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[edit] May 26
[edit] Animations
It seems that I can never, ever view any GIF animations on Wikipedia. The computers at the school view them just fine, though...what might be the problem?--the ninth bright shiner talk 00:57, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
- Perhaps your computer doesn't have enough RAM. ~ ΜΛGиυs ΛΠIмυМ ≈ √∞ 01:00, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
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- You are incorrect Sebi/Spebi. If you take a look at the GIF animated images in this article, List of Cosmic Era human enhancements#SEED factor, they are animated while viewing the article. --Silver Edge 06:20, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
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- I don't think the school computers have any more RAM than mine; I'm pretty sure they have 512MB, while I have 508MB (4 shared with the video card, I think). And it doesn't seem like a browser problem; I'm using Firefox.--the ninth bright shiner talk 17:07, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] contacting an IP?
I would like to contact an IP because the person behind it might be pretty knowledgeable in an area that I otherwise don't know how to get information about. As there have been only two user contributions of that IP so far, I'm afraid that this IP won't be used again by that user. (I've left a message anyways, but well...) As I know that users may use similar (but not identical) IPs over time... is there any way to "search" a range of IPs for contributions? Or do you have any other idea? BTW, I'm not sure how to read DNSstuff.com. Could someone tell me whether this information suggests anything about whether I'll be able to reach that person again? Great. This message sounds about as naïve as I feel right now... ^^ Thanks, Ibn Battuta 01:44, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
- I don't see how to identify a human from the link you gave. (I'm sure the FBI or MI6 could do it. Maybe ask your friends at the Mossad.) I've never actually tried this, but you could check some of these search result links: Google:track IP address. Another method might be to do Google Searches on exact phrases from Special:Contributions/82.18.134.221. For example, I see this insertion (which was quickly reverted per WP:NOR):
- Though this was reported by the Icelandic authorities as fact, it was not true. I can vouch for this as I was the wireless operater (sic) on the Cape Palliser at the time.
- I tried some Google searches with that information, but I did not find anything directly relevant. Here is someone who purports to have information about the Cape Palliser. The problem may be that "the time" referred to in the comment seems to be in 1958, long pre-dating the World Wide Web, so there probably won't be much information online about the Cape Palliser and her crew. You might ask on the Reference desk if anyone can identify the wireless operator on the Cape Palliser then. Or scrounge through the search results: Google:trawler "Cape Palliser" and maybe you can find information about her crew. --Teratornis 04:11, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] List of subpages
Is there a way to view a list of an article's subpages?
- Pages in the article space can't have subpage. Bob/Bob2 will have an article called that. Bob2 won't be a subpage of Bob. It will be a regular article page. --R ParlateContribs@ (Let's Go Yankees!) 01:55, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
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- The mainspace is capable of having subpages, but they are generally frowned upon (See Wikipedia:Subpages). You might mean see the subpages of a particular user, and to do that you can use the special page Special:Prefixindex. –Sebi ~ 02:13, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
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- Spebi, no articles can't. I don't meant to sound harsh, but read the first sentence of that page. ~ ΜΛGиυs ΛΠIмυМ ≈ √∞ 02:15, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
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- That's what I was looking for, I should have made myself clearer in the first place. Thanks.
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[edit] Should I, The Editor of WXXS, WLTN-FM, and WLTN-AM Remove The Articles?
Is what User:Wooty said a good thing or is it a bad thing for Wikipedia? I think something being an original research article is good because it means the content is original and not plagerized...but I could be wrong. If original research is bad for a Wikipedia article, do you think this article should be removed? If my WXXS article and my others should be torn down, I would remove them myself. I have them saved on a Microsoft Word Document on my own computer so I would at least have them backed up. Wow, I guess I had the wrong idea entirely.
