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[edit] January 3

[edit] Personal database

How do you create your own personal list of articles you're interested in and want to retrieve quickly? It's like bookmarking a page, but the link isn't saved on a specific computer but on the internet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bartvannuffel (talk • contribs) 00:01, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Help:Watching pages may be of interest. The watchlist also has a link to display all watched pages. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:22, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

You can create a list on your own userpage. You should have a link to it at the top of the page when you are logged on, but if not follow this one: Bartvannuffel.

To edit your page, click the "edit this page" tab. To create a link to an article, write the article name between two square brackets like this: [[Dinosaurs]] which will get you this: Dinosaurs. Voila

When you post to the help desk, or any talk page, you should always sign with four tildes like this ~~~~ by the way. This will create a signature like mine below;

Spinningspark (talk) 00:32, 3 January 2008 (UTC)


[edit] "Born in" such and such a place . . .

What is the policy or guideline on the inclusion of a "Born in" section in articles about cities? I refer you Inglewood,_California#Born_in_Inglewood. Sincerely, GeorgeLouis (talk) 00:29, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

There are different opinions. See Wikipedia:WikiProject Cities/Guideline#Notable natives and residents, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cities/Archive 6#Proposal to delete "Notable natives", Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cities/Guideline#Questions about these lists of notable people that live in town X. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:52, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] info needed for the crazy wiki editor

can the crazy wiki editor insert downloadable virus-free audio clips into articles? —Preceding unsigned comment added by The Crazy Wiki Editor (talk • contribs) 00:36, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi there! Downloadable, no, but they can be played inside the article, like the one at Bloop. See Wikipedia:Media help for complete tips on media. Cheers, Master of Puppets Call me MoP! 00:57, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for the politesse

Kudos to the people answering the questions here. Generally the responses are quite respectful to the questioner. Sincerely, GeorgeLouis (talk) 00:53, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

As sometimes one of those people, I thank you. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 03:19, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
Likewise, thank you. I try to assume that even a question that is in the wrong place, with atrocious spelling and grammar, and more full of logical holes than logical Swiss cheese, is written by someone who, if treated courteously, could become a great contributor here. Confusing Manifestation(Say hi!) 05:40, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Using the IUCN Red List

Hello, I've been struggling for half an hour with the Red List home page[1] trying to decide whether or not Prosthechea cochleata var. triandra is endangered, since it concerns the article I have just created concerning that subject. Could anyone who is familiar with that website (since I understand Wikipedia relies mostly on it for endangered species classification) help me search or search and tell me what they consider it (Least Concern, Vulnerable, etc.)? --♦♦♦Vlmastra♦♦♦ (talk) 00:11, 3 January 2008 (UTC) Edit: Let me be more specific: My message was:

No results were found for the criteria you specified:

  • Text search: Prosthechea cochleata var. triandra
  • Modifier: Exact phrase
  • Search in: Whole database
  • Results type: Standard
  • Taxa: Species

If these are correct, then the species you are searching for may not be in the database.

I changed the database, taxa, modifier, etc. extensively, to no avail. Taxa should be listed whether or not endangered (and in that case as Least Concern) so I don't think this means it isn't endangered, and since P. cochleata var. triandra has been considered endangered elsewhere I imagine it has been reviewed by the IUCN. I would like to use this source, so any help will be appreciated. I assume that I am not searching correctly because common genera such as Cattleya and Paphiopedilum were similarly unlisted, and I know for a fact that Paphiopedilum rothschildianum is endangered. --♦♦♦Vlmastra♦♦♦ (talk) 00:28, 3 January 2008 (UTC) NOTE: I cross-posted this at the reference desk, since I was unsure which would be better.--♦♦♦Vlmastra♦♦♦ (talk) 00:59, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi. Thanks for asking at the help desk; however, you'd probably have more success at the reference desk, which is for more specific knowledge-related questions. The Help Desk is only for questions on how to use Wikipedia; i.e. how to format articles or do technical things. You can find the reference desk here; Wikipedia:Reference desk. Good luck, and I hope that helps! Master of Puppets Call me MoP! 01:02, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
Ah, you added your note about the reference desk while I was adding this, it seems. Yes, the reference desk would be a better choice per the reasons in my above response. Cheers, Master of Puppets Call me MoP! 01:04, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] IAST diacriticals and font display problem

