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[edit] How do I add a new page?

hello, i have a problem - i don't know where to start to create a page - i uploaded an image but i can't seem to add a text to it ! i'm lost

Here are two links that may help you: Help:Starting a new page and Wikipedia:Your first article. Also, to add a page, start by searching for the page on Wikipedia. Unless the page already exists (in which case you don't need to create it!), the search will fail. One of the links on the resulting page will be a red link that you can click on to create the page. Hope this helps. --Tkynerd 00:22, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] grants

68.36.45.130 01:32, 12 June 2007 (UTC)In N.J. what governmental agency receives requests for grants and then issues the grant. Are there any internet info where one can find who has received grants and the amounts thereof?68.36.45.130 01:32, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions, and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that's what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps. Hersfold ^(talk/work) 02:12, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

I've copied this question to Wikipedia:Reference desk/Miscellaneous#grants, where you might be more likely to get a response. -- Rick Block (talk) 02:15, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Images w/false tags

What do I do with images that appear to have false license declarations/tags? In this case, I am concerned about Image:Hot16-mixtape.jpg, in which I doubt whether the user in question actually created the image. Astrovega 02:22, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Procedurally, such images are generally listed on IFD. If the source (or one of the sources) of the image is/are non-free, this makes the image non-free. However, this image actually looks free, but is probably unencyclopedic, since its subject does not appear to be notable. Of course, another good way to resolve the problem is to contact the user, explain the problem, and work out a solution (if the user is open to that). Gracenotes^T § 02:31, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

I suppose you could also use Wikipedia:Possibly unfree images. Peacent 03:16, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

There's the {{PUIDisputed}} tag, as well. Corvus cornix 15:54, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tags for hiding text

I noticed that some templates on Wikipedia have this "show/hide" button. Are there tags which can be used to show/hide text in an article? For example, I'd like to include a mathematical derivation in an article, but not have it overwhelm the rest of the content. Advice? --HappyCamper 02:39, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Make a table like this:

{| class="wikitable collapsible collapsed" style="width: 100%"
! Title here
|-
| Text here
|}

style="width: 100%" makes it go across the whole page, wikitable makes the table gray colours, collapsible makes it show/hide and collapsed makes it hidden to start with. --h2g2bob (talk) 02:50, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

The buttons are added by a script, located at MediaWiki:Common.js (see "Collapsible tables"). The details are too complicated and messy, but you can hide text using the above syntax.

I would advise not using the hidden section if there is a chance that a user could go to the article and want to learn about the mathematical derivation (I know that I usually do). It's generally discouraged, even for long, cumbersome sections. But, it is an editorial decision to make. Gracenotes^T § 02:53, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Wow! Quick responses! Actually, it was my intention to have the derivation show up by default. Could you tell me the keyword to use for this? --HappyCamper 02:55, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Sure. The syntax is this:

<div class="NavFrame"><div class="NavHead">Derivation of (X)</div>
<div class="NavContent">
Insert proof here
</div></div>

The result is this:

Derivation of (X)

Insert proof here

The style for NavFrames is:

        margin: 0px;
        padding: 4px;
        border: 1px solid #aaa;
        text-align: center;
        border-collapse: collapse;
        font-size: 95%;

The style for NavHead:

        height: 1.6em;
        font-weight: bold;
        background-color: #ccf;
        position:relative;

And for NavContent:

        font-size: 100%;

These can be overridden with CSS. If you need help doing that, just indicate how you want to look. Gracenotes^T § 03:23, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

By the way, see WP:NAVFRAME for general information; the javascript code is at MediaWiki:Common.js, and the CSS classes are at MediaWiki:Common.css. Gracenotes^T § 03:24, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] create a new page

1. I have installed wiki, now I need to add new pages.

2. How to rename Main Page title.

1. Please see Help:Starting a new page and Wikipedia:Your first article

2. If you're asking about the Main page (?), it shouldn't be renamed. In general, you could rename pages by moving them to the new titles.

