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[edit] October 13

[edit] How to find the current status of an old Reference Desk page.

I asked a question on the Wikipedia:Reference desk/Humanities page a long time ago (14 December 2006) and now I would like to find the current status of that page. From the "my contributions" link, I only get an old version of the page (immediately after I asked the question). Dlempa 00:38, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

The actual page where your question appeared is archived at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Humanities/2006 December 15#Why does Vesper *** in Casino Royale the film?. To find the location of such material in the future, once you know the date of your post, you go to the archive link which is on each section of the reference desk, which will take you to the Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives. From there it's self-explanatory.--Fuhghettaboutit 01:08, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tables and text

Hey. I'm trying to make a table with results of a question, and I want the question to be in a little quote box to the right of the table. I've tried using cquotes and rquotes and the corresponding help pages but can't work out how I go about aligned the quote both horizontally and vertically centre in the spare space to the right of the table. Cheers, Rothery 00:48, 13 October 2007 (UTC).

Hm. You could try floating the table next to the box, but that won't be as accurate and it's entirely possible it simply won't work. What you might try is something like this -
{|width="100%" cellspacing=0
|-
|style="border:1px solid gray;"|Here's the first result
!rowspan="3" width="50%" style="background:white;" valign="center"|Your question goes here
|-
|style="border:1px solid gray;"|Here's the second result
|-
|style="border:1px solid gray;"|Here's the third result, and so on.....
|}
Here's the first result Your question goes here
Here's the second result
Here's the third result, and so on.....

Basically, the whole thing is in a table, with your question turned into a header cell so it behaves properly. It's probably not quite what you wanted, but I think that's the best we can do with wikimarkup. Someone else might be able to provide some more help if you don't mind waiting. Hersfold (t/a/c) 04:08, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] new words

how do i make a new word? it is used very often, day-to-day in my workplace, and i would like it to be on this site —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.2.158.154 (talk) 02:43, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not for made up words or things. Try UrbanDictionary. GlassCobra (Review) 02:47, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] HOW DO I SUBMIT THE ARTICLE TO BE REVISED AND/OR APPROVED FOR POSTING ONTO WIKIPEDIA, THE FREE ENCYCLOPEDIA?

I need your guiding assistance, please... Thus far, every time I have accessed the HELP DESK, an assistant has provided me w/invaluable information. Now, as I am not able to extract another revision on what I have written, I need to find out what steps I must follow to submit the article to be revised and/or approved for posting onto WIKIPEDIA, the free encyclopedia. Your reply will be -as usual- most appreciated. Sincerely, --Labs1950 05:53, 13 October 2007 (UTC)Labs1950

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.
Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.
If you still think an article is appropriate, see Help:Starting a new page. You might also look at Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. --Silver Edge 05:58, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi again Labs. In this case what you want to do is move the article from your sandbox to the mainspace. You do this by going to your sandbox and clicking on the tab marked "move" at the top right of the screen, then type in the field appended with "to new title", the name it should be posted under, which would be José Bernal, then click the button "move page."--Fuhghettaboutit 06:37, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Removing information...

I put up information on Olympic gymnast Shannon Miller and DanielEng removed it. I assumed he's a moderator. The fact of the matter is the information may be disturbing but is indeed true and docuemted. I've noticed that other negative information concerning this individual is constantly taken down. How do I get this information out? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.44.52.193 (talk) 06:04, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

We have certain policies regarding controversial information in biographies of living people, to protect the subjects of the articles and the reputation of our project, as well as maintain a neutral point of view. Any controversial information must be well sourced with reliable information for verification by other editors. Any information not meeting these criteria can and will be removed. I'd suggest you bring your information to the article's talk page when you locate some sources that meet those policies. Other editors will be able to look over what you have and judge on whether it belongs in the article. Hersfold (t/a/c) 06:17, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Who is the highest officer of Indian Government

59.94.140.136 06:38, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

You might find what you are looking for in the article about Government of India. If you cannot find the answer there, click here to post your question at that article's talk page. If that does not solve your problem, you can try asking your question at Wikipedia's Reference Desk. They will be glad to try and answer questions about anything in the universe (except about how to use Wikipedia, which is what this help desk is for). I hope this helps. --Moonriddengirl 11:57, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] FOLLOWED YOUR CLEAR INSTRUCTIONS, FUHGHETTABOUTIT...