On, for instance, the samsara (Buddhism) page, certain words marked as IAST (like this: Saṃsāra) display in a different font on Firefox. On IE, it seems to display correctly; Opera seems to substitute the ṃ; so does Safari. Why should this happen? What is the need for adding the IAST tag? The word Saṃsāra displays correctly without any such tag. Thanks. Devadaru (talk) 03:14, 3 January 2008 (UTC) correction: IE seems to substitute the ṃ, while Opera and Safari seem to display correctly. Devadaru (talk) 03:20, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] how many people are in the world

how many people in the world —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.125.5.166 (talk) 03:59, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

See World population. Note that this page is the Help desk for learning how to use Wikipedia, and factual questions such as yours should be asked at the appropriate Reference desk. Confusing Manifestation(Say hi!) 05:25, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Question

What happened to when IP addresses could create pages? 58.168.147.119 (talk) 04:23, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

One of the resolutions from the Seigenthaler controversy in 2005 was to disable anonymous* page creation as an experiment, to see if this would aid in cutting back the number of pages that got created, and hence making it easier to patrol them. It was also hoped that this would cut back on the number of articles that would need to be deleted, since theoretically at least some proportion of people would be discouraged from creating a vandalism article due to the extra step of bureaucracy.
In October 2007, it was proposed that anonymous page creation be re-enabled, which provoked a large number of different reactions (most of the discussion took place in one of three places - the wikipedia-en mailing list, the Village pump, and this RFC). In response, the developers stated that it would be re-enabled only if there were a clear consensus to do so, something which there definitely wasn't, and most likely will not be.
If you want to create an article, there are now two main avenues: (1) Create an account, or (2) Submit your article to WP:Articles for creation. (1) is most certainly the preferred option (and gives you other benefits as well).

* Of course, while by anonymous I mean IP addresses, even though a username technically grants more privacy in many ways. Confusing Manifestation(Say hi!) 05:37, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Please help me post an addition to missing persons for 2007

Hi I am having dificulty adding my fiance to the persons missing list. Every time I put it up it vannishes.

this is what I have been trying to add...

Jarrett Lee Burton a 58-year-old man was last seen about 7:30 p.m. 04/04/07 when he walked away from his driveway in the 1400 block of Seidersville Road in Salisbury Twp. Jarrett Lee Burton is a black man, who stands about 6 feet tall and weighs about 190 pounds. When last seen, he was wearing beige dress pants, light-colored dress shirt and glasses. He has silvery-gray hair, brown eyes and a freckle on his nose. Anyone who sees Jarrett Lee Burton is asked to call Salisbury police at 610-797-1447

I would like to add links to the national center for missing persons but do not know how but do have the link this is it...

http://www.theyaremissed.org/ncma/gallery/ncmaprofile_all.php?A200705256S


Thank you, Jean-Christine —Preceding unsigned comment added by EstroJean (talk • contribs) 04:32, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi Jean. The reason your addition keeps disappearing is because the Wikipedia article List of people who have disappeared is for notable disappearances, and, sadly, a case like Mr Burton's is far from notable when it comes to disappearances - hundreds of similar disappearances occur every year, all over the world. So when you add the text, someone else is reverting your addition. Confusing Manifestation(Say hi!) 05:23, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
Yes, User:Vidor reverted and added the explanation "(not notable; lacks own Wikipedia article)." If you disagree, you should go to the Discussion Page for that article and explain why. Sincerely (and with great respect for your search), GeorgeLouis (talk) 08:14, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
I'd add that Wikipedia is probably not the best place to alert people to Jarrett's disappearance as the article is not going to be read by the right people at all, certainly not by many people who live in Salisbury. Simply targeting the local area with flyers with a photo will be far more effective. • Anakin (contribs • complaints) 12:48, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

