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[edit] October 28

[edit] Pictures with the same name

I want to use the image [1] to illustrate the relationship between the load bearing structure and the glass curtain wall in the article Curtain wall however the image title "Image:100_1607.jpg" is already in use for the another picture directly loaded onto wikipedia, how do I format the wiki markup to be able to use the picture I want? KTo288 00:42, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

You can use Commons:Image:100_1607.jpg instead of just plain old Image:100_1607.jpg. NF24^{(radio me!}_{Editor review)} 01:02, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. KTo288 01:15, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

It may be me but I can't get it to work. KTo288 01:36, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

It turns out that the Wikipedia image is orphaned, so I've listed it on Images for deletion. If the image is deleted, you can be free to use Image:100_1607.jpg. NF24^{(radio me!}_{Editor review)} 01:55, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

No rush, looks like a pic that maybe useful to some one, I've asked for a rename of the Commons image,but with their backlog, it may take a while. Thanks again for your efforts. KTo288 02:18, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] services for disabilty peoples

hi. Does wiki provide services for disability people?? like Disabled individuals ..

Regards

Do you mean, for example, means for colour-blind users to read articles? I don't think there is one. Can you please elabourate? NF24^{(radio me!}_{Editor review)} 01:04, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

It has general rules on things such as a users signature; "In consideration of users with vision problems, be sparing with color. If you must use different colors in your signature, please ensure that the result will be readable by people with color blindness." Do you mean things like this? As for 'services', I'm not so sure. — jacĸrм (talk) 01:09, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Maybe Wikipedia:Accessibility and Wikipedia:WikiProject Accessibility are of interest to you. PrimeHunter 02:14, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] template

i would like to know what a template is

See Help:Template. PrimeHunter 04:02, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] helen slayton-hughes

this page contains inaccurate information about me. I have already lodged a complaint through the proper channels. And now today there is MORE. How can I stop whoever puts this inaccurate information in from doing so? He/seems to be confusing me with a "Helen S. Hughes". He has given me a mother named Leanna, had me born in Los Angeles in the wrong year, and added three TV credits that I was not on. I want to unconfuse this person! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.22.93.138 (talk) 03:48, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

I left a note at Helen Slayton-Hughes and removed the disputed, uncited information. Sbowers3 15:12, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] {{Japanese year}} isn't working.

When trying to execute the {Japanese year} (with two braces, not written because it processes the error instead) template the output is a malfunctional unexpected expression error. Mentifisto 07:10, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

It works if you give a year parameter, for example {{Japanese year|2007}} renders as: Heisei 19. See more at Template talk:Japanese year. If you always want it to display the current year then {{Japanese year|{{CURRENTYEAR}}}} renders as Heisei 20 and should automatically change next year. PrimeHunter 13:19, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Ah, I thought that it worked as it was because all other date templates did, that's why I mistook it... thanks. Mentifisto 20:21, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

What you call other date templates are probably parser functions listed at Help:Magic words#Time. {{Japanese year}} is a real template. PrimeHunter 01:35, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] What is SAN

what is SAN ,i want basic knowledge about SAN61.246.137.99 09:48, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

SAN can mean many things, but doesn't have a Wikipedia specific meaning that I'm aware of. Try looking at the disambiguation page SAN and perhaps your answers will be found there. Into The Fray ^T/C 09:52, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

"-san" usage added. --Namazu-tron 23:10, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

In the Technology world SAN can mean Storage Area Network. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storage_area_network

ITBlair 06:46, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] How do you put a photo onto an article?

How do you insert a photo into an article?

81.102.58.181 10:26, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

If you want to add an existing image to an article, type [[Image:File name.jpg|center|Optional caption.]] to the article – replacing File name.jpg with the actual file name of the image, center with the alignment of the image on the page and Optional caption with the caption, which of course, is optional. See our picture tutorial for more information.
If you want to upload an image from your computer, to put in an article, you must find out what license the image is licensed under. If you know your image is licensed under a free-license, upload it to the Wikimedia Commons, where all projects have access to the image. If you are unsure what license your image is licensed under, see the file upload wizard for more information. Also, please read Wikipedia's image use policy, because if you upload the image under a false license, you may be blocked.

Hope this has helped.. --Silver Edge 10:29, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Please note that you must be registered to upload images. NF24^{(radio me!}_{Editor review)} 11:28, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Undoing a redirection

Rye House Stadium has been redirected to Rye House Rockets.Can Rye House Stadium get its page back? Northmetpit 13:09, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

That redirect was created in February, 2007, and there are no prior edits. There is also no deletion log entry, so it looks like that article, at least under that spelling and capitalization, never existed. If you want to create an article for Rye House Stadium, then you would click on that link, then click on "redirected from Rye House Stadium" on the upper left hand side of the screen, then click edit this page and start the article.--Fuhghettaboutit 13:30, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Or to simplify that just a bit, click on this link.--VectorPotential^Talk 13:33, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Image question

I'm trying to make a shield for U.S. Virgin Islands Highway 3081 in Inkscape, but I can't seem to do it anymore (I've made a couple of shields before, for my own enjoyment). I'm using the three-digit template at Commons:Circle signs, but I can't add the text into the image. Can someone who's not a n00b at Inkscape tell me what I'm doing wrong? Thanks, NF24^{(radio me!}_{Editor review)} 13:19, 28 October 2007 (UTC) Figured it out. NF24^{(radio me!}_{Editor review)} 18:42, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] My novel.