I feel so shocked, like I was headed for disaster right from the getgo and never knew it the whole time...Just like people who fail miserabley on American Idol and get told they are just no good. If this scenario applies to my articles, than I would take some personal responsibility to admit right now this: right from the start I completely misunderstood the entire objective of Wikipedia. Usually, when one doesn't even understand what he/she is doing or does not have any cause-and-effect explanation, actions are clumsy and it is difficult for outsiders to interpret why the person did or wrote what he/she did.
Am I over-reacting or do you think I wrote WXXS, WLTN-FM, and WLTN-AM with a poor understanding of the purpose of Wikipedia? Please get back to me on this. Also, please feel free to leave a comment or two on my "discussion" page of either of the articles and as many of them as you wish.
- Don't get too concerned. This is a common misconception about Wikipedia and something I've been very vocal about fixing. Wikipedia is touted as an open-edit knowledgebase of the "sum of human knowledge" where people can simply add what they know about a particular subject to advance the goals of the project. However, saying this is interpreting our mission quite differently from the purpose of an encyclopedia: to collect already observed facts and research into a compilation for easy researchability and access. Wikipedia is not a primary source, or even a secondary source: it is a tertiary source where you come when you're starting a project or need general information about something. As such, original research is not really compatible with the project: it cannot be verified in reliable sources.
- For example, let's say you talked about a radio show on the network. 100 years down the line, you're dead, and the people that knew about the show are dead. How would you verify this information without a reliable source? Don't feel too bad - you made a common mistake. Now, how to fix the article - perhaps you should tag the article with {{db-author}} to get it speedily deleted, then work on it in your user subpage. If you register for an account, you can make subpages to work on articles outside of the main encyclopedia: for example, I can make a page at User:Wooty/blahblah to work on an article before I put it up. Then you can work on getting things backed up with references (I'm sure the stations in question all have some sort of source even verifying their basic existence) and get it to a point where you feel comfortable it meets our guidelines. -Wooty Woot? contribs 04:03, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Generations
look, we where looking up generations and i dont quite agree, how ever i couldnt seem to find a way of voicing my opinion other than this page. So if a grand mother has a child, will he or she be the same generation as the grandmothers grandaughter or grandson who might be at least 15 years older? please get back to me. =)
- Even though this is out of place, I will reply,
- First please sign all comments with four ~~~~ and include links back to the article you are talking about. discussions about articles should be made on the talk page that is attached to the article.
- Anyway, as to your question, age has nothing to do with generations. It is easy for uncles to be younger than their nephews and even great uncles thanb their great nephews. Age is not the factor, direct desendantship is. Dbiel 04:04, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] ALL MY EDITS ARE ALWAYS REMOVED.
I added external links to in "Lewisville, Texas" and "Flower Mound, Texas" for a Scout Troop, and both edits were removed. every time I add RELEVANT external links in any category, they are ALWAYS removed. Two other Flower Mound Scout Troops were listed under "Flower Mound, Texas" and they stayed, but not ours. Can you tell me why all my edits are always removed?—Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.170.181.119 (talk)
- Hi, another user has removed these edits. He left a message here: User_talk:71.170.181.119. You may not have seen this due to a bug with the messaging system. -- Hdt83 Chat 03:51, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
He removed two of them, but he specifically said, "I left your posts in Flower Mound, Texas and Lewisville, Texas alone." and those posts are also gone. LITERALLY EVERY TIME I ADD RELEVANT EXTERNAL LINKS, THEY ARE REMOVED WITHIN AN HOUR OR TWO... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.170.181.119 (talk)
- Being relevant to the topic is often not enough to satify our guidelines like Wikipedia:External links. A huge number of external links are added by inexperienced editors and later deleted, maybe not by the first editor who sees them. Wikipedia articles are not a collection of links. Other sites, for example Open Directory Project at http://dmoz.org, have it as their purpose to collect links. PrimeHunter 12:12, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
- Your second comment suggests that you think that the editor who reverted two edits and warned you also removed the other edits, despite claiming otherwise, which goes against AGF on your part. Contribution records and article history show that the other edits were reverted by other editors, not the editor who communicated with you. Adrian M. H. 18:10, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
I didn't realize such a record of edits existed - at least not one that was accessible to anyone. How is this record accessed, and who has the right to delete anything they choose?
