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[edit] June 20

[edit] my page

how can I change my wikipendia page

Hello, if you are referring to your user page User:Dweeks09, you can edit it by clicking your name at the top or the link here and editing it. --Hdt83 Chat 00:31, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
And please add your signature to the end of your questions and comments on discussion pages. You can do this with four tildes - ~~~~. Corvus cornix 18:15, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] E-mail

Hi Wikipedia

My username: greg-nz

I have pushed the email new password button (repeatedly in frustration) and only got 1 reply. When I used the new password it didn't work. I would like to regain access to my account as I wish to add to some pages that are incomplete.

Regards

Greg Claridge

We get this kind of question frequently. There's no way for us at the help desk to find out your password or to send it to you. If the automated email system isn't doing the job, you should start a new account and pick up where you left off. You can redirect your old userpage to the new userpage so that people know who you are. For what it's worth, I don't see any edits in your contribution log for the last year, so you may have just forgotten the password or something. It's not a big deal. YechielMan 04:42, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Where is the article?

A few days ago, I traslated an article from English into Spanish (Aaron Austin), the article is already showing in the wikipedia in Spanish but when I'm at wikipedia in English, the only 2 languages this article is in are English and French, how can I add "Spanish" in the left column so when I click on it, it takes me to the Spanish article?? Thanks

Hi, to add a link to another language Wikipedia, add the following code[[es:''name of article in Spanish'']] to the English article. --Hdt83 Chat 02:39, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bookmarks / Favourites

Is it possible to "bookmark" articles of interest within one's Wikipedia account? I'm aware that specific pages can be bookmarked within a web-browser, but am wondering whether it can be bookmarked within Wikipedia so that one could access topics of interest (previously searched) from a remote computer.

I wish the Wikipedia has this function too, but it doesn't, to my knowledge. The best way I know is to (1) watchlist it, or (2) start up a user-sub-page with a list of your fav's on it. --Haemo 05:05, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
Yep. I use a combination of the watchlist and a sub-page to track stuff I want to work on, or just articles I want to follow. -- Kesh 05:33, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Recent Vandalism on my user page [Ticket#2007061510002946]

I last edited my user page on May 12, 2007 and when I checked the page on June 17, I found that it was vandalized. I previously contacted Wikipedia to investigate the vandalism, and my userpage was obviously deleted becasue someone has been cyberbullying me that began on another site and has been investigated by me, as well with local police (as I have printed off the cyberbully's activities.

Now as a news junkie and an irritated Wikipedian, I am required to get to the bottom of the dispute and get some answers, pursuant to Wikipedia's Dispute resolution, in which I have proof that I have been cyberbullied.


(Aeverine Frathleen Nieves 05:41, 20 June 2007 (UTC))

I don't see any vandalism, though I do see one deletion. If your page was vandalized and then deleted as nonsense by an admin who didn't notice that it was a vandalized version, then I sincerely apologize on their behalf as I'm sure it was unintentional.
If that doesn't answer your question, could you please clarify what you mean? --tjstrf talk 05:48, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, it looks like the page was deleted by admin Swatjester. The log isn't exactly clear why, though it looks like the problem was its content. See WP:NOT#BLOG, as user pages are not MySpace. -- Kesh 05:53, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
Your version of the page was deleted, not the vandalized one. Perhaps you might contact Swatjester and ask him directly. Peacent 07:28, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Accuracy of content/disputes

There are certain articles, I feel, that have been written by english speaking contributors that appear to be unfamiliar with the region on which they have chosen to write about. This region is for the most part Francophone, which explains why these articles have been quite honestly hijacked by certain eccentric, propagandist contributors that impose "original" sources, that once researched, are quite flawed. How can I tag an article, or grade one..as it were?—Preceding unsigned comment added by Mariam83 (talk • contribs) 06:01, June 20, 2007