I thank you for your reply. I am not so sure he is not a notable figure. He is a reasearch scientist and has done much good work. I have been puting up flyers all over the area and even faxed them to local and not so local hospitals I just want to let as many folks know he is missing so that it makes finding him slightly more likely I will research the notability link you mentioned and again THANK YOU for your reply, Jean-Christine —Preceding unsigned comment added by EstroJean (talk • contribs) 19:11, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] I messed up a little while contributing an edit - please help me fix it

I just contributed my first edit -- adding a fact (and citation) to the article on "Dudly Field Malone." Obviously I missed something in the "how to edit" department, since when I inserted my reference, it had the effect of moving the next sentence of previously-existing text into my reference/footnote, followed by the reference for that sentence. My bad. can you help me fix this and restore proper formatting? Thanks. --Peter Goldberger, Ardmore, PA <peter.goldberger>(not yet a registered user) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.110.174.130 (talk) 04:35, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

You forgot to close the reference tag ("</ref>"). I tried to find a case-cite template since the one you chose doesn't exist; I'll keep looking. For now, just use a plain-text cite. -- RattleMan 05:15, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] CHINA;Yunchen, China. Need City Map

Locating the North gate at Yunchen, China, from a map and/or a graphic to show grave sites. On april 14, 1945, Lt.Ernest W Gardner, jr.,A US Army Air Force Pilot was shot down 5 milses south of Taiku, China near the South Highway of Mats'un, six miles North of Yunchen , Lt. Gardner was buried outside the North Gate of Yuncheng City, Shansi, Province, and the grave marked with a wooden plaque. Needed, a city map to define where the North gate is located, and a photograph if possible of the graves in a possible Burial Ground. Thanks for any information from anyone. Barbzz —Preceding unsigned comment added by Barbzz (talk • contribs) 05:27, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Have you tried the miscellaneous section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia. For your convenience, here is the link to post a question there: click here. I hope this helps.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 11:29, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] FAC

If an article is already good enough for WP:FAC, can it skip WP:GAN? Lex T/C Guest Book 06:38, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes. –thedemonhog talk • edits 06:47, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
Good articles and featured articles are quite separate processes and a listing at good article nominations is not normally a prerequisite before taking an article to WP:FAC. Most articles that go to good article nominations do so because for various reasons they can't or are unlikely to ever achieve featured articles status. What is a good idea is to take an article to peer review review before listing it at WP:FAC.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 11:26, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
Well I am a member of WP:PW, and I believe an article I wrote (New Year's Revolution (2007)) is good enough for WP:FAC. It has already had a peer review, and Ithought I had to nominate it at WP:GAN. But thanks; now I will nominate it directly at FAC. Lex T/C Guest Book 18:19, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] ok to copy website text?

Hi, is it ok to copy web site text if it is in the public domain? just checkin :D Stupid2 (talk) 06:39, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

If it is truly in the public domain, yes. But it should be placed inside of quotation marks and credited as to source; otherwise, it is just plagiarism. Even a paraphrase should be credited. Still, one has to ask: "How do you know it is in the public domain? There's plenty on the Web that is just plain stealing." Sincerely, GeorgeLouis (talk) 08:01, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
The best response I can give to that is no, even if it appears public domain text. 1) It keeps you the contributor and the Wikipedia project on the legal safe side, in case the text turns out not to be PD (and thus a copyright violation), and 2) it's always better if you rewrite the text in your own words. Mr Senseless (talk) 19:13, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] monobook.css

Can someone give me a link to my page of this? Ive been looking every wwere for it. P.S pleasae respond on my talk page as ill most likely forget. BonesBrigade 07:50, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

User:BonesBrigade/monobook.css.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 11:16, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] dams

dams are very important can some one tell me name of all pakistan dams —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.103.11.246 (talk) 08:16, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Try here - Carbon [Nyan?] 09:03, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Can't create new page

I did a search for "Orbisoft" and it came back with 0 pages that matched that title. However I can't see on the search results pages anywhere with the mentioned link "Create this page" which I am trying to do.