In this case, below a listing for two other Scout Troops in a certain city, the listing I added for another Troop (in standard format, and below the others) was deleted. How is this acceptable? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.64.83.66 (talk • contribs).
- Each article has a history tab, click that and you can see all the edits made to the article (barring deleted and oversighted edits). Everyone has the right to delete text from the article, just that deleting text is not necessarily a good thing unless, say, it was unsourced stuff on a biography (which can be removed on sight). x42bn6 Talk Mess 21:18, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
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- I was the editor who removed the links to the local Scout troop from Flower Mound, Texas and Lewisville, Texas. In my edit summaries, I explained that I believed the local troop was not notable in itself, and that we shouldn't try to include links for every local organization in these two fairly large cities. However, I want to avoid any dispute over this minor issue, so I won't again revert the addition of these links. I have left a message at User talk:Mbradford (which I believe is the new username for the IP account) to this effect. The link farm on Flower Mound is much too large, in my opinion, but I'll let other editors sort it out. Casey Abell 06:12, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
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- Mbradford has removed my message from his user talk page, but it is easily available from the history page. [1] Another editor has removed the link to the local Scout troop from the Flower Mound article, [2] and he removed the link again after Mbradford restored it. [3] I agree with the removal, but I'm staying out of the dispute. Casey Abell 20:50, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
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- Another editor has removed the link to the local Scout troop from the Lewisville, Texas article. In a private email to Mbradford I tried to explain that Wikipedia editors were likely to remove such links. Two other editors have now left similar messages on his talk page about this issue. Casey Abell 14:49, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] avro arrow entry has been removed and replaced with obscene language
avro arrow entry has been removed and replaced with obscene language. Just informing anyone who cares.
Sinc. Rob N.
[edit] Japan
i have some quetion if you can help me please
1:what did Japan aim to achieve in its struggle for power? 2:what happened between 1894 and 1946? 3:what impact did the events have on Japan's people, its society and culture? 4:who played a vital role in the developments from 1894 to 1946?
Please use the Reference Desk. Thank you. PeaceNT 04:15, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
- See History of Japan. --Teratornis 03:28, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Radio Stations With NO WEBSITES
For this question, I would like to address User:Wooty but anyone could provide an answer to this question. Suppose I wanted to post articles about my favorite radio stations...but none of those radio stations had websites! It seems as though nearly every radio station I can find Wikipedia write-ups on are all stations that have websites (unless you can name some exceptions). It just so happens that neither of my favorite radio stations have websites (nor do any of them have much more than an FCC query record to prove their existence)! WXXS FM, for example, REALLY IS a 25,000 watt radio station but not even the official FCC records can prove this! But I actually go to Jefferson, New Hampshire every year and I specifically hear a recorded jingle that says, "25 thousand watts of power, The Biggest Music: Kiss 102 FM...on Kiss 102.3 WXXS Lancaster, Littleton, Saint Johnsbury"...but try finding that in a source! See what I mean? How frustrating!
Again, does the very fact that a radio station has NO WEBSITE and minimal record of existence effect its likelihood of being granted an article in Wikipedia? My answer: probably YES. Unless there is a way of working around this dilemma that I am just not thinking about. I am not an "experienced Wikipedian" so I would love to hear what such a person might do to work through this dilemma.
My favorite radio stations are pretty much those awkward, obscure, independently/locally-owned, family-operated radio stations that very few are truly familiar with...tucked away way-way-way off in low-populated areas. They just don't have the money to broadcast as far (nor to invest into building and maintaining websites). Any radio station's not having a website makes it very difficult for people outside the geographical confines of the stations' coverage areas to know much of anything about those stations! In my case, the owners often say they overlook web technology "deliberately". Many of these stations have awkward, quirky programming with very long-forgotten songs like Tonight and the Rest of My Life (by Nina Gordon), Where's The Party (by Madonna), or You're An Ocean (by Fastball) but one would actually have to travel to that radio station's service area to actually learn that for one's self!