It would help if you linked to the articles in question, as I'm not sure exactly what the contention is. -- Kesh 06:05, 20 June 2007 (UTC)


If there are particular facts you don't agree with, and aren't sourced, then use the {{fact}} tag. If the whole article is like that, use the {{sources}}, and possibly use the {{npov}} tag, after starting a discussion on the talk page. --Haemo 06:11, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] BOSON THEORY

it is said that bosons has 26 dimensions but actually there are only 4 dimensions in space viz x,y,z and time then remaining 22 are which ? are the ficticious?or real124.125.89.3 06:09, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Please address this to the reference desk. --Haemo 06:11, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Who says all dimensions have to be in space? - Mgm|(talk) 08:49, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
Also, what do you mean by "real"? Would you, for example, consider electrons to be "real"? Theories involving electrons explain lots of real, observable phenomena to high precision, but I cannot directly observe an electron the way I can observe, for example, a brick. It would also be easier to persuade primitive people that bricks exist than electrons. Physical theories have lots of terms with variables and coefficients and so on; some of the terms have a direct everyday physical meaning, while others may not directly represent things accessible in isolation to ordinary human senses. --Teratornis 13:54, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] printing

usually printing is done in black colour,but if i want to print the page in any other colour then how to change the settings to print the page in our desired colour, please give me the steps.124.125.89.3 06:15, 20 June 2007 (UTC)


Please address this to the reference desk. We only answer questions about Wikipedia. --Haemo 06:11, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Murugan N 06:26, 20 June 2007 (UTC)how to add a topic in wikipedia?

Murugan N 06:26, 20 June 2007 (UTC)how to add a topic in wikipedia?

If you are referring to creating a new article, then I suggest checking out Help:Starting_a_new_page for more information. Make sure that what you are submitting meets notability guidelines. --Hdt83 Chat 06:29, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] help me

jreferee :) muchos thanks for the choc chip cookies, but not so nice is the post i found from another source saying that my article on C.C. Saint-Clair would be deleted unless i admitted to having written myself and a few other things that i don't get. of course i wrote it myself. i don't get the question.


look, jreferee, can u tell me where on MYtalk i'm supposed to ask my questions to you? can't find either box or link. i need to add footnotes and i'll do that on the weekend - after i figure out how to do it. i really need your help to make the article as solid as needed. getting this done is a lot more complex than i thought :)Soulward 07:22, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Click jreferee's name, then click "talk" at the top of the page. I don't, however, see this other comment you're talking about. --Haemo 07:27, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Budgets

I am an accounts assistant working for an intergovernmental/ Not-for-Profit organization. My boss currently asked me to prepare a suplementary budget for the organization to be discussed in a high profile meeting. What is the best approach to use in making the suplementary budget and are their any details that are crucial when preparing this document?Vivian-kobe 07:26, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi - you're looking for the reference desk. We answer questions about Wikipedia. --Haemo 07:28, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] help me

jreferee :) muchos thanks for the choc chip cookies, but not so nice is the post i found from another source saying that my article on C.C. Saint-Clair would be deleted unless i admitted to having written myself and a few other things that i don't get. of course i wrote it myself.

"If you upload a file here to which you hold the copyright, you must license it under a free license or release it into the public domain." I don't 'hold' a copyright as such but is the copyright in this case simply (c)soulward 2007?

look, jreferee, can u tell me where on MYtalk i'm supposed to ask my questions to you? can't find either box or link. i need to add footnotes and i'll do that on the weekend - after i figure out how to do it. i really need your help to make the article as solid as needed. getting this done is a lot more complex than i thought :)Soulward 07:28, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Okay, it sounds like you're trying to upload an image, am I right? What is the origin of the picture you're trying to upload? --Haemo 07:32, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] .GPRS TLD

What have you to comment on .gprs TLD ?