MarkBrownlee (talk) 08:44, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Its' the red link at the top where it says You searched for Orbisoft [Index]. KTC (talk) 10:20, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
You should also see just below the search box the text "No page with that title exists." followed by a bulleted list. The last bulleted item should say: "• Create the page including your references."--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 11:10, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
You only get that part by clicking "Go" below the search box. This may have been changed recently. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:30, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Why Deleted, I dont understand

Hi, I spent 2 hours researching links and info, to submit an article on a known uk model and it got deleted within like an hour of me savig it, saying "no relevance etc"

So what does this mean, that this person is not important enough to be submitted? If so, then why is it that various other UK and International models are featured on Wikipedia? I would like to know "what makes someone relevant" ???

Can someone let me know please, also how do I contact the editor that delted it (I have their ID). Can pages be retreived? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Creativeenterprises (talk • contribs) 11:52, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

some articles have photos of the subject to the right of the page, in a kind of table with stats etc, how do I get that on my articles?

The only option we seem to get is imputting text and formatting.

I would be grateful if someone could explain simply how I can create this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Creativeenterprises (talk • contribs) 11:56, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

The article was Saffron Taylor. It was deleted with reference to Wikipedia:CSD#A7 but I see you have found and contacted the deleting administrator, so I will just give a couple of standard links for now: Wikipedia:Why was my page deleted?, Wikipedia:Notability (people). PrimeHunter (talk) 12:23, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] uploaded images

how do I delete images that i have uploaded? They have not been added to any pages. user name: Clara Hoskins —Preceding unsigned comment added by Clara Hoskins (talk • contribs) 13:59, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Only admins can delete pages, but adding the tag {{db-author}} to a page (including images) that only you have edited will cause an admin to delete it. Algebraist 14:19, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Homepage

Can I make Wikipedia as my desktop homepage? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.12.157.0 (talk) 14:15, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes. You will need to open your browser settings. In there somewhere should be a option to change your home page. If you tell me your browser (Internet Expler/Firefox ect) I can give you more specific instructions. Tiddly-Tom 15:16, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Start, Control panel, internet options, in the home page box type http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page.  Sunderland06  15:40, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

The above is for Internet Explorer only. For Firefox, go to Tools->Options...->Main. Enter the above address in the box and make sure you click OK. Hersfold (t/a/c) 18:57, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] This week's Signpost

Where is this week's Wikipedia Signpost?! Two weeks ago you said that this week's Wikipedia Signpost would be posted on Wednesday because of the holiday. Today is Thursday, and it STILL isn't up yet!4.156.174.46 (talk) 14:40, 3 January 2008 (UTC) It just came out now. Never mind.4.156.174.46 (talk) 14:45, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Glad you found it. In the future, questions about the signpost would best be posted here. Enjoy the new issue! Hersfold (t/a/c) 18:59, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Music

Hello. If possible, how can I type music like how I can type math in LaTeX? Thanks in advance. --Mayfare (talk) 16:19, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Not possible at the moment, unfortunately. There's code do to that written somewhere, but it isn't installed on Wikipedia, and it can take developers a long time to check code to verify that it's safe for use on a website this large before installing it. --ais523 18:35, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
See also Wikipedia:Manual of Style (music). For more advanced things, I think you need to create an image with an external program like LilyPond. But this should probably be done rarely. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:46, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
The easiest way would be to create an image with either a music editor program Sibelius Cakewalk etc. You could also use photoshop if you were handy at it. Keep in mind though that when a song is copyrighted, so is any depiction of it in visual form (sheet music), so such an image would NOT be free and would need a fair-use justification.--Oni Ookami AlfadorTalk|@ 22:21, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Image problem

Image:Dunkerque dot.png seems to have a broken thumbnail, only a small part of the map shows. I tried to purge it but it did not work. Does anyone know how to fix this? Arthena(talk) 17:00, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