Peacent 02:46, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Do you mean you've got your own webserver and have installed the MediaWiki software which Wikipedia uses? --h2g2bob (talk) 02:52, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

To answer your questions, assuming that you use MediaWiki:

I generally create pages by searching for them. If they do not exist, a red link will appear close to the top of the screen on the search page. Click on the red link, and you can edit the page and create it.
To change the title of the Main Page, do two things:
1. Move the page called Main Page to the title you want it to be. By default, the "move" tab is at the top of the page for logged-in users, next to "edit this page", "history", etc. If the Main Page is protected, then you can only do this if you are logged in as an administrator of your wiki.
2. Then, find a page called MediaWiki:Mainpage. It should contain the text Main Page. Change the text of the page called MediaWiki:Mainpage to the new title of the main page, and that title will appear in the sidebar. Once again, you can only do this if logged in as an administrator.

Hopefully this answers your questions. Gracenotes^T § 03:00, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

You might find the MediaWiki handbook useful too. --saxsux 18:46, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] want to add picture to biography

Hi, I am trying to adda picture I uploaded on Wikipedia to the Biography. The picture is on Wikipedia as Wayne Hardin and Roger Staubach.jpg but I want the pciture to show up on the biography page of Wayne Hardin.

Can you do this? I could not figure it out. It is from a December 2, 1963 picture in Sports Illustrated on Page 32. Thanks! John —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jcthomasjr (talk • contribs)

Please see Help:Image#Linking. Also, I notice the image you uploaded currently provides no source or license, please read WP:IUP and WP:TAG and consider adding the source from which you take that image, otherwise it would be deleted. Peacent 03:22, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Template?

I seem to remember a series of warning template saying not to remove the sandbox head or put offensive content in it but now I can't find them. Does anybody know of these? Help is appreciated. Cheers, JetLover (Talk) (Sandbox) 03:33, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Template_messages/Project_namespace#Projects shows an entry for {{Sandboxpaste}}. I don't know whether that is what you want. --Teratornis 05:43, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] i want to download the games in my computer folder

If you have a question about using or editing Wikipedia, please ask it here. If you have a question that is not about Wikipedia, it may be appropriate at one of the Wikipedia:Reference desks.—WAvegetarian (talk) 03:55, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Demographics

Recently, User:Nyttend has removed the demographics section from a large amount of Ohio town articles. Is there a Wikipedia policy related to this section? Are there plans to remove all of them, or is it only this user? Is the section even useful? 71.31.149.98 03:49, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

This user should have started a discussion somewhere prior to beginning this campaign of removal. Every US city and town has a demographics section, and to remove it from a subset would be to disrupt the standard layout of the articles. If he/she has no consensus to support the deletions, they should be restored. Corvus cornix 15:57, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

This IP should have been more accurate. I removed the section from two township articles (see civil township if you're unsure what I'm meaning). I've never been able to find detailed demographics for townships from the Census Bureau, and the section I deleted in one township (Claridon Township) claimed to be Census-Bureau based. Unless a source can be found for this information, I don't believe it proper to include. In the other township (Bainbridge Township), the article was about the township, but the demographics that I removed were those of a census-designated place, Bainbridge, within the township — because the article, although it was supposed to be about the township, mostly discussed the CDP. This is as if an article on New York, instead of discussing the state, discussed New York City and had its demographics instead. And by the way, the IP also deleted a section on the township names — against what is the norm in all Ohio townships that aren't tiny stubs. Nyttend 01:37, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

By the way, demographics articles are added to articles on municipalities and CDPs — Ohio townships don't have this information, because of their legal status. Most Ohio township articles, in fact, were created this year, not a few years ago when most US place articles were created. Nyttend 01:54, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Possible page eligable for speedy deletion.