Nothing at all because this is a help desk designed to help people use wikipedia and not answer those sorts of questions? you might want to try the reference desk that is linked at the top of this page. --Fredrick day 08:32, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] cant find a page

hi I m Kanwal Khurshid from Karachi Pakistan.08:30, 20 June 2007 (UTC)I tried to find out the page for joining wikipedia foundation but cant find it can you people help me on this matter08:30, 20 June 2007 (UTC).thanx

Well, you have an account, so you're already a part of Wikipedia. Does that answer your question? --Haemo 08:34, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Which is the only sport where left hand is not used?

Which is the only sport where left hand is not used?

Hi - this help desk is designed to answer questions about wikipedia not general knowledge/pub quiz type questions. You will have better luck asking people at the reference desk (linked at the top of this page). --Fredrick day 09:06, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

I have to wonder about the stipulation: only. Suppose one finds a sport where the left hand is not used. To prove it is the only sport where the left hand is not used, one would have to identify all other sports and show that the left hand is used in each of them. That would pose several difficulties, such as defining exactly what is sport, determining whether two similar sports or separate events within a given sport count as one sport or two, and examining all human cultures in enough depth to identify and analyze all their sports. There are some Irish dance competitions in which competitors appear to make no use of either hand; would that count? --Teratornis 18:07, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
No matter what the sport is, the competitors will probably use their left hand for something, if only to improve their balance when moving. The only foolprof answer would be Sinister amputee ball, a hypothetical sport where the amputation of your left hand is a requirement to play. --tjstrf talk 18:15, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
But couldn't submitting one's left hand for amputation be considering "using" it? Perhaps a better example might be competitive yodeling. Is the spelling bee considered a sport? --Teratornis 16:59, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
Or how about Dog racing? Greyhounds do not have hands, therefore in greyhound races the left hand is not used. --Teratornis 17:01, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
The amputation isn't part of the sport itself, it's a prerequisite that must have been done before you can enter. So hah! :P
Also, I've seen spelling bee contestants drumming the fingers of their left hand during the game, which I'm pretty sure qualifies as using it. --tjstrf talk 20:10, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] help me

Haemo, hi, no, no image for now, tho i'd like to post an image but woh! it all appears way too complicated.

it's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C.C._Saint-Clair. jreferee has already cleaned it up & put it in sections, so if u read this, jreferee, thanks heaps for that :)

for now haemo, u see anything else that's needed to avoid deletion? do i really need footnotes or am i freaking out about nothing real? Soulward 09:07, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

It sounds like you're asking someone to review the article, right? The best places to enlist help for that are on the article's Talk page or the LGBT studies Talk page, rather than here. I took a quick look and it appears you have an excellent start on using the WikiPorject Biography guidelines to producing a good article. At this point I would either create some text to go with the section headings lacking content or remove them until you have suitable, referenced material to insert. Also, review how to create footnotes for citations so you can format the inline cites correctly. Good luck. Jim Dunning | talk 19:13, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Multiple infoboxes

How can I place info-boxes side-by-side instead of one below another (which is the default layout when there are more than one info-boxes) ? -- Myth (Talk) 09:47, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

The placement of the Infoboxes is usually a parameter in the template definition, something you wouldn't want to change for a one-off instance. You could try arranging them in individual cells in a table, although the html and css rendering in various browsers could be unpredictable or downright ugly (it might work, though). Experiment with this in a Sandbox first, though, before trying it in the article itself. I have to ask whether multiple Infoboxes in an article is advisable, since they are intended to summarize; multiple boxes seems to defeat this purpose. Maybe you could consider presenting the desired information in another format? Good luck. Jim Dunning | talk 18:52, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
I guess my use of word info-box was misleading. What I meant was navigation boxes (e.g. the article on love has two such boxes). I will try playing around I the sandbox. Thanks. -- Myth (Talk) 20:09, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
I see what you mean. Technically, my response still applies, but in looking at it I'm not sure you need to do anything. You still could remove a nav boxes and put the links in a "See also" at the bottom. A quick review strikes me that the "Close relationships" box may not be very relevant to the Love article. Jim Dunning | talk 20:21, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
Moving them inside a table works fine. Thanks for the help. -- Myth (Talk) 20:57, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] help

I am looking a way to have, a word typed in English and then been written, say in Hindi, Gujerati, or Tamil. Any clues, or sites where I can have this?