I think the image is damaged; someone will need to upload a new version to fix this. Pyrospirit (talk · contribs) 17:44, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
It seems someone fixed the problem - there was a non-broken version of the image on Commons. Unfortunately its not a general solution, but it will work for this image. Arthena(talk) 20:20, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Article Query

Hi,

I was Hi. I go on Wikipedia frequently and I was wondering if it is allowed or considered as spam if I create an Article for Wikipedia about one of the fanfictions I am writing. I know people who would benefit greatly from it, as they find the fanfiction in question far too complicated. I knew instantly that creating an article on Wikipedia would be the easiest and most effective solution, however I was worried whether it was considered as spam.

Thank You. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.195.176.143 (talk) 17:13, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

I'd strongly advise against creating an article on this topic. A fan-fiction, unless it's received significant attention or notice from reliable, independent sources, is almost certainly not notable, and would probably be deleted very quickly. Also, since you're the author of it, you have a clear conflict of interest with regards to the topic, which would result in the article almost certainly having neutrality issues. If the fan-fiction ever becomes notable enough for inclusion in Wikipedia, someone unrelated to its creation will probably create the article; until then, you probably shouldn't write an article for it. Pyrospirit (talk · contribs) 17:43, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
(ec)Thank you for taking the time to find this out first rather than just going ahead and seeing if your article is deleted. The primary criterion for inclusion of topics in Wikipedia is the general notability guideline, which in essence requires that the topic be the subject of significant coverage in secondary sources, such as the print media. If your fanfiction does not fulfill this requirement, then there may be a Wikia wiki which would be an appropriate place for it. Algebraist 17:45, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] redirections

is it possible somehow that i (registered member) can redirect pages by myself? i mean, there are lots and lots of hard to pronounce (or should i say type) names out there. so many that i have forgotten how many of them. like say, kumquats or johan djourou (almost always typoed as johan djorou and many more. if you don't know how to type the thing, shouldn't we help "you" rather than challenging "you" to find the right spellings elsewhere, then search it here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Damaster-rapper (talk • contribs) 18:10, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

All registered users can create redirects. See Wikipedia:Redirect and Category:Redirects from misspellings. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:22, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
Keep in mind that you don't have to redirect every mispelling of a name you can think of. Generally you should only redirect a name if you think people will attempt that name with some relative frequency. We kindof have a problem with wikipedia search (not as bad as it used to be though) showing 3 or 4 redirects to an article above the article itself, when it is searched for even with the correct spelling because there are so many floating out there.--Oni Ookami AlfadorTalk|@ 22:18, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] how to be in search results

I want to know how I can get my page to come up when entered in search? I'm trying to get an article about Susan Oliver (a different one from the one which currently comes up) Thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by Saoms (talk • contribs) 18:31, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunately, the search function can only provide articles that actually exist on the English Wikipedia. Unless you are referring to your own userpage, on which you have placed information about the singer Susan Oliver, then Wikipedia does not yet have an article on this person. You are of course free to request that such a page be created, or wait a few (4?) days and make it yourself. Algebraist 19:13, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
Newly registered users can create articles right away. The 4 day waiting period is for moving pages and edit semi-protected pages. If she satisfies Wikipedia:Notability (music) (which is uncertain) then an article could be created at Susan Oliver (musician) per Wikipedia:Disambiguation. The user page at User:Saoms is not part of the encyclopedia and is not searched by default. When Wikipedia search indexes it (hasn't happened yet), it can be searched by first clicking "search", and then "User" at the bottom. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:53, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] I'm having issues with an article

Hello there. I've been working on Iowa Democratic caucuses, 2008. There was a picture and a few sections below the "Poll" section that disappeared. Can someone please take a look at it and fix it?