Dear Sir/Madam,

My novel “Clouded Crescent”: Garrulous Goon, ISBN numbers 9781425999568, paperback & 9781425999575 hardcover self- published though AuthorHouse, UK & USA needs your kind attention to include it in your list of books.

Synopsis <removed>

M.R Rambler, Karachi. Pakistan —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rambler1144 (talk • contribs) 13:45, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Are you asking us to write an article about your novel?--VectorPotential^Talk 13:46, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

As you have disclosed, your novel is self-published. Based on that fact, it is unlikely that it is a suitable topic for an article on Wikipedia. The subject of Wikipedia articles must be notable; that is, topics that have been the subject of significant treatment in independent, reliable sources. Please see Wikipedia:Notability (books), which treats these issues in more detail.--Fuhghettaboutit 13:59, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Of course, self-publication doesn't automatically deem a book non-notable, however less than 2000 google hits is probably a good indicator that the subject may not be all together notable, but again, that isn't an absolute either.--VectorPotential^Talk 14:06, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

No, the google hits aren't much of an indication either. Lack of verifiable sales records and the fact that the author is asking us, rather than the readers, suggests it's not suitable for inclusion. - Mgm|^(talk) 22:39, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

If however, the novel is cataloged in multiple physical libraries throughout the world, it may be notable: please check WorldCat. -Arch dude 02:25, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Search problem

I was trying to learn what the acronym MOTR/L means. Searching for MOTR using WP search provides seven hits, but most of them don't actually include the text "MOTR." What is going on here? Can it be fixed? I know that the search is not as good as some commercial engines, but I'd expect it at least to be better than this. Matchups 14:40, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia search uses the source text which probably contains the string MOTR in all cases. PrimeHunter 15:02, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

My Googling indicates MOTR/L stands for Masters of Occupational Therapy, registered/licensed. PrimeHunter 15:17, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Flesch & similar stats

Possibly a bit of a technical question, but asking at Help Desk first. If your answer is to point me to a better page to ask my question then that's fine.

I ran an article I've been working on through a computerised spelling & grammar checker, and it gave me the stats which I've set out here. My question is: how do we use that information? How can I work out whether, by Wikipedia standards, those are good stats or bad stats, and if they're bad stats what the target stat should be, and what the editors of the page should do to get there. AndyJones 15:43, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

That's quite an interesting question. I suppose the thing to do would be to run the same program on, say, a sample of featured articles (since they are supposed to demonstrate the best writing Wikipedia has to offer, among other things) and post some summary statistics in an essay, for example Wikipedia:Readability results. Of course, having done that, it will probably become a new layer of bureaucracy in the FA process as articles are deemed worthy based on their Flesch-Kincaid score, but then again maybe that's not such a bad thing (in some cases, at least). Confusing Manifestation 21:52, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] submitting an article, pre approval?

Hello, Is there anyone I can submit my article to in order to find out if it meet Wikipedia's guidelines? ( it's not long at all)I hate to upload it only to have it deleted. The article is about myself and a local wildlife education program I've started. Thanks Novagul112 15:46, 28 October 2007 (UTC)Novagul112

You are discouraged from creating articles about yourself or something you are connected to per WP:COI. If you still want to create it, I don't think there is a "pre-approval" page, but you can check if it meets WP:N and WP:BIO. Make sure to at least assert notability or it can get speedily deleted. NF24^{(radio me!}_{Editor review)} 15:49, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

You an create a sub-page of your user page, for example User:Novagul112/Foo.By convention. such pages are considered to be work in progress and will not be deleted unless you do something really egregious. We will assume good faith: the article is intended to eventally become a mainspace article. After you get it into good shape, you can ask for comment either here or no any of several other forums, and then move the article into mainspace. -Arch dude 02:19, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New Entry, existing name (for someone else)

I want to create a new entry for Arnold Shaw, author of many books on American Popular Music, founder and director of the Arnold Shaw Popular Music Research Center at UNLV -- definitely an important enough figure to merit inclusion. Why? Just because I'm a big fan of his books, and discovered by chance that there is no page for him.

My problem: When I go to "Arnold Shaw," I don't get the No entry exists -- would you like to create one? page, I get directed to a page for a different Arnold Shaw, a British MP. So how do I start a fresh page for this Arnold Shaw?

Tad Richards 15:58, 28 October 2007 (UTC)Tad Richards

You can title it, for example, "Arnold Shaw (author)". NF24^{(radio me!}_{Editor review)} 16:01, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

See more at Wikipedia:Disambiguation and Wikipedia:Hatnote. PrimeHunter 16:31, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Image for Boston Red Sox is broken -- how to fix?