Look forward to some feedback!

Thanks in Advance

how to check our mail

There are ways of doing this, but the help desk is for questions about using Wikipedia. Sorry. YechielMan 13:10, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] CPDL

Could someone tell me why CPDL isn't working, and when it will be back up and running? Thanks193.128.104.10 10:41, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Please tell us what you mean by CPDL. Is it one of the two items at CPDL? If so, this is probably a question for the reference desk. YechielMan 13:06, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Is this a good summarization?

Summary: Sivaji_(film)#Soundtrack Main Text: Sivaji:_The_Boss_(soundtrack)

I was wondering if I should remove the album infobox from the summary. And yes I know the main text looks a bit "bad"... ~~ AVTN Talk 11:17, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

If you're asking for someone to review the article, the article's Talk page is probably the place to start. You could also try recruiting reviewers at WikiProject Indian cinema, or more specifically its Talk page. Ultimately, if you feel the article is in pretty good shape, you could request a Peer review by placing {{peerreview}} on the article's Talk page (although given the sheer number of maintenance tags on the article, you may want to hold off awhile on that step). Jim Dunning | talk 18:40, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Graphical representation of links between pages

This might be difficult but I would like to show the links from a given page to other pages.

This would look something like a "mind map" with a central theme and branches (and sub-branches) running off.

Clearly this could get very complex for the whole of Wikipedia but I would like to show the 'islands' of knowledge making up an archepelago. I want to show the 'clotting' around a theme and the non-linear relationship.

I assume that the number of sub-branches would have to be limited!

SteveG

I don't really understand your suggestion, but we try to keep pages organized by Wikipedia:Categories and Special:Whatlinkshere for each page. You can refer your idea to the village pump. YechielMan 13:08, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
We have something like this running on the toolserver, I saw it a few weeks ago but I don't recall the name. I'd assume they have a search feature or something though. Sorry I can't give you any better pointer than that. --tjstrf talk 18:21, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
Take a look at this image which shows links associated to several core themes. Each core can have links between them. I want to try to do this graphically for wiki links [1]

SteveG —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.6.25.118 (talk • contribs)

See User:John Broughton/Editor's Index to Wikipedia#Bro which has a link to Wikipedia Explorer. --Teratornis 17:18, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Can you delete the artcle I created 'Rehbar-1'.

Similar information has alreday been post in the SUPARCO article. If not, can you please rename the article as 'Rehbar - I'. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dildar Hussain (talk • contribs)

I have requested the article be deleted for you under the speedy deletion criterion 'author request'. In future you can request the deletion of articles that you have created and have been the only significant author to by placing {{db-author}} at the top of the article. Happy editing, mattbr 14:27, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
An administrator declined deletion, so I have moved the page to Rehbar-I. If you still wish to have it deleted place {{db-author}} at the top of the article. mattbr 14:58, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Thank You DH

[edit] Image manipulation?

I want to better illustrate the article on Omaha Beach by taking the map that is already displayed there, cropping it a little, and using a graphics program to highlight individual sectors of the beach (fading the rest of the image) as they come up in the article. Am I permitted to do this or will this breach any copyright? --FactotEm 12:33, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

There's no issue with copyright. We have a number of different licensing formulas on Wikipedia (fair use, public domain, GFDL, etc.) so if you're editing an image that's already in the article, you're either adapting a copyrighted image which has already been approved, or you're creating a free image. I'm not sure which, but either way it's okay. Just leave a note on Talk:Omaha Beach to explain what you're doing. YechielMan 13:02, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
Great. Thanks for the swift answer. --FactotEm 13:49, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Canberra Knights

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canberra_Knights

I created this page and have added a substantial amount of information to it, how do I get it out of the stub class? I know for sure that it is no longer a stub classed article.