Also, I would appreciate it if some people would come over and help edit the article. The caucus is this evening, and the article is far from ready for presenting the results. Any help would be greatly appreciated.--Dem393 (talk) 18:36, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

I replaced back the image. You can easily find such material yourself by going to the article's page history and clicking on prior dates to find a prior version of the article that contained the image; when you find such a prior version, go into edit mode to find the image's placement markup. Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 18:46, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for fixing that, but there are other sections that don't show up on the article page. Why does that happen? (External links, categories, etc.)--Dem393 (talk) 18:51, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

PS you'll see what I'm talking about if you scroll down to the bottom of the editing page.--Dem393 (talk) 19:03, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Fixed. It was what I'm coming to believe is the most common way to completely (and almost invisibly) screw up an article: a missing / in a ref tag. Algebraist 19:07, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the help!--Dem393 (talk) 19:26, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] How can I get articles from your site?

How can I get articles from your site? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.94.57.34 (talk) 18:38, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Um, I'm not sure what you mean by "get".
Difficult to be more helpful without knowing what you mean. • Anakin (contribs • complaints) 19:26, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
Other things the question might refer to:
--Teratornis (talk) 23:34, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Adding a page

I searched for FatWire and it came up with two references but I wnated to add a page about FatWire. Since I didn't get a button that allowed me to start a new page, how do I do that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikiminder (talk • contribs) 19:57, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Put FatWire in the search box on the right and manually click "Go". It should ask you if you want to create the page. First though, please review WP:NAME WP:V and WP:N to make sure that is the proper naming convention to use and that the article will meet the notability critiera. Is also important. This may save you a lot of effort as if this topic does not meet those criteria it will likely be deleted or moved.--Oni Ookami AlfadorTalk|@ 21:03, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] collapsible boxes

Is there any parameter that can be added or template included to make boxes (similar to the one below) collapsible without having to use the {{navbox}} template?

{|align="left" style="text-align: right; font-size: 95%;background-color: lightblue;" |- |[[Image:Koebel.jpg|50px|right]]'''This page has a fever, and the only prescription, is [[more cowbell]].''' |- |You can help by [{{SERVER}}{{localurl:{{NAMESPACE}}:{{PAGENAME}}|action=edit}} adding more cowbell!]'' |- |}

Thanks! --Oni Ookami AlfadorTalk|@ 20:55, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Note: What that code shows as is on my user page.--Oni Ookami AlfadorTalk|@ 20:57, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:NavFrame, Wikipedia:Collapsible tables, {{Hidden}}, {{Hidden begin}} for some possibilities. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:49, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] contribution not suitable, next steps please

Hi

A while ago, I drafted a short piece about an information association i volunteer with. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_creation/2006-11-23#IAALD

The idea was to start from here to build out a series of entries around agricultural information and communications - linking to items from some of our existing members and collaborators already on wikipedia.....

Now I see that "all article submissions on this archive page have been mass moderated, and none of the remaining submissions are suitable for articles on Wikipedia. The page has been mass moderated and can safely be marked as completed."

so, where do i go from here on wikipedia? if at all..

thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Iaaldeditor (talk • contribs) 21:49, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

I can suggest one reason why the submission might not have been added (although there may be others) is that it contains no independent and reliable sources. I notice that you went back today, over a year later, and edited the submission, expanding the sources. However even that PDF document source by "Greider, A.P" is still not independent as the document says (and I quote): "Antoinette Greider is Secretary/Treasurer of IAALD". Firstly you would need to resubmit the page as the archived version will not get seen where it is even if you edit it. Additionally you will need to find independently published sources on IAALD, not blogs and documents written by it. Please see Wikipedia:Verifiability for a fuller explanation than I can give. • Anakin (contribs • complaints) 22:10, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

I think this page could easily be notable if you provide independent sources (as described above) that qould qualify its notability. Once you do that, I recommend just creating the article forthright instead of putting it through articles for creation. I think a lot of submissions that would otherwise be good articles get declined there because no one who patrols wants to go through the effort of cleaning them up or just creating them in the first place.--Oni Ookami AlfadorTalk|@ 22:15, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