I noticed a page that was called sometthing along the lines of 'the kung foo mummy' i accidently refreshed the page and lost the link, from what i saw of the text (it was a new page so it showed the new text) it seemed to be spam, please do the appropriate action.Ω§|Blacksmith2 06:16, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

The kung fu mummy, it does need something done for it.--Commander Keane 09:06, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] my userpage/TOTD

at the top of my user page, i just put a tip of the day box, but i want it aligned to the right so that is could be next to the table of contents or whatever thats called. could someone show me how or just do it for me? Maddie ^{was here} 07:11, 12 June 2007 (UTC) right now you may have problems with this but lets have a go.type in <h2 style="font-weight:bold; border: 0px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; font-size:100%;">Column Name</h2></div> <div class="" style="padding: 2px; background-color:#fff; font-size: 90%;"> *{{totd}} </div> </div> try it out and look in Wikipedia:Tip of the day/July 21, 2006 for different templates, dont worry about the date they have thereΩ§|Blacksmith2 07:57, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Finding old responses to a question to the reference desk

Hello, First, thank you for taking the time to read this and answer! I posted a question to the reference desk and got two replies. I wanted to see if more replies came, but now I can only see the questions starting on June 9. I posted June 6. Is there an archive? I can't find a way to get there. Thanks!

Yes, there is an archive :) Peacent 08:56, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Creating new page.....

Hi there. I'm new to wikipedia and want to make a new page about a band "RESISTANTS!" How to do create an entirly new page? Thanks

Please make sure the band meets WP:BAND, and if so, see Help:Starting a new page and Wikipedia:Your first article next. Hope this helps Peacent 08:52, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Creating a new page is easy! You put in the name of the new page in the search box and press go. You will come to a page that tells you it is not found, with a link to create this page. To make it even easier for you, a WP:REDLINK will point directly to the blank new page, like this: Resistants!. As a side note, wikipedia is becoming more an more strict on what pages to include. Have a look at WP:BAND first to check if your band meets the notability guidelines. If you are in the band yourself, WP:COI and WP:PEACOCK may also apply. That beinng said, I don't want to deter you to start exploring the wonders that is Wikipedia. So if you feel Resistants! deserves a page, by all means make it. But if it doesn't meet with the notability guidline in WP:BAND you could find your page deleted. If you have any more questions, just give a shout. Martijn Hoekstra 09:00, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Why delete something of notability? Who is to say it is or isn't notable?

I added an article in an attempt to explain something from my perspective; the title was not listed nor was it present, yet it was "Speedily-Deleted". Who is to say it is or isn't notable? Wouldn't the action of deleting the article negate the notable importance of the article from certain perspective of others interested? Have you ordered a DDOS consciously? —Preceding unsigned comment added by GCJMcShane (talk • contribs)

Well, notability isn't solely based on your or my opinion :) Please read Wikipedia notability guideline (and its related pages). I hope this helps Peacent 09:02, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Articles in the Wikipedia should be notable and verifiable. In short: it should assert why it is notable and should have non-trivial external sources ( as a rule of thumb, newspapers and webzines tend to be non-trivial, and blogs and listings are trivial, although the line is a little blurry). I think you may find answers to your questions on what Wikipedia is not. If not, let us know what you are still having difficulties with, and we could provide you with answers. For personal musings, you can always use your own userpage, or make a subpage on your userpage. Happy editing. Martijn Hoekstra 09:08, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

out of interest - what's a DDOS? --Fredrick day 09:26, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Whether or not this is what he refers to, DDoS stands for Distributed Denial of Service Attack. akuyume^T_C 09:29, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Without the title of the article, I can't be sure, but the line "I added an article in an attempt to explain something from my perspective" and the bit about DDOS makes it sound like you either violated WP:NPOV or were involved in promotion/advertising of some sort. - 131.211.210.15 11:26, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Was for Rune - The Story of Boann written by Gary Christopher Johnson. No google hits on either. --h2g2bob (talk) 11:34, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Have you ordered a DDOS consciously? sounds like a threat, to me. Corvus cornix 16:01, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

And a pathetic one at that. Those that can do a substantial DDOS are busy making protection money off the big sites and don't waste time threatening Wikipedia. --Kainaw ^(talk) 16:09, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] How to add a comment to a Discussion on a page?

