standard, as explained above, but if (b), then you may want to consider putting the other article through the deletion process. Confusing Manifestation(Say hi!) 22:13, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] i need answer soon as possible...

i need answer of the following question

GENERAL KNOWLEDGE

1. Name the current football champion? 2. who invented telescope? 3. which is the longest snake? 4. what does SUPARCO stand for?? 5. who discovered radium? 6. when did Pakistan conduct its first nuclear test?? 7. which is the biggest desert? 8. who were the first people to reach the top of the Mt. Everest? 9. name the oldest cloned animal? 10. who discovered Australia 11. who wrote Hunchback of Notre Dame?

Science

1. how are objects and materials recognized? 2. what is the melting point of iron? 3. which material is used for making lubricants? 4. what is the name of the process in which a solid directly changes into a gas? 5. what is the name given to the hard skin on the outside of an invertebrate? 6. which chemical is used for coating the photographic films? 7. how many sea birds were killed by an oil spill from a tanker off Alaska in 1989? 8. which chemical is added into vinegar to make an artificial volcano explode? 9. who was Fredrick Mohs? 10. when was first plastic made? 11. when did Heath hens become extinct? 12. what causes iron to rust? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Umairsv (talk • contribs) 13:30, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

These questions should be asked at The Reference Desk (see top of this page for the link) rather than the help desk, which is for Wikipedia-related questions only. Thankyou, Lra drama 13:34, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Also most of these questions can be answered with simple searches, either in Wikipedia or in Google. Bovlb (talk) 14:52, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Deleted Work

I added some information to here - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_alphabet My work was factual and my own but someone has deleted it can you tell me why it was deleted?

Username: ibizara

Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.75.6.134 (talk) 14:50, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

I am not able to determine why the edits were removed based on the edit summaries. My guess would be since the information you added seems to already be in the article. However I would suggest you ask on the talk page of the article or on the talk page for the editor who removed your contributions, User talk:CBMIBM. Gtstricky^{Talk or C} 15:16, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

The additions were removed in this diff as redundant. -- Kesh (talk) 18:08, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] new article

i managed to register, however, when i goto upload my new article, it says i've made a typo, tho i have not. whereas the browse line mentions formats my txt file document is not in, just image formats etc. so isnt there a page which can upload my word document, or allow its contents to be pasted in an then uploaded? my word document is formated in basic text but with links to refeerences in. Yours Faithfully - VLC —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.115.41.40 (talk) 15:41, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

No, there isn't. Text must be put in as simple text, unformatted. --Orange Mike | Talk 15:45, 19 March 2008 (UTC) (and please remember to sign in, and to sign your posts of this sort)

thanks, however, i seem to get an error where the page says i havent inserted anything, tho theres no instruction 'how to'. 212.115.41.40 (talk) 16:09, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Did you copy raw text, put the cursor in the edit box, and paste? There is no "upload" involved for text! --Orange Mike | Talk 16:16, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Just search for the article in question and if it does not exist, you should be taken to a page that indicates that, decorated with a large empty white box with headers that indicate you may create the article. Simply cut and paste your text into that space and click save (or preview if you want to make sure it looks right). Before going live though, most users like to use the WP:SANDBOX to become familiar with the formatting issues. This might help: your first article. Wisdom89 _{(_T / ^C)} 16:18, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Creating a Wikipedia Page