Also, I actually have stored on my computer the logos for stations with no websites and minimal proof of existence. Due to my struggles in adhering to Wikipedia article-writing standards, however, image posting is the least of my concerns at this time.
- If there is nothing more than an FCC record to prove existence, they should not get an article. The subject of an article must meet a general notability standard, established by secondary sources. Basically, "A company, corporation, organization, group, product, or service is notable if it has been the subject of secondary sources." If there are no secondary sources, it is not notable and if there are no sources at all, not even a station website, the article would fail one of the most basic content policies we have, Verifiability. If there are no sources to do any more than establish existence, it is not verifiable. Mr.Z-mantalk¢ 06:26, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Correction of font for MoreGallons.com
How do we make the proper correction for MoreGallons.com ??? The bold header at the top of the page above the line "From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" is showing the MARK as Moregallons.com with a lower case "G". Can you help me. I am the the Chief Executive Officer for MoreGallons.com. Thank you, Leo Surprenant.
- Ok, I've fixed the title. However, the company doesn't appear to have any press coverage, accordingly I have tagged it for speedy deletion. Sorry. If there are sources demonstrating notability, then I would suggest you include them. Addhoc 10:49, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
- Or someone else should. Adrian M. H. 18:04, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Multilingual working
I have two questions about multilingual working.
(1) How do I put a tag on my page to say that I am a translator and the directions in which I translate? I am unfamiliar with how to use templates and tags
(2) Are the user names on each wikipedia (de.wikipedia, en.wikipedia, etc) completely distinct? It seems naively to me as if the simplest thing for me to do, having a username on en.wikipedia, is to use the same username on de., fr., it., etc. Does this make sense?
Thanks Alan XAX Freeman 07:50, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
- (1) I found this template: {{Translator|de|German}}. If you put it on your userpage, and replace the second and third field with whatever is correct, then it will give a userbox (tag) saying you translate between English and the language you wrote, both ways. I don't know if there is a more specific userbox for translation in a specific direction. I looked at some of the user pages of the people who have listed themselves at Wikipedia:Translators available, but I couldn't find anything. Maybe someone else here knows better.
- (2) For now the usernames are distinct. There has long been a plan to implement a 'single user login' where you can use one account to log in to all the projects, but it is not possible yet. It is indeed the simplest to use to the same username on the other projects where you need one. You will have to register it again there. ssepp(talk) 10:55, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
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- thanks. I am unfamiliar with the use of templates. I have seen that some users are able to place their tags on the right hand side of their page where it is less obtrusive. Any idea how I can do that? I haven't found the Wikipedia pages on templates very helpful: they seem to assume an initial level of knowledge I do not have. Alan XAX Freeman 18:32, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
- Hello, templates are a very general construct that can be used for many different things. Templates like the translator templates are usually called userboxes, and the main documentation is at Wikipedia:Userboxes. Section 4.2 is about grouping userboxes. I took the liberty to implement the method mentioned there on your userpage, I hope you don't mind. ssepp(talk) 08:23, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
- thanks. I am unfamiliar with the use of templates. I have seen that some users are able to place their tags on the right hand side of their page where it is less obtrusive. Any idea how I can do that? I haven't found the Wikipedia pages on templates very helpful: they seem to assume an initial level of knowledge I do not have. Alan XAX Freeman 18:32, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] pictures
nothing's wrong wis wikipedia..except that the pictures cannot be enlarged without becoming blurry...could u please fix that? thanks
- Hello, many of the pictures here can be enlarged without becoming blurry (just by left-clicking on them), but not all of them. The images are contributed by many different volunteers, and so the quality varies. If all images look blurry enlarged to you, there might be something wrong on your end. How are you enlarging the images? ssepp(talk) 10:36, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Delete account
How do I delete my account?