FUHGHETTABOUTIT, your last reply was as clear as purified tap water, and I thought I would be able to follow through as your instructions did not confuse me at all. Supposedly the page was moved from my sandbox to José Bernal (page); now it will be a matter of seeing if the "moved page" was -indeed- moved to the intended, correct page. Also, reason I am -once again- writing you at the HELP DESK is that I still was not able to access the correct place to write directly to you, despite the fact that I went to your User talk page, as you indicated. I am a DUMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You will receive this message of appreciation at the HELP DESK, though, so I had to write to you here to make certain that my many, many thanks would be read by you. Please pardon me for doing so, and understand I simply had no other way of doing it right now. W/great appreciation for all your detailed assistance, --Labs1950 07:23, 13 October 2007 (UTC)Labs1950

It looks like it has worked, to me. There is an article here: José Bernal. AndyJones 12:14, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
Also, the talk page you were looking for is here: User talk:Fuhghettaboutit. AndyJones 12:15, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Black Stone

In this article, there is an Image of the Prophet Muhammad (SAW). As a representative of The Islamic Society in Canada, I would like to formally request that this image be removed. This is not a request to sensor an image for vulgarity, it is a request that it be removed due to the act that it is inaccurate. The Prophet (SAW) is depicted as having long hair below the shoulder, this is historically inaccurate, as it is well known that the Prophet's hair never grew past his shoulder. This image clearly depicts that his hair has grown far below his shoulder. Also, please respect that this is the wish of many devoted Wikipedia users who depend on the accuracy the site.

Thank you in advance, I hope to check again and not have to see this Image as it is not a reliable source of the appearance of the Prophet (SAW). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.230.215.101 (talk) 07:30, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

This image, and the question of whether or not to use it, has been discussed extensively in such places as Talk:Black Stone and Talk:Kaaba (as well as others). If you wish to bring up concerns, it is best to do so at the appropriate talkpage. --Elonka 07:39, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
The central location for this issue seems to be Wikipedia:WikiProject Islam/Images of Muhammad. — Sebastian 18:49, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] help

how to see whole world satalite image in wikipedia eg like google earth —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pratham1704 (talk • contribs) 08:35, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

See WP:EIW#Map for links to pages which describe the state of mapping efforts for Wikipedia. For example, you might like Placeopedia. --Teratornis 14:05, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] user ONLY use in en.wikipedia

hi there, I already have user in wikipedia, why I can't use same user in different language & projects such as ar.wikipedia, fr.wikipedia or Wikiquote ? it is same website! why i must registered in each project? what i mean is that wikipedia have 200 languages and other 8 projects, all of theme revent to same source (Wikimedia Foundation), it is very nice if i use same user in all projects& alnguages, if i need to edit page or sahre knowledgei in another language, i must register again ! it is illogical —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sl0o0m (talk • contribs) 10:16, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, it's very true that at the moment you need to register for each project individually, which can be rather illogical. There has been a single unified login in development for a while now, but as yet there is no time frame for its adoption. Will (aka Wimt) 10:37, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] translation

I'm thinking about to translate some articles from english wikipedia to czech wikipedia. What I must write to the czech article about the source article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.101.92.38 (talk) 11:27, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

By my reading of Wikipedia:Copyrights, you're free to use the information in any article (duplicating, altering in entirety) as long as you "grant the same freedoms to others and [acknowledge] the authors of the Wikipedia article used (a direct link back to the article satisfies our author credit requirement)". (See Help:Interlanguage links) The Czech Wikipedia will have its own policies and guidelines which I am completely unable to locate or comprehend. :) But they may have a project there like our Wikipedia:Translation where editors experienced in doing this can answer specific questions about the policies of that Wikipedia. --Moonriddengirl 12:10, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia translations