I wanted to make a suggestion to improve the article on the Budapest Metro, but there doesn't seem to be any button to add a comment on the "Discussion" (Talk:Budapest Metro) tab.

I have now created an account and looked again, but there's still nothing.

I have tried looking through the help, but also: nothing.

Two possibilities, there is either a tab with a little + sign, that will add a new heading, or you can just click the EDIT button next to the last heading in the talk page, and make a new header with ==your header== and your text under it. Martijn Hoekstra 09:11, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

On most forums, threads and posts are all treated as being quite distinct -- on Wikipedia, however, talk pages are just like any other page, and can be edited by any user at will. Do be careful, though, to avoid editing the comments of others (among a few other talk page guidelines). For a little more general information, you can see how to use a talk page. Hope that helps! – Luna Santin (talk) 09:14, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Wow, that was a fast reply! - OK, I tend to associate the tabs paradigm as containing pages of different content, not with adding content to the tab I am currently in! The "how to use a talk page" could have made this clearer. I was looking for a button or something. Also, if I click back to the main content tab, the "+" tab disappears, meaning I cannot return to what I am editing!

Yes, as you say, it was exactly this accidental editing of others' comments that worried me. Also, do I add my comment to the top or the bottom?!? Wikipedia really could have tried to be more standard and less fiddly; but I guess others have gotten the hang of it, and so will I.

Thanks for the help! I successfully added my recommendation.

You should notice that the + thing only works when adding a new section, you have to hit a normal edit button (section or top) when replying. And add to the bottom of the page, please, top posting is generally obnoxious. Sorry about the ambiguity.

As a final recommendation, please sign your comments by typing --~~~~ at the end of your posts, that will automatically put a signature after your comments so people can tell who said what. --tjstrf talk 10:09, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Why?

Why don't we make it impossible to edit a page without using an edit summary? ∆ Algonquin 09:17, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Good question. Although I have Wikipedia prompt me before finalizing an edit without a summary via Preferences > Editing. Something similar exists on the Japanese wiki, which requires users to preview their changes before finalizing them. Besides this, afraid I can't say much. akuyume^T_C 09:25, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Because it's not actually a requirement, and if we did people would just fill it with unhelpful descriptions. More generally, we try not to load people down with extra restrictions on editing, there's enough overhead in learning wikimarkup and the like for new users as is. We do provide an option under your preferences (Special:Preferences) to prompt for edit summaries, so if want to remind yourself to use them, or are planning on running for adminship some day, you can enable that. --tjstrf talk 09:27, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Yes because otherwise you will get "This editor has 200,000 excellent edits across all areas but I notice that he only leaves an edit summary 99.5% of the time - I oppose his adminship and ask that he's banned indef" --Fredrick day 09:36, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Lynch! Not enough [[Portal:]] and [[Mediawiki talk:]] edits, forgot to sign a comment back in November, and doesn't share my POV on applying the fair use policy!" --tjstrf talk 10:14, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Username

is there a limit on how long a username can be? 195.194.74.154 10:46, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Please read Wikipedia:Username policy. I don't think there is a specific limit. However, if your name is (apparently) random, it'd better be short so that people can easily remember it. Otherwise I suppose 35 characters is fine :) Peacent 10:57, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Just keep it sensible and don't go looking for borderline cases. "Can't Sleep, Clown Will Eat Me" is the longest acceptable username I can remember. - 131.211.210.15 11:23, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
- I found an old list with some long names at Wikipedia:Long usernames, for example User:Look upon my works, ye Mighty, and despair!. Some of the names are inappropriate (not just length problems). PrimeHunter 11:55, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Link in wikipedia opens with blank page for edit whereas a page (with contents) already exists in wikipedia

Can someone tell me why clicking on Musiri Subramania Iyer (wikipedia link) in the page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnatic_music opens a blank page for editing whereas a Wiki page already exists for Musiri Subramania Iyer at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musiri_Subramania_lyer.