- You can't, but you can simply stop using it, you have the m:right to vanish. You can request that your user and user talk pages be deleted, by placing {{db-author}} on them, but the accoutn will still exist, because it is needed to identify the edits you have already made. DES (talk) 12:51, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Block
What do you guys mean with "soft block" (or ban) and "hard block" (or ban? Salaskan 14:29, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
- An anon-only block ("soft block") on an IP would allow registered users to edit via that IP, if they had already registered the account or register on a different computer. A "hard block" would prevent even registered users editing, unless they were administrators. Hope that helps! --ais523 14:30, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
- See also Wikipedia:Blocking policy#Setting block options and Wikipedia:Blocking IP addresses. PrimeHunter 16:34, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] "Non-English characters and filing"
Hi:
I recently added information to the Wiki article on Štvrtok na Ostrove. At first I did not think there WAS a Wiki on this Slovak village as I searched for it as Stvrtok na Ostrove (without the accented S) I only found it had an English entry thanks to a Google search.
I suspect most users who speak English would NOT use the accented S if searching for it but the Wiki index seems to treat accented letters differently from those without accents.
If this is true then I wonder if it can be fixed "globally" as most directories or other indexes file letter by letter and ignore accents. If the page was originally created incorrectly can you fix it, or tell me how to. (I guess I could make a "See Reference" but that seems rather messy.)
Cheers
David Reilly —Preceding unsigned comment added by DavidReilly (talk • contribs) 17:41, 26 May 2007
[edit] Updating airline destinations!!!
Hi,
I recently update some destinations for the airlines located at John F. Kennedy International Airport and the article was reverted back to the original. It kept telling me that I was vandalism and if I keep editing the article, it was revert beac to the original and it would block me from editing.
How can I update the destinations that was not list on these airlines from John F. Kennedy Inernational Airport?
- On the top of the article, you'll find a button that says "edit this page". Click on it, and make your edits. Make sure your information is backed with reliable sources. *Cremepuff222* "As cool as grapes..." 19:17, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Using an image from Wikimedia Commons that has the same file name as an image on Wikipedia
I wish to use this Commons image in an article; however, an image by this name already exists on Wikipedia, so whenever I try to add the former to an article, it displays the latter. Is there a simple way to get around this? And if not, is there a hard way? =) Cheers, -Panser Born- (talk) 19:12, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
- Well you can change the name of the Image that you want to upload by saving it to your desktop and renaming it the uploading it to Wikipedia and link the real destination of the pic in the sources and license it to commons ..--Cometstyles 19:20, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] User ID
How do I change my user id. I'd like it to be Joseph Yen (capped correctly).
- Since you are relatively new and have only 2 contributions, just create a new account with the name spelled correctly. -- Hdt83 Chat 20:28, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
- As long as your username is new with a small amount of edits you can request a username change at WP:RENAME. Scottydude talk 03:41, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] I can't stay logged in.
When I log in I get the message saying I have successfully logged in. But when I go to a page or go to edit it says I have not logged in and can only edit with my IP address visible.
This happens on Safari on my Mac, Firefox on my Mac and IE on my pc. I don't have any usual security settings in any of them, my computer accepts cookies.
This has been happening for weeks now. Any clues?
Same for me. Its cut out on two articles I was writing without any warning.
- See: Wikipedia:Technical FAQ#Hey! Why was I automatically logged out?. Also, search the Help desk for: stay logged in (this question comes up repeatedly). --Teratornis 02:24, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] lost articles and comments
ucanpreventbadhires@verizon.net 21:20, 26 May 2007 (UTC)I have twice attempted to 1. comment and 2. write an article, both completed and both disappeared. ndlicht
Why? Where are they?
- It would be hard to give you details without the name of the article. How long have you been registered? If you just registered you have to wait four days until you can write an article. Also, please sign your posts with --~~~~, it's easier and safer than putting your email here for bots to harvest. --Edwin Herdman 21:45, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
- See: Why was my article deleted?. --Teratornis 02:15, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] MoreGallons.com
MoreGallons.com was removed from Wikipedia, Why? How do we register MoreGallons.com back on to Wikipedia.