Hey, I'm just making up a wikipedia page for the band The Tom Fun Orchestra and I'm wondering a few things.. . .

```I was wondering how to put an artist section in it just like (Slowcoaster) has in their page.

I'd also like to know how to turn text into links for a website. Sorry if these questions are too generic or could have been answered in the FAQ's I was searching it and couldn't find the information I needed

Thanks so much

-Evan —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tom fun orchestra (talk • contribs) 15:46, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

This link will aid you I believe WP:ARTICLE and your first article. Wisdom89 _{(_T / ^C)} 16:20, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

As for turning text into links, try here external links. Wisdom89 _{(_T / ^C)} 16:21, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean by the artist section: do you mean the box with a picture and list of information? That's called a template. See Template:Infobox musical artist. If you click "edit" on the Slowcoaster page, not to change it but just to look, you'll see a part that begins {{Infobox musical artist and ends }}. That's what makes that box. You can copy and paste the part in the "code" section at Template:Infobox musical artist into the article you're creating, and fill in some of the information. You can look for a picture of the artist at Wikimedia Commons, and if you find one, just put the name of the image after img= in the infobox and it will display.

To make a link to another Wikipedia page, just put double square brackets around the words, [[like this]]. For a link to a page somewhere else on the web, use single square brackets around the URL (web address), like this: [http://www.webpage.org] or to make it display as some text, just put a single blank space after the URL, then the text you want to display, inside the square brackets. [http://www.webpage.org some text] Note that this format only works for the single square brackets.

No problem, that's what we're here for. It can be hard sometimes to find information in all the many help pages and things. --Coppertwig (talk) 16:50, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Blacklist removal

Hello

I have been blacklisted and I don't know why or how to remove it. Can you please help me?

Thanks!

Borboleta95 Borboleta95 (talk) 19:05, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

You were able to insert your note here. Maybe you tried to edit a protected or partly protected article? Wanderer57 (talk) 19:10, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

I don't understand what you mean by "blacklisted". Could you explain? Do you mean your account was blocked? How do you know you were blacklisted? --Coppertwig (talk) 19:15, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Do you mean you were blocked by the spam filter trying to save a page which contained a blacklisted URL? Stwalkerster [ talk ] 19:27, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Special:Version shows Wikipedia is running several extensions with "blacklist" in their names:

The questioner might have seen a message from one of those and interpreted it as a blacklist against the user. It would be nice if a log existed of the messages shown to a user, since few new users would realize the importance of taking notes so as to ask an understandable question later. --Teratornis (talk) 20:36, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Number of articles created

I'm sure I came across a tool which listed the number of articles each user had created (rather than just counting edits), but I can't find it again. Anybody able to help? Mr_pand 19:18, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

This tool counts and lists pages created. For future reference, WP:WPEC is the place to look for this stuff. Algebraist 19:44, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

You also might want to bookmark these links or add them to your user page:

Wikipedia:Editor's index to Wikipedia (shortcut: WP:EIW)
{{Google help desk}}
{{Google custom}}
{{Google wikipedia}}

The last three links are templates that generate search links, but each template's page shows examples with links you can use to search Wikipedia or parts thereof. For example, we can search the Help desk for: tool number articles created, which finds a couple of promising results among the first several. --Teratornis (talk) 20:27, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Making additions to articles

Hello,

I posted a theory about vampirism on the vampires talk page, but I can't find a way of doing that on the main article's page. Are we not meant to add to that, and are the talk pages the only areas we can edit?

Melissa.

DanceofIllusions maj (talk) 20:46, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

The Vampire article displays a little image of a padlock in the upper right corner (which comes from the {{pp-semi-protected}} template in the article). That means the article is semi-protected, so you have to wait until your account is five days old before you can edit the article. --Teratornis (talk) 20:53, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Be aware that your contributions at Talk:Vampire#Non-Undead Vampire Analogy appear to lack reliable sources and may constitute original research. --Teratornis (talk) 20:56, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

(edit conflict, agreeing with Teratornis) Vampire is currently semi-protected from editing - editors without an account and editors with accounts that are less than 4 days old cannot edit the article at present, due to persistent problems with vandalism. Having read your talk page comment, I'd also point you in the direction of the Wikipedia prohibition on original research and the need for additions to articles to have reliable sources. Making controversial, unsupported changes to articles such as that one could lead to upset. Regards, Bencherlite ^Talk 20:58, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