I was reading the article here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Red_Sox#Retired_numbers

I noticed Carl Y's number 8 wasn't showing up at all, but all the others were. (I'm using Mozilla FireFox 2.0.0.8 on Linux)

Looking more closely, it looks as if the image file should be OK. So I'm at a loss as to how to explain the discrepancy and what to do about it.

Here's an image that works:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Bosret4.svg

Here's an image that DOESN'T work:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Bosret8.svg

What am I missing? Any assistance would be gratefully appreciated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.209.16.206 (talk) 17:57, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Looks fine to me, try bypassing your cache (ctrl F5) and see if the problem is still occurring.--VectorPotential^Talk 18:04, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Ahh, I see. Yup, agreed. Thanks!! Dsf 18:50, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] link labelled "locked/forbidden" - What does this mean?

On this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penis_panic there is a link with a label "locked/forbidden".

I suspect that this is a cultural reference within a specific religious community about the contents of the linked page.

Or is this part of the formal methodology of Wikipedia?

I'm curious, but also a bit vigilant here.

Thanks. Tdigennaro 18:08, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

It was added by user:68.122.70.126 in July 2006, and as far as I can tell it doesn't mean anything.--VectorPotential^Talk 18:12, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

I've removed it, along with some of the other commentary that seems to have accumulated in and around the external links section. Someone should also probably fix up those last two citations as they're completely non-standard.--VectorPotential^Talk 18:17, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Section without a title

How do I create one? A.Z. 18:16, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm not 100% sure what you're asking, but if what you want is a blank header, you could always try ===   ===, ignoring the < b > tags, they're just there so   doesn't display as a space.--VectorPotential^Talk 18:24, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit]

Like this.--VectorPotential^Talk 18:24, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! That's exactly what I was asking for. How do I make a section not be listed in the table of contents? A.Z. 18:38, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Short of disabling the entire thing using __NOTOC__, I'm not sure it's possible.--VectorPotential^Talk 18:50, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

It's not. Headers will always appear in the table of contents, which appears above the first header on pages with four or more headers (unless disabled by __NOTOC__) or when/where-ever __TOC__ is located. Might I ask why you want to make a blank header? Headers usually exist to aid in navigation of an article, and blank headers could easily confuse readers. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 00:34, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

If you just want a horizontal bar without a section then you can make it with four hyphens: ----

The above line is like that. PrimeHunter 01:26, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for all the answers! A.Z. 02:23, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Image vs text

At the bottom of the article I am referencing it says "All text is available under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License." Does the term 'text' refer to both photos and words in the article? I would like to use the photo in a book on The History of Mountain Home Demonstration State Forest. Specically I am referring to the articles about the Douglas squirrel, the American marten and the fisher. Jason Otter —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.81.136.236 (talk) 23:49, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Photos are licensed differently. You can view the license by clicking on the picture. NF24^{(radio me!}_{Editor review)} 23:59, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Assuming you are indeed referring to Douglas squirrel, American marten and Fisher (animal), all images on those pages are available through the public domain, the GFDL, and/or a Creative Commons license. You should check to make which of those applies to the image you want to use and check the terms of the license it is available under for use. In general, you will simply have to attribute the author, however in some cases there are additional terms that need to be taken into account. Public domain images are free to use however you want with no additional conditions. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 00:50, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

It appears that the term text is a technical term. It refers to the actual wikipedia wiki text of the article itself, and not to the resulting displayed page. Every editor of en.wikipedia.org agrees to license the wikitext of each article at en.wikipedia.org under the GFDL. However, this wikitext may include links to images. The Links themselves are therefore licensed under the GFDL, but the actual images may be licensed under different terms. In this regard, en.wikipedia.org does not differ from any other web site that permits image links to "external" web sites, and in all such cases, the images may be under copyrights that differ from the copyrights of the serving web page. Example: Anna has a web page page whose HTML is under copyright license "A". This site links to images under license "B". Anna's site does not maintain any copy of any image at site "B", so Anna has no obligation to honor the licenses imposed by "B". User "C" clicks on a page at Anna's site, and user C's computer downloads images from site "B" and displays them. Anna has no legal responsibility to prevent user C's computer from displaying images from B's server, even though Anna's pages have interlnal links to B's web site that "direct" or "invite" C's computer to download these images. The coup is from B to C, and the copyright issue depends on copyright law, and on the justification under copyright law that C uses. For en.wikipedia.org, we only link to wikipedia.commons, ro the our own images. any other linlk are to non-wikipedia sites. If you follow an external link, you are on you won. For an Internal link, the commons site only permits GFDL (or other free) licenses, so you can use these If you adhere to the license, which may require attribution. By contrast to other wikipedias, en.wikipedia.org also uses images under the Free use clause of the US copyright law. You may use these images fro other purposes, but only if you make an independent determination that your use (completely independent of Wikipedia's use) is valid under the "free use" provisions of copyright law. -Arch dude 01:58, 29 October 2007 (UTC)