Need to know why this happens ? And how to fix this ?

Thank you --Antariki Vandanamu 10:52, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Because it was misspelled with a capital I instead of and l. It's fixed now. Martijn Hoekstra 10:55, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Actually the problem was that the article name was misspelled with lower case l (as in lion) instead of upper case I (as in India). I have moved Musiri Subramania lyer (lower case l) to Musiri Subramania Iyer (upper case I) and changed the link at Carnatic music back to the correct upper case I. The article move fixed 4 correctly spelled links at Special:Whatlinkshere/Musiri Subramania Iyer. PrimeHunter 11:28, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks guys. I must be getting old. I fixed a link yesterday with Microcredits v/s Microcredit and I realised the problem with "Musiri Subramania Iyer" must be similar but could not figure out what was wrong. May be the subject matter was close to heart and I knew the spelling was right ! --Antariki Vandanamu 11:51, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Colours

Where can I find the web colours to use on text and stuff. I can't seem to find it. Well actually i can find it, but when it comes up, its a blank page. Please help me. Note that my computer uses cable Internet and is Core Duo. Efansay ^talk_{Contrubutions} 11:20, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

You're probably looking for this :) Peacent 11:27, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

One problem. The page kind of works but the tables saying the codes for the colours are blank. Efansay ^talk_{Contrubutions} 11:31, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

The tables work for me. They show colors and color codes. Some of the color codes are written in write on a colored background. If your system has problems displaying white text on colored background then maybe you can at least see the color codes with Ctrl+A (or whatever marks all text in your browser). See also Wikipedia:Colours. PrimeHunter 11:44, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Things keep getting stanger and stranger. Now I can half of the table, and the colour I need. But when i type the code to change the colour of my contributions link in my signature, it doesn't seem to work. Efansay ^talk_{Contributions}Userboxen 11:51, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Replied on user talk. Peacent 15:18, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bots

How do you get and use bots, like how Hangerman uses the Hangermanbot to sign unsigned comments. Note that this comment is signed by me and not by HangermanBot. Efansay ^talk_{Contrubutions} 11:26, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Bot policy. PrimeHunter 11:36, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dismissing extiw messages using user space css or js

Is this possible? (Should I be asking this here?) I have edited my user css and js (remove space), but still see the messages. - Tiswas^(t) 11:32, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

In your monobook.css, last line, you don't need the style="", just put display:none. --ST47Talk 11:41, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. It's dismissed the wikimedia election banner, but not the wikimania 2007 banner - any ideas?- Tiswas^(t) 11:44, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Editing a page during Mediation process

After a formal Mediation request has been placed, following all the previous steps in dispute resolution, is it proper for either of the Mediation parties to make edits to the disputed article, other than non-controversial punctuation, etc.? Thank you for any help. --Tenebrae 13:11, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

The article is John Buscema. There's no rule governing behavior during a mediation; if it were a problem, the article would be protected. (And if it is a problem, you can request protection at WP:RPP.) Use your judgment. Yechiel Man 15:26, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Posting an Artcle on Wikipedia

Dear Sir/Madam: I made a contribution to Wikipedia but I am not quite sure how to post the article to be visible on the internet. Help me somehow to post the file? The link to the file is : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Petar_Mitrasinovic-wiki.pdf Thank you very much for your time and kindness. Regards, Prof. PM Mitrasinovic —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pmitrasinovic (talk • contribs)

Wikipedia does not contain pdf files. You have used image upload on the file. This is intended to upload images so they can be displayed in articles. An article in wiki markup could be created at Petar M. Mitrasinovic. Please read Wikipedia:Autobiography, Wikipedia:Notability (people), Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons and Wikipedia:Conflict of interest if you consider creating an article about yourself. This is strongly discouraged and such articles are often deleted. PrimeHunter 15:06, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