(We also have so many people trying to help you that we give each other edit conflicts.) Wikipedia has complex policies and guidelines that control what we can add to articles here. Please read WP:NOT to get an idea of the things we aren't supposed to do here. There are many other wikis besides Wikipedia that you may also find interesting, and almost all of them have content policies that differ in some way from ours. That's something to keep in mind if you find Wikipedia's policies too restrictive. But it's worth the effort to figure out how to contribute to Wikipedia because this is the world's most popular wiki with the largest user community, and lots of interesting stuff happens here. Plus we have a Help desk where you can actually get help; not all wikis have such good support. Heck, hardly any corporations have such good support. --Teratornis (talk) 21:03, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Question about diff

I was checking a page on my watchlist and got this diff. Does anyone else get it? Spencer^T♦^C 21:08, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't understand what your question is. Ged UK (talk) 21:11, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

If you mean it doesn't look like anything changed, that usually happens when someone removes extra Return spaces from an article. Like if someone hit enter too many times between lines, and another editor removes the extra blank lines, you'll get a diff that looks like that. -- Kesh (talk) 21:14, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

(e/c)wikEdDiff is a useful script which highlights the changes between diffs (in this case, it seems to be an extra space added in 3 places). --Kateshort forbob 21:25, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Edit count

What tool is used to be able to count the amount of edits an editor has done?--Doug ^talk 21:19, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

You can find it in your 'my preferences' link. Also, a few questions up from here there's links to other useful tools. Ged UK (talk) 21:22, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Right now the most popular one is Interiot's edit count tool.Mac Davis (talk) 21:59, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

For more information on edit counters, including a list of all available edit counters, go here: WikiProject edit counters. -- PB54 04:50, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Attention Editors of Wikipedia

Hi, I am doing a research paper, and I was wondering if anyone who is an editor on Wikipedia would like to comment on how they would like to see Wikipedia possibly changed or modified in order to not kill individual voices. The specific question that I am trying to research and get opinions on is, How can online colletive sites such as Wikipedia be modified in order not to kill the voice of the individual authors? I also related this question to credibility. So anyone out there who would like to offer their opinions and thoughts, that would be great. thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.86.161.66 (talk) 22:23, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

"individual voices"...Sounds like original research/Unverified claims to me, on wikipedia its dead important that information in the articles is verifiable, its like scientific research, if someone proposed that Apples actually floated when dropped from a certain height, when that person is asked how can that be, if he said "I just know it to be true, he would be laughed at by the scientific community at large for not being scientific, be not providing empirically justifiable evidence of said theory. Its similar on wikipedia, if someone for example if a person said that person X was a homosexual, would you believe it to be true solely based on that persons word? Of course not. So the idea of individual voices of users on wikipedia is muddle-headed concept, and this just leads to article ownership. There are no individual voices on wikipedia, only information, backed up by sources, sources which are found by contributors. The main article space of Wikipedia is not the place for opinion, and never will be.(Just to clarify, the above comments regard about the mainspace of wikipedia only, that is the articles themselves, the rest of wikipedia, i.e. the coordination end of the stick, its only natural that there is discussion about how articles should be and how wikipedia is run, its the nature of the beast, so in regard to that, I don't think the individual voices of contributors are killed off. A perhaps somewhat naive belief of mine is that, wikipedia is one of the most egalitarian institutions on the face of the earth.)--Kerotan ^{Leave Me a Message} Have a nice day :) 22:40, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Part of the entire purpose of this project is to create a collective document, without pride of ownership. Look at the bottom of every edit window on Wikipedia. "Please note: If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly or redistributed for profit by others, do not submit it." "Owning an article" is a violation of our behavioral standards. This is not a venue for the egotist, for the individual voice; there are plenty of those strewn across the Internet like bastard stepchildren of Ayn Rand. This is a venue for collaboration, for consensus, for working together (including individualists and cooperativists working together, incidentally, despite my little swing at the toxic creature up there). --Orange Mike | Talk 23:02, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

I think Wikipedia is in a more or less constant state of tension between people who want to use Wikipedia to express their own views, and those, like Kerotan and Orange Mike above, who realize that this is not possible if Wikipedia is to be a trusted source of information. There is still plenty of opportunity for individual initiative and for taking pride in one's work, for example, by taking an article and working on it to improve its quality or completeness, to locate better references, or to improve the wording. Wanderer57 (talk) 23:33, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

I see Wikipedia as in a more or less constant state of tension between inclusionists and deletionists, amateurists and professionalists. A lot of people want to have less articles of very professional quality, and a lot of people believe in the philosophy of making readily available all knowledge. Mac Davis (talk) 01:55, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