The suggested article was not accepted but that doesn't necessarily make the subject unsuitable for an article. I didn't review it and don't know what the reviewers thought since no reply was given, but two problems may have killed it: 1) Lack of independent sources as others point out. Wikipedia really likes independent reliable sources to show notability of a subject. 2) The name in the opening line was wrong (it misssed a final s). If a reviewer made a quick Google search without that s to get a rough idea of how often the organization is mentioned and the chance of finding good sources, then it would give 96 hits today (enough to make many think it's correctly spelled and not speculate about other spellings), instead of 12100 hits. I have no idea whether such a misleading search was actually made, but I can easily imagine it. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:32, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism Template

I noticed that when people vandalize here on Wikipedia, that you have a spefici template to subst for that user & they generally get 3 of those before getting banned. Anyways, where could I find those templates? I tried looking for them but had no such luck. § Eloc § 22:06, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Template messages/User talk namespace for these and many other. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:09, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
You may also notice that at the bottom of the when you are editing something, there is a box with clickable markup and languages. You may click on the (templates) link below to get at a page containing templates for a variety of uses and namespaces. Generally every template not on the user namespace will be somewhere on that list.--Oni Ookami AlfadorTalk|@ 22:13, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Looking for a specific citation template

Another editor added an external citation to an article which links to a webpage which excerpts another person's article. I guess that would be considered a tertiary(?) source. Anyhow, the author's name is given, but there is no information given regarding the original publication. Given that the excerpted author is a reporter for a particular hobbyist publication, I assume that is the source. But, is there a template which says something to the effect of "Please provide a source for the original publication?" I looked at {{refimprove}} and {{citequote}}, but they don't seem to address this specific situation. I've left a note about it on the talk page, but I thought it would be prudent to tag the questionable source in articlespace as well. All suggestions are welcome. Thank you, GentlemanGhost (talk) 22:47, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

I don't see anything fitting in Category:Citation and verifiability maintenance templates. Depending on the circumstances, if the linked external site is unreliable then you might use {{Unreliablesources}} which refers to the talk page. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:05, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] creating new article from a section of an existing article

129.6.203.95 (talk) 23:29, 3 January 2008 (UTC)HRosenberg Hello: I am interested to create a new article. The subject exists as a subsection in another article but I believe that it deserves an independent article. It would contain the contents of the existing article section plus some expansion. Should I just create this new article and leave the old subsection, or create a new article and delete this section from the old article. Is there a Wikipedia policy on this?

Actually, a guideline rather than a policy (policies being fewer in number on Wikipedia, and generally even harder to change than guidelines):
--Teratornis (talk) 23:38, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
Note that to create a new article, you have to create an account and log in first. Be sure to read Wikipedia:Why was my article deleted? before you create your first article. --Teratornis (talk) 23:40, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
It might be a good idea to first dicuss this on the original article's talk page. However, if you are sure that that the change is useful and if you do not get a response on the talk page after a few days, then go ahead a make the change anyway (after reading the guidelines listed above.) -Arch dude (talk) 03:25, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Initial Capitalization

Headline entry for Jerry Spagnoli currently reads: Jerry spagnoli. How can the "s" of the last name be changed from lower case to upper case? This is not part of the copy body, but rather above the copy body on the edit page, therefore it does not seem to be accessible for revision. Sarahmorthland (talk) 23:35, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Accounts older than 4 days can move pages using a "move" button which will appear at the top of the page (beside the "history" button). In this case, I have moved the page to correct the capitalisation. More information is available at WP:MOVE--Kateshortforbob 23:45, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
On another note, the article reads as though it might have been written for another purpose; perhaps an interview or an exhibition catalogue? I think the first two paragraphs need some reworking to remove the promotional, for lack of a better word, language (the "peacock terms" mentioned at the top of the article). I've added a couple of references, but more would great, particularly one for the direct quote. Unfortunately, I don't have time to look for more - it's nearly my bedtime! --Kateshortforbob 00:11, 4 January 2008 (UTC)