Would it be possible for someone to add a basic translator to wikipedia so that people can read pages from other languages without having to copy them into another site, or continually going back through google? —Preceding unsigned comment added by CAT..967 (talk • contribs) 11:55, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Somebody may come along to answer this here, but, if not, you might want to pose the question at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical). I do note, though, that the top of that page says "Bugs and feature requests should be made at the BugZilla since there is no guarantee developers will read this page." BugZilla looks to me, though, to be a whole lot more interested in hearing about bugs. :) In your position, I might ask at Village Pump if such is under development or anything is known about it, and if I learned it wasn't or others didn't know, I might head over to BugZilla to see how to suggest it. --Moonriddengirl 12:16, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
On first glance I thought it shouldn't be too difficult to write a template that could package a URL for Google to translate into English from a particular foreign language. Google already knows how to map all the internal links on a foreign language site so you can transparently browse it in English. For example, in a question above I linked to the English translation of the Russian Wikipedia, which then becomes browseable almost like another English Wikipedia (albeit with some broken English). Anyway, the idea seemed so obvious that I searched the Template: namespace for Google and found: {{Google translation}}. Let's try it on, say, the Spanish Wikipedia:
  • This template code: {{Google translation|en|es|http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portada|The Googlefied Spanish Wikipedia}}
  • produces this link: The Googlefied Spanish Wikipedia
¡Enhorabuena! --Teratornis 14:42, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
You know, you were the "somebody" I had in mind. :) --Moonriddengirl 14:51, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] translation

how would you say Good Morning, welcome, thank you and goodbye in arab language? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.60.241.44 (talk) 12:25, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Hello! This page is for requesting help with Wikipedia, but perhaps you could ask your question at the Language reference desk. Cheers! Ariel♥Gold 12:31, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Swapping articles and redirects

(I guess I'm more of a WikiGnome and not as bold as I ought to be, otherwise I wouldn't be asking here.) If I discover evidence that an article and its redirect should be swapped, should I do it. It's something I've always known, but only recently — and quite by chance — discovered proof.

A second semi-related question: Is a physical object such as a sign or a monument considered verification? Not something that was just put up by anyone, but something official like a marker erected by a government agency.

(FYI: The article I'm referring to is John Tewksbury. His real name is Walter Tewksbury, which is now the re-direct page. While researching something else in my hometown newspaper's archives — the same Tunkhannock, Pennsylvania where he lived — I came across his obituary article, which makes no mention of the name "John." That counts as something verifiable, I think, even though it is on a brittle piece of 50-year-old newspring. There is also a marker in town honoring him that was erected by the Pennsylvania Historical and Museum Commission. I wasn't sure if that counts as verification or not. By the way, I have only anecdotal evidence as to why he once competed under the name "John," so I won't add that to the article.)

— Michael J 14:15, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Check out WP:Move#Moving_over_a_redirect. Hope that helps; I've never tried it myself. :) --Moonriddengirl 14:56, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
Actually, for fear of steering you wrong, I tried it. It did work. So that's for future reference. If you don't mind, please clarify the man's name in the article. --Moonriddengirl 14:58, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
Moonriddengirl, you're an admin, it always works for admins. Non-admin users can only reverse a redirect if it only has one history entry (and can't move over a redirect except to reverse it); I'm not sure whether that was the case or not in this case. If a similar situation comes up again, and the redirect has history so an admin has to be asked, the template {{db-move}} can be placed on the page to move to to request that an admin move a page. --ais523 15:08, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
Ah. I didn't realize the tools would automatically permit such. There was, however, only one entry in the history, the redirect. Thank you for clarifying. --Moonriddengirl 15:18, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
Just to note that at this point, I think that one might have worked for anybody. I just hit a case like you describe, and this one came with a warning box: "Caution: The destination article "Danny_Wallace_(humorist)" already exists. Do you want to delete it to make way for the move? (Check the edit history.)" The last one did not. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 19:46, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
We name articles based on the common name of people, not on birth names. That is why Samuel Clemens is a redirect to Mark Twain, among numerous examples. Please see Wikipedia:Naming conventions (common names). The article in question appears to use his common name, but provide his birth name which includes Walter—certainly there are many hits on Google web and books using the search ""John Tewksbury" olympics -wikipedia". The evidence you found doesn't appear to contradict the article. He may have been known to his friends and family and town locals as Walter, but to the public at large as John and thus why his local obituary and town marker uses that name. So unless you have evidence that he is more commonly known' by some other name configuration, I don't think a retitling is warranted.--Fuhghettaboutit 15:13, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
(I should move this discussion to the John Tewksbury talk page now.) The listings on the International Olympic Committee database, the U.S.A. Track & Field Hall of Fame and the Pennsylvania Historical & Museum Commission all have him listed as "Walter." — Michael J 18:20, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Upload & remove an image

I have uploaded an image in wikipedia & I was suggesting that if I upload an image it should be on my page and I could put an image to an article from there, also I can remove an image from my userpage if I don't want to feature it in any of the articles —Preceding unsigned comment added by SilentmanX (talk • contribs) 15:08, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