Right now, it's not marked as a stub. We try to avoid instruction creep, so there are no firm rules about what is and isn't a stub. If you think your article is not a stub, be bold and remove the stub tag yourself. That's how the wiki is meant to work! YechielMan 13:04, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

How would i go about doing that? User:Tnbyrnes

Actually the stub marking is not on Canberra Knights itself, but on its talk page: Talk:Canberra Knights in the form of this template call:
{{ice hockey|class=stub}}
Obviously you want to change the class=stub part to: class=something else. See the {{Ice hockey}} template for details, and Wikipedia:WikiProject Ice Hockey/Assessment. You (Tnbyrnes) should probably join Wikipedia:WikiProject Ice Hockey. --Teratornis 14:06, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Clicking an Image to go to another page instead of description page

Is there any way that I can link an image to another page other than its descrtiption page? I want to be able for the picture to take the viewer to another link internally but with more information about the subject instead of just where the page lives.

While it may be technically possible to do this, it is strongly discouraged on Wikipedia. Image-only links can make it much more difficult for the visually-impaired to use Wikipedia, and can be confusing even for those with good vision (see mystery meat navigation). Such links would be prone to sneaky vandalism (a vandal could surreptitiously change the linked target of the image). Finally, since linking through an image is not done elsewhere in Wikipedia articles, it's apt to generate confusion among regular readers of Wikipedia ("Can I click on this image? How about this one? Or this one? There was that one article where I had to click images...." or worse, "How the heck to get to the other articles? All I can see is a bunch of pictures...."). TenOfAllTrades(talk) 13:23, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
While it's strongly discouraged here, you might take a look at Template:Click, which is made for this purpose. Freestyle 14:53, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Move tab?

Why don't I see the move tab on articles? --Foucault's Folly 14:04, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

You have to be autoconfirmed before you can move pages, and this happens 4 days after your account was created. As you only registered ~12 hours ago, your account is not yet autoconfirmed. Before that happens, if you need a page moving, you can ask another editor to move it for you (such as on the talk page or if you post it here), list the page at WP:RM or wait until the 4 days have passed (see Help:Moving a page for instructions). Please be cautious of moving popular pages, and check the talk page and article history before you do. Hope that helps, mattbr 14:18, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Biography of David Hoon Kim, fiction, New Yorker magazine

When and where in South Korea was he born, parentage, siblings. The New Yorker published his first story in the june 18-25 issue. Has he been published elsewhere? Subject/brief summary of previous stories.

71.232.110.242 14:47, 20 June 2007 (UTC)paula.c–

Unfortunately Wikipedia does not have an article on David Hoon Kim, so you might be able to find the information you want by using a search engine such as Google or you could ask the question at the reference desk where they specialize in answering knowledge questions (this page is for questions about using Wikipedia). Hope that helps, mattbr 15:28, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] John Alder (Twink) of the Pink Fairies

I would like to know if Johnny Alder is still performing and if so is it possible to tell me who with and where.

I am an old friend and have not seen him in over twenty years. Thank you

Regards


Les Aves —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.145.66.155 (talk • contribs).

You might be able to find the information you want by following the links in the article Twink (musician), by using a search engine such as Google or you could ask the question at the entertainment reference desk. Hope that helps, mattbr 15:21, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] amarkantak

I want details about the place amarkantak in madhya pradesh state of india —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 122.164.74.147 (talk • contribs).