- It was deleted as "an article about a company that does not assert the importance or significance of the subject. (CSD A7)" by User:MaxSem. Please read our guidelines for inclusion at WP:CORP and understand that Wikipedia is not an advertising medium. -Wooty Woot? contribs 23:12, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
- You might also want to read Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. --Tugbug 23:27, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] to whom do i respond to this?
Just received this:
"Your edit to Anna Anderson
"Hi. Please do not add your personal — and unsourced — rants to an article. Such rants require to be written in a neutral point of view, and require sources, and must be somebody else's already published pov. If you feel that such a rant belongs in the article, please disscuss it on its talkpage, or dissucssion, page. Such addition is considered a violation of wikipedia's policies, including NPOV, verifiability, etc. It should also not be in ALL CAPS. This is not the way to edit an article. If you want to see the rantinfo in the article, please disscuss on its talkpage, and the community might decide to add it, but only if they find a reliable source, or you do, via Internet or books, or other media. Please read WP:ATT and all its associated pages for guidelines. If you want to experiment, please use the SANDBOX. Thank you. -- AstroHurricane001(T+C+U) 22:59, 26 May 2007 (UTC"
I scarcely know where to begin. I, personally, am (mis)quoted and "sourced" throughout the entirety your "Anna Anderson" exercise ("Supporters attempt to cling to hope," and so on). Works of mine (three that I can see) are "sourced," without anyone paying the slightest attention to what they actually say -- material that is amply documented in the original, you know, SOURCES. I am not "ranting" and I object to the term, especially as, in this particular case, your "volunteers" pay no attention whatsoever to the evidence as it is officially and legally recorded. You repeat every discredited story, every false rumor, and every dumb idea anyone ever had about Mrs. Anderson, but *I* am "ranting." Well ... I should know better than to try to correct anything on Wikipedia, which everyone knows is just a place to begin, in the hope that a couple of links might lead you to something real.
Any way to get THIS "rant" published? I very much doubt it. pk
- Calm down, there - not everyone knows what you're trying to do, and with the high amount of vandalism we get, sometimes edits intended to help can be identified as vandalism. If you were typing in all caps, I can see how a mistake may have been made. If you are trying to contribute, then you are very welcome to do so. You might want to try looking at some of our policy pages, first, though, just to make sure this sort of thing doesn't happen again. I've linked to a few below that might be useful to you in the future. If you need anything else, please don't hesitate to ask a question here, or add the template code {{helpme}} to your talk page, here.
- I hope this has helped. Hersfold (talk/work) 03:31, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] A-Team Episodes
I noticed that all A-Team Episodes which used to have their own page with plot summary, guest star appearances and other such information have been removed and now refer to the list of A-Team episodes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_A-Team_episodes).
This list of course does not provide a plot summary or other such information about episodes. Plenty of other television shows have an individual page for each episode, why were all the A-Team ones removed?
- User:TTN has mass-redirected TV episode articles for several TV shows with edit summary "Redirect per WP:EPISODE. Episode articles must be able to contain more information than a plot summary." [5] User talk:TTN shows that some editors disagree with the redirects. PrimeHunter 01:09, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
- In the meantime, you might try copying the episode articles to another wiki, for example, perhaps: The TV IV. Topic-specific wikis tend to be less fanatical about deleting useful content than Wikipedia often is. --Teratornis 04:53, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
- Thank you both for your replies. At least several of the episode pages did contain more information than a plot summary, such as for example changes in the theme music, the cast, and the general storyline. There certainly was potential for other information to be added as well (fan reception, references in popular culture etc.) I will check out the userpage of TTN. Thanks!
- In the meantime, you might try copying the episode articles to another wiki, for example, perhaps: The TV IV. Topic-specific wikis tend to be less fanatical about deleting useful content than Wikipedia often is. --Teratornis 04:53, 27 May 2007 (UTC)