An image must be used in an article, not just a user page. Wikipedia is not a media repository nor is it MySpace. If you just want to make an image available for free, public use, consider uploading it to Wikimedia Commons. -- Kesh 20:58, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] help

how do you undo vandalism —Preceding unsigned comment added by Monobi (talk • contribs) 15:37, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

To undo vandalism, go to a page's "history" by clicking on the tab at the top of an article that says "history". If you see an edit that is vandalism, then click the link next to the edit that is vandalism that says "undo". For some tools to undo vandalism quickly, you might want to check this out. Cheers, ( arky ) 15:39, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

I found http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_User_scripts/Scripts/Twinkle but how does it work? where do I add it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Monobi (talk • contribs) 15:49, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

First, note that Twinkle is a very powerful tool, and so you have to be careful when using it, and that it doesn't work in Internet Explorer. In order to install it, though, go to your personal scripts page and write
importScript('User:AzaToth/twinkle.js');
as the only content in that page (or add it to the bottom of the page if there's already something there. (Note that the page will display a warning; you should only install a script if you trust the people who wrote it.) After doing that, just bypass your cache to finish installing the script. Hope that helps! --ais523 16:00, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

How do I get rid of the using TW part like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/DerHexer —Preceding unsigned comment added by Monobi (talk • contribs) 16:30, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Add the following code in the same place:
TwinkleConfig = {
       summaryAd                       :       "",
       deletionSummaryAd               :       "",
       protectionSummaryAd             :       ""
};
(either after or before, it doesn't matter). --ais523 16:48, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
I would like to echo the cautions already stated above, that Twinkle is a very powerful tool, and should be used with caution by someone not familiar with the policies and guidelines of Wikipedia. Twinkle has a vast amount of options and warning categories, and not everything is vandalism. I have written a guidebook for new editors who wish to start helping out with vandalism, and you may want to review that prior to diving in with reverting and using Twinkle. You can find the guide here, and it is quite encompassing, covering policy and guidelines related to what is vandalism, what is not, what is appropriate to warn for, and when, including what order of warnings to use, and when to report. Fighting vandalism on Wikipedia is indeed a noble thing, but it is also something that is quite tricky at times, and not something to be taken lightly, nor are warnings something to hand out without valid reasoning backed up by policy and guidelines. Looking at how new your account is, I would personally suggest that you take some time to get used to Wikipedia, read through the help pages, and get a feel for things prior to getting into recent changes patrol, but of course, that's just a suggestion. Cheers, Ariel♥Gold 16:59, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] upload image, redirect to another page

Sir:

I am interested in adding a photo to the page I am building on Gregory Short, American composer.

Moreover, can you point me to information on redirecting a search for Greg Short to the Gregory Short page?


Thank you in advance for your time


My regards, Jim —Preceding unsigned comment added by James (Jim) Baker (talk • contribs) 16:02, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

  1. In order to upload a photo, first make sure that either you own its copyright and are willing to release it under a free licence, or its copyright owner has already licenced it under such a licence; then you can upload it with the 'Upload file' link in the toolbox to the left of the screen. Once it's uploaded, see Help:Image for instructions on how to add it to the article.
  2. See Help:Redirect for full instructions on creating a redirect; in short, you do it by adding #REDIRECT [[page to redirect to]] on the page you're redirecting from.
  3. You can add a page to a list simply by editing the list; to add a page to a category, place a link to the category at the bottom of the page you want to add to it.

Hope that helps! --ais523 16:07, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Does wikipedia have strict rules?

Are Wikipedia policy strict rules that one must stick to like the law and will be punished non negotiably or is it more a community guideline that should be followed and if not action is taken by the community.86.141.240.194 16:56, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

No, rules aren't strict; they simply reflect what has been common practice in the past. Your best interpretation of the policies and guidelines is that they are a guide to what has become established as usual/acceptable behaviour; generally speaking, going against them should only be done if there's a clear reason why they shouldn't apply (most likely because a situation has come up that they weren't designed to cope with). Policies and guidelines form the other way round from in most other systems; a policy is written once it becomes clear what the unwritten rules are. --ais523 17:00, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
We can ignore all rules if we like, but it's harder (for example) to ignore our pages getting deleted. Wikipedia is much larger than an elephant, and everyone who gropes around on Wikipedia will experience different aspects of it. Thus to some people, Wikipedia may seem to have very strict rules, while to others it may resemble near anarchy. Which is to say, the degree to which you will think the rules are "strict" will depend very much on which rules you break. --Teratornis 18:44, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
There is also a difference between Policies, which are requirements, and Guidelines, which are recommendations. For more info, you can see WP:PILLARS, Guidelines, and Wikipedia:Policies and guidelines. --Elonka 21:06, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bug 9213