See the article Amarkantak. mattbr 15:13, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Template for major editing task-many edits made in short period of time-warning to other editors

Hey, I was wondering what the template is that goes on the front page of an article to let other editors know that major changes are temporarily being made to the article. I have seen this on other articles before but I don't know where to go to find it. I want to overhaul the references to an article (about 70) to bring it up to good article status. However, I don't want to disrupt other editors (edit conflicts and so forth). Hope I made my request clear as it is not the most common template. Thanks. Turtlescrubber 16:03, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

{{inuse}} should suit your needs, and you can provide a description of what you are doing on it and how long for. Hope that helps, mattbr 16:17, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, that was what I was looking for. Turtlescrubber 16:20, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
You could also consider using a Sandbox for your drafts, which will allow you to work free from other editors' interruptions. Once satisfied with your efforts, you can copy them into the article. Jim Dunning | talk 17:47, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Title Case

Why does Wikipedia tell users to ignore basic grammatical principles when creating titles? Titles are capitalized unless they contain and, but, or, or other short words.Antigone28 17:06, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

This is the general convention in encyclopedias; it also allows us to have both Supermassive black hole, an astrophysical phenomenon, and Supermassive Black Hole, a song, without having to add disambiguators (such as 'Supermassive Black Hole (Astrophysics)' and 'Supermassive Black Hole (song)'). Veinor (talk to me) 17:13, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
WP:TITLE and WP:CAPS could do a better job of justifying Wikipedia's peculiar convention for title case. I'm used to the convention now, but it looked strange to me when I was new here, and I inadvertently violated the title case convention in some of my early edits. Wikipedia's title case convention also creates a bit of a problem for corporate wikis that run on the MediaWiki software and more or less follow other Wikipedia guidelines. As the corporate wiki administrator, does one try to persuade all users to follow Wikipedia's convention for title case? That's what I have tried to do on the corporate wikis I administer, with mixed results (because the corporate wikis are the first wikis most of my users have edited on, so there is no community of Wikipedia-trained users to "ride herd"). It would help if WP:CAPS contained a section making a more convincing case for Wikipedia's title case. My fallback argument in the corporate wiki context is basically this: Wikipedia is a leading example (possibly the pre-eminent example) of an extremely well-run wiki. The people who run Wikipedia almost certainly know a lot more about how to run a wiki than we (the relatively inexperienced corporate wiki users) do. Therefore, we should follow Wikipedia's ways unless we really know what we are doing and we have overriding reasons to do things differently. It's cheaper for us to learn from Wikipedia's experience than to repeat the process of trial and error that led to Wikipedia's current guidelines. --Teratornis 17:48, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] possible stealth vandal: asian characters expert

i don't know where else to go with this, so i'm posting here for assistance and/or direction:

Iokseng (talk · contribs) has been making suspicious edits to articles using asian characters. once such edit was made to the article Double Fifth, which i know to be incorrect, and quite possibly vandalism. i've reverted the changes on that page, but if there's someone who can point me in the right direction to find someone to check up this dude, it would be great. --emerson7 | Talk 18:21, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

I checked his contributions, and he's doing good work. He's adding interwiki links from articles in the English Wikipedia to articles in the Chinese Wikipedia, and removing such links where he considers them inaccurate. It's possible that he may have made one or two mistakes, and if you think so, you should ask him on his talk page. In general, though, he's a good faith editor.
Generally, queries of this nature belong at WP:ANI. YechielMan 19:59, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lyrics on song pages

On a few pages about songs, lyrics have been removed. I wanted to know if it was inappropriate to put lyrics so I could remove them if I see them again. Thanks! --Mlle thenardier 18:29, 20 June 2007 (UTC)Mlle Thenardier

Lyrics are copyrighted, and should not be included unless there is a discussion about the lyrics (and then only those lyrics which are being discussed). Or if the lyrics are out of copyright, depending on their age, or have been put into the public domain, like possibly national anthems. Such articles as "We Didn't Start the Fire" and "American Pie" discuss the lyrics, so there they can be considered fair use. Corvus cornix 18:37, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
See also Wikipedia:Lyrics and poetry. PrimeHunter 18:45, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for that, PrimeHunter, I never knew that page existed. Corvus cornix 22:08, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Numbering Items

Please help me figure out how to number items and create sub numbered items in a document. Here is how the numbers would have to format -

1 Overview
1.1 Requirements
1.1.1 First Requirement
1.1.2 Second Requirement
1.1.3 Third Requirement
1.2 Deferred Requirements
1.2.1 First Deferred Requirement

Does wikipedia have some numbering method that allows for these number to be automatically assigned in the text of a document? Using the number sign does not accommodate this need, and I can't find a solution yet.