(undent) There are many other wikis with different content policies. For example, WikInfo allows for signed articles by identifiable authors. People who want to express their "individual voices" have many options outside Wikipedia. Many of those people come to Wikipedia, because Wikipedia happens to be the world's most popular wiki. But Wikipedia has become the world's most popular wiki because of its content policies. There is some irony in coming to Wikipedia because of the way it is, and then trying to change it into something else. If other ways of organizing a wiki led to similar success, some of the other wikis out there would be as successful as Wikipedia has become. After all, if someone knows a better way to organize a wiki, it's easy enough to start a wiki and allow its superior organization to win a following. This does not mean Wikipedia in its current form cannot possibly improve - Wikipedia continuously improves, so we know it's not perfect yet - but it does mean that suggestions for improving Wikipedia have to be very well thought out, taking into account all the benefits of whatever existing policies or guidelines or features a would-be reformer wants to reform. I.e., before we can realistically hope to improve Wikipedia, we have to understand Wikipedia very well. --Teratornis (talk) 18:24, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

You mention that you are "doing a research paper." You did not say on what. If you are researching Wikipedia itself, see the links under WP:EIW#Community. --Teratornis (talk) 18:30, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

I might add that Jimmy Wales is an objectivist (i.e., he has been influenced by Ayn Rand). He believes that an objective reality exists, and the operation of Wikipedia reflects this belief. If an objective reality exists, that is, if propositions such as:

"The population of the United States is more than three hundred million people"

can really be objectively true (or false), and not a matter of subjective opinion, and if humans are capable of converging on accurate representations of objective reality in some instances, then for those instances "individual voices" are irrelevant. See also Critical thinking (people who really know how to think critically will draw the same conclusions from the same evidence), Appeal to authority (statements do not become more true solely on the authoritative reputation of a speaker), and Argumentum ad hominem (statements do not become less true solely on the scandalous reputation of a speaker). But simply as a practical matter, Wikipedia seeks to avoid content disputes through its core policies of WP:NPOV and WP:RS. Wikipedia does not make the truth, but instead truthfully reports what other people have reliably published. See also Scientific method - scientists generally do not murder each other over disagreements (as in a Religious war), because the scientific method gives scientists a procedure for resolving any scientific disagreement. We have analogous procedures on Wikipedia. --Teratornis (talk) 18:49, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Moving (Renaming)

How do you rename an image, I don't see any "move" tab? NanohaA'sYuri^{Talk, My master} 23:32, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Images and categories can't be moved to other pages for technical reasons. To rename the image, you'll need to re-upload it under the new name, fix all the links to the image, and then mark the old image with {{redundant image|Old name.jpg}}. Make sure the image you upload is of the same file format and of the same (or larger) size. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 23:41, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Spelling anomaly

For some strange reason, when I originally created the article What a Friend We Have in Jesus, I wrote the author's name as Joseph M. Scriven, but then this was later changed to Joseph M. Scriven, but I cannot find any difference between the two, yet one links to the article, and the other does not. I've been trying to figure out what is going on, but I'm stumped. I'll even show that they are identical:

Joseph M. Scriven
Joseph M. Scriven

--十八 23:50, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Your original version has soft hyphens (code 173) between the syllables. —teb728 t c 23:57, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

This answer raises another question for me. Since the system is dependent on non-visible characters, is it "dangerous" to create material in a word processor such as Microsoft Word and paste it into Wikipedia? Wanderer57 (talk) 02:06, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes it is. This is implementation depedant and depends on your browser and operating system also.--155.144.251.120 (talk) 03:54, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Ayuda

I'm sorry for my english level, it's not a high leve, that's the reason that i need someone to help me in spanish. I'm working in Asturian Wikipedia (Uiquipedia n'asturianu), and I would like to know how steps I must follow to edit the buttons in the box edition. Siento no poder hablar inglés, mi nivel no es suficientemente alto; por eso necesito alguien que me ayude pero en castellano. Estoy trabajando en la Wikipedia en Asturiano http://ast.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portada y me gustaría saber qué pasos hay que seguir para editar los botones en la caja de edición (los que están al lado de "negrita" "cursiva"... "firmar", etc) Gracias y un saludo. Better if you answer me in my User talk page, thanks --Asturies (talk) 23:55, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

I'll reply here and on your talk page, to help other editors. Sorry if this isn't clear, I'm using Google to translate, as I'm not a Spanish speaker. You can use a script to modify the buttons in your edit bar. Try copying the code from User:Minesweeper.007/extraeditbuttons.js to your monobook.js page on the Austrian Wikipedia. That should get you started, but for more help you can try asking at the tech village pump.

Voy a contestar aquí y en su página de discusión, para ayudar a los otros editores. Lo siento si esto no es claro, estoy usando Google para traducir, ya que no soy un orador español. Puede utilizar una secuencia de comandos para modificar los botones en su barra de edición. Prueba a copiar el código de User:Minesweeper.007/extraeditbuttons.js a tu monobook.js página de la Wikipedia austríaco. Esto debería ir empezando, pero por más ayuda puede intentar preguntar en la tecnología de la bomba de la aldea. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 00:12, 20 March 2008 (UTC)