I heard that Bug 9213 was supposedly resolved. Can someone leave me a message on my talk page so that I can test it for myself?--69.118.235.97 16:58, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

I'll do that now. --ais523 17:00, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
Yay! Not only did I receive the notification, but it actually went away after I looked at the message!--69.118.235.97 17:02, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
That's really good news! Thank you for volunteering to test it for us! Cheers to the devs. Ariel♥Gold 17:04, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
For more information, see this Signpost article. --ais523 17:05, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] My Search History

Is there a simple way to keep track of my search history in Wikipedia as I can and do with my Google searches?

I find automatic memory aids like this very useful knowledge management tools.

Thanks in advance.

Wiquiman —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiquiman (talk • contribs) 17:32, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia doesn't have a feature to do that; it's possible your browser does, though. Look for a feature called 'AutoComplete' in Internet Explorer or 'Remember what I enter in forms and the search bar' in the options in Firefox. --ais523 17:47, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
Another in-browser solution might be to use Ctrl-H, and click view by site (in Firefox), or just look under the folder titled en.wikipedia (in IE6 & IE7)--69.118.235.97 20:18, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
A Desktop search search program might be useful. Another option may be not to use Wikipedia's built-in search function, but to search Wikipedia with Google instead. Then you will keep track of your Wikipedia searches as a subset of your Google searches. I would like my computer not only to keep track of everything I do, but to understand what I am thinking, and to document that for me as well. That may sound absurd, but a smart human could get to know another human and act as his or her scribe/historian. Therefore, with Strong AI it should be possible. Moore's law might have to speed up a bit to deliver that before I die, however. In the meantime I will continue to curse at my computer. --Teratornis 04:26, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] how...

how do i report a article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.46.179.118 (talk) 19:42, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Hi! I'm not sure what you mean by "report". Do you mean create? If so, you will need to register an account first, then you could follow the instructions at Help:Starting a new page. If you mean that an article is at fault, you can fix it yourself by clicking the "edit this page" link at the top of every page. I hope this helps. :-) Stwalkerster talk 20:21, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
It's also possible that you may have seen an article that was vandalized or needs to be deleted. If you can identify the exact problem, we can better advise what needs to be done. --Elonka 21:09, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Why?

Why does the search function use Kibibytes, while the talk page size warning uses Kilobytes? Isn't this inconsistent?--69.118.235.97 20:14, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Actually, both use kibibytes in meaning. That kilobytes is often used to mean kibibytes and that it is a more recognizable term led to MediaWiki:Longpagewarning using "Kilobytes" to mean kibibytes, while the short version used in MediaWiki:Searchsize isn't much more confusing saying KiB instead of kB or KB. Nihiltres(t.l) 21:45, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Since when?

Since when is there a <div id="footer"> at the bottom of this page? Is it just for the help desk or do all pages have them?--69.118.235.97 20:25, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

I just answered the 2nd half of my question with a quick View page source of a few random articles, but I'd still like to know if this is a new feature, or if it's always been there, just never before taken advantage of?--69.118.235.97 20:26, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
  • It may have been called something else before, but it has always been there. It is the yellow box at the bottom of each page. -Mgm|(talk) 10:05, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fianna Fail - Editing always reversed.

Hi,In the article titled, "Fianna Fail" an Irish political party, I sometimes try to add "Conservatism" onto their political ideology heading. When I visit the article later I often find that ALL my editing has been reversed, but this time I noticed that it said,!-- Please don't change the ideology section without a cited reference either in article or in talk. -- appeared whenever I went to re-edit it. Has this message been added by an administrator or simply by another Wikipedia user? This is supposed to be the encyclopedia that anyone can edit but this is certainly not the case from what I can see! If you require verification that Fianna Fail IS in fact a conservative party please take a look at their European Affiliation groups article, "Alliance for Europe of the Nations" and you will notice that the ideologies listed there are, "CONSERVATISM,nationalism and Euroscepticism" and also their European Parliament group, "Union for Europe of the Nations," where their first paragraph states, "The Union for the Europe of the Nations is a NATIONAL CONSERVATIVE and generally Eurosceptic party grouping etc...." You may also wish to visit the article, "Progressive Democrats," which is another Irish political party that was formed by members ex of Fianna Fail and Fine Gael who believed their parties were too CONSERVATIVE.

Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ricardocarey (talk • contribs) 22:09, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

If you have a source, do as it says and add the source. They're saying not to change it without citing your source, which they are entitled to do. Unsourced information can always be removed. Leebo T/C 22:28, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
There's quite a lot of discussion its talk page, Talk:Fianna Fáil. Each page on Wikipedia has a talk page, which can be accessed by clicking the discussion tab at the top of the page. The talk page can be edited like a normal article page, and is used to resolve disputes among editors, and discuss how to improve the article. Add ~~~~ to the end of talk page comments to sign them. --h2g2bob (talk) 22:43, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
WP:BITE applies here. The user is apparently a newcomer and needs more information as to why his edits were reversed. The editor who reverted them could have offered a longer explanation for a newcomer. I'll try to help at his talk page. Sbowers3 02:11, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Renaming an article

Hello there. I simply have a question about moving/renaming an article. The article I am trying to move is a page about a fictional character: Chaos (Xenosaga). The name of the page is "Chaos", however, that is incorrect, as the correct spelling is "chaos" (All lowercase letters). This article was created using "Chaos" due to limitations on Wikipedia, but it is my understanding that those limitations no longer exist. I attempted to correct this, but it seems that Wikipedia sees Chaos (Xenosaga) and chaos (Xenosaga) as the same page, and I couldn't change it. (Note: the only way I'm sure how is by using the "move" tab on top of the page). Can anyone tell me how I can change this? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Also, my apologies if I'm on the wrong page for this :)Dengarde ► Complaints 23:25, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

The limitation still exists, sort of. All articles must start with a capital letter. However, a template can be applied so it displays with a lowercase letter to users. Just put the {{lowercase}} template at the top of the page, and it should display correctly. Luckily, the software update means it no longer requires JavaScript to display to the end user, so this template will correct the title directly when the page is loaded -- Kesh 23:30, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
Ah, I see. I didn't know there was a template to do this. Thank you :) Dengarde ► Complaints 23:33, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] How long does it take for a posted article to appear?

I submitted a posting about the Roy Hart Theatre, approximately three weeks ago. It hasn't yet shown up in Wikipedia. I was wondering if something went wrong and I should resubmit the article, or if this is a normal wait time for posting.

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Ashley Smith Dallas, TX —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.187.67.140 (talk) 23:44, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Submissions show up immediately. If your article is no longer here, it was likely deleted because it did not conform to the requirements for an article. Please see speedy deletion criteria for more information, and the following pages for information about how to write an article that won't be deleted: Cite your sources, Manual of style, Layout guide, First article, Article development and How to edit. As a note, I see no history of an article titled "Roy Hart Theatre" ever being created or deleted. It could be that you did not hit the "Save" button? Hope that helps! Ariel♥Gold 23:48, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
I guess this is about Wikipedia:Articles for creation/2007-09-28#Roy Hart Theatre by another IP address who could be the same person. It has not been reviewed yet and it can vary a lot how long it takes. PrimeHunter 01:55, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
Ahh, Jeeeez you'd think since I am part of the AFC project I'd have thought of that, LOL. I'll take a look at that tomorrow if someone else hasn't. I'm off to sleep soon. Ariel♥Gold 02:01, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] what to do about obvious vandalism

i recently encountered some vandalism on the following site of wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spoken_Chinese so where do i go to report the vandalism for removal/ correction? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.48.32.81 (talk) 23:59, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Why not just edit it out? Vandalism is pretty common here, and it's not necessary to report it unless the vandal comes back repeatedly. - Strangerunbidden 00:01, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
The next time you notice something like this, you can either click on the "history" tab at the top of the article, compare the most recent two versions, and use the "Undo" function to revert the edit that introduced unwanted material, or just edit the page to remove it. The vandalism you noticed has been taken care of, thanks for reporting it! Ariel♥Gold 00:03, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
See also Help:Reverting. PrimeHunter 01:43, 14 October 2007 (UTC)