Your help would be greatly appreciated!!!!

75.82.202.78 18:49, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

There isn't a way to place section number into the text of a document unless you do it by hand. However, the table of contents automatically inserts a numbered contents list in exactly the way you describe. Look at any long article - for example, History of Australia - and you will see.
The way to produce differential headings in the table of contents is to use increasing numbers of = signs at the top of each section. Thus:

[edit] Major section

(Two == on each side of the headline text.)

[edit] Subsection

(Three ===.)

[edit] Detail 1

(Four ====.)

[edit] Detail 2

(Again four ====.)

For further information, please see Wikipedia:Manual of Style. YechielMan 19:53, 20 June 2007 (UTC)


The way to do this is to go to your preferences page (you need to be logged in). click on the Misc tab and select Auto-number headings. Save your preferences. Now you can see the numbering on the section and sub-sections. Hope this helps. -- Myth (Talk) 20:23, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism, or helpful?

I have seen tons of Talk Pages with LOADS of forum-like topics. Would it be vandalism to delete these "Forum" topics? ~Crowstar~ 19:21, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Removing off-topic conversation is not vandalism. Friday (talk) 19:23, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. ~Crowstar~ 20:06, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] COI and Starting a page

I work for a non-profit organization similar to CARE. I noticed that CARE has an entry in Wikipedia. I would like to put up an entry for my organization as well. However, I noticed that you discourage people with CoI from editing existing pages. Should I assume that this also extends to entering new pages? Would it be appropriate to request the page be developed?

Yes, in fact I would say it applies even more to starting a new page. Whereas it can be innocuous to correct a plain factual inaccuracy, for example, in a pre-existing page, creating a page from scratch is much more extensive. You can request that someone else create an article at Wikipedia:Articles for creation. However, this does not guarantee that someone will create it. Eventually, if there are enough reliable sources on the organization and it is notable enough, someone will create the article. —Centrx→talk • 20:26, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
(edit confilct) It is not recommended to create or edit any article as per conflict of interest. Even the most careful editor can make something they are involved in not quite Neutral Point of view. It is best to leave it. Anyway, someone else can create it. You can also list it on Wikipedia:Requested articles and someone will then spot it and sort it out for you. :) Stwalkerster talk 20:28, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
Also, if you look on Wikipedia:Articles for creation, it's got a big warning about most articles being rejected. In your case, you need to consider the notability guideline for corporations (not precisely for an NPO but roughly equivalent) and whether your organisation meets the requirements - mainly, are there multiple non-trivial references in reliable third-party sources (e.g. newspaper or magazine articles) that you can provide to back up any claims in the article? Confusing Manifestation 22:40, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Editing Help

I'm trying to find an article, but am not having any luck. I have seen it before but I have no idea what I searched for.

Basically, it was an article that talked about how people should not edit box scores or sports information while the event was occurring. That it was policy to update it after it occurred, that way there was not tons of edits, and just one big one. For example, a baseball game. It would be better to edit the box score for all innings when the game was final, instead of making an update every half inning, which would make it over 20 edits to one part of an article.

Let me know if this isn't clear. Thanks in advance for the help.

I don't know whether there is guideline speaking directly about this. I have seen discussion at Talk:2007 NBA Playoffs#Why no updating of score, and User talk:Soxrock/Archive 1#Updating scores (and later sections). WP:NOT#PUBLISHER is sometimes quoted by opponents. It does not mention sports scores. PrimeHunter 21:31, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
See also Wikipedia talk:What Wikipedia is not#question about WP:NOT#PUBLISHER. PrimeHunter 21:36, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mapping

I want to make a map depicting the extent of a region defined by a list of geographic coordinates corresponding the the region's vertices. I want to overlay this region onto a map of Canada that includes waters right up to the North Pole. This is where I need help: does anyone know of a good SVG source of a map of Canada that I can use for this? Also, is there any good freeware mapping software for Mac OS X? Sancho 20:40, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Not sure, but there is a WikiProject Maps where someone might be able to help. Adrian M. H. 20:47, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
You may find free mapping software at Category:Free GIS software. See User:John Broughton/Editor's Index to Wikipedia#Map for a list of links compiled by several Wikipedia users relating to maps on Wikipedia. For example, you may find these links useful: Wikipedia:Blank maps, Category:Wikipedia requested maps, and Wikipedia:Producing maps with xplanet. --Teratornis 13:47, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
The Scalable Vector Graphics article does not (yet) mention mapping or cartography, but this Google Search on Wikipedia for: Web mapping finds many links to images in SVG format, many of which appear to be geographic maps. You might contact some of the editors who uploaded those maps and ask how they made them. Or just read the comments on the image pages and look for clues about the software they used, and where they obtained the map data. --Teratornis 13:56, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] This is absolutly ridicilous

I have been looking through your articles about Zimbabwe and South Africa, All incorrect! What is Pomping? I want to talk to a Zimbabwen or South African admin or editor to discuss my proposed chances. Where can I find one? Thank You --Zwerrifringweraand 21:25, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Use article talk pages for discussing changes to the articles. Friday (talk) 21:26, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
Thank you --Zwerrifringweraand 21:28, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
Also see Wikipedia:WikiProject Zimbabwe; you could join the projectYou already joined the project, so you might list your proposed changes on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Zimbabwe. There is also a Wikipedia:WikiProject South Africa. --Teratornis 13:58, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Protocols

protocols —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.225.129.125 (talk)

Do you have a question? PrimeHunter 21:39, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
The Protocol article lists several kinds of protocols and links to articles about them, which should answer many possible questions about protocols. --Teratornis 14:01, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] about john keats

give me some beautiful poems of JOHN KEATS ABOUT BEAUTY —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.220.222.140 (talk)

Perhaps you can find useful links in John Keats. PrimeHunter 21:43, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
Wikisource:Author:John Keats, from Wikisource --h2g2bob (talk) 23:46, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] IPS

THE LAW THAT TOOK PLACE REGARDING THE IPS SCHOOLS WEARING SCHOOL UNIFORMS DO THAT INCLUDE THE HIGHSCHOOLS ALSO?

Please don't type all in capital letters LIKE THIS, on the internet it's equivalent to shouting. Second, this is the Help Desk for asking about Wikipedia-related information. The Reference Desk handles other knowledge-related questions. Thirdly, I have no clue what IPS schools are. From looking at IPS, do you mean Indianapolis Public Schools, Marion County, Indiana? In which case, this document suggests that they do. Confusing Manifestation 22:36, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Template that lets you show how to use a template

I think I've seen a template that allows you to essentially "quote" a template and demonstrate template usage: e.g.

{{foo|holdon}}

would expand to something like

{{[[Template:holdon|holdon]]}}

and the { and }s would come through as actual characters, instead of being treated as a template. (And, without the ugliness of pre tags, so you could use it inline in a sentence). Does this actually exist? I did some digging in the docs but couldn't find anything, but I'm not really sure what to search for, so I came here. Thanks! Iknowyourider (t c) 23:40, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

{{tl}} and {{tlx}} --h2g2bob (talk) 23:42, 20 June 2007 (UTC)