There does not seem to be enough Wikipedia reliable source material to create a Wikipedia article on Petar Mitrasinovic, but some of the information may be included on your user page if you intend to participate in editing Wikipedia. See Wikipedia:User page for more information on use of a Wikipedia user page. -- Jreferee ^(Talk) 17:51, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] NGO

what is teh advantages and disadvantages of working with non-governmental organizations? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.153.77.86 (talk • contribs)

Maybe our article on Non-governmental organization can be of help. This Help desk is for asking questions about using Wikipedia. The Reference Desk is for general knowledge questions. PrimeHunter 15:12, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Our info was reverted

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Dean_%26_DeLuca

Brokentuskk, the user that updated the article is a Dean & DeLuca marketing employee. Editor Tingalex reverted the stub, but was completely wrong in his reason for doing so.

We would like it restored to the March 21st edition please.

Actually he was completely right in his action - 1) how does he know that Brokentuskk is an employee? what proof has been presented? 2) it's a copyvio from the site - no permission has been expressly given to wikipedia to reproduce that information and 3) it reads like an advert and is unsuitable anyway. --Fredrick day 14:51, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Also - it is Wikipedia policy that companies (and their employees) should not edit their own articles. --Kainaw ^(talk) 15:07, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Well, thats a little strong, but to avoid conflict of intrest wikipedia suggests

Wikipedia is "the encyclopedia that anyone can edit," but if you have a conflict of interest avoid, or exercise great caution when:

Editing articles related to you, your organization, or its competitors, as well as projects and products they are involved with,
Participating in deletion discussions about articles related to your organization or its competitors,
Linking to the Wikipedia article or website of your organization in other articles (see Wikipedia:Spam);

and you must always:

4 Avoid breaching relevant policies and guidelines, especially neutral point of view, attribution, and autobiography.

Martijn Hoekstra 15:13, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

When editing articles that could cause a conflict of interest, always suggest the changes on the talk page and whatever you do, don't copy website or advertising material verbatim. Even if you get permission to reproduce it, it's almost certainly written in an unsuitable voice. - 131.211.210.14 08:31, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] abstracat algebra

which of the following statement is true?Give reason for your andwer. 1)if R is an Euclidien domain,so is R Χ R. 2)Every abelian group can be turned into a ring. 3)If I is a proper ideal of a ring R with identity then lЄI 4)Characteristic of a field is either zero or infinity. 5)iz is a ring with respect to usual addition and multiplication. 6)If e is the identity of a ring R then it is also the identity of R/I for every ideal I of R 7)If H and K are subgroups of G such that H intersection K is a normal subgroup of G then H is a normal subgroup of G and K is a normal subgroup of G. 8)Every group of order P raised to power n where p is a prime and n Є N is of the form G1×G2×......×Gn where |Gi|=p .........................................................................1)Find the distinct right coset of R in (C +) 2) Use the fundamental theorem of ring homomorphism to prove that Q×Z/Z~Q (~ denote isomorphism) 3)Let I=<m> and J=<n> be ideals in Z Then show that I+J=Z if and only if m and n are coprime. 4)Express the following permutation as the product of disjoint cycles:

  (12345678)(456)
  (82673145)(654)  Here lower elements are images of upper elements.

5)If A,B,C are three sets such that A intersection C= B intersection C then B=C is it true or false give reason also 6)Every group of order 4 has 3 elements of order 2 true or false give reason.

This is a help desk for using Wikipedia. Do your own homework. --Kainaw ^(talk) 15:58, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Try the reference desk too. But, seriously, do your homework. The Evil Spartan 16:13, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Citing

how do you cite wikipedia

Please see WP:CITE and WP:FOOT. Peacent 16:12, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

This is handled under Wikipedia:Very Frequently Asked Questions - please see that section first. The Evil Spartan 16:13, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

The easiest way is with the toolbox. There is a link for Cite this article which gives citation in various reference formats for every article available. Just click on it when you reach the appropriate article. Good luck!--Chaser - T 16:14, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Also, see How to cite Wikipedia in other works. -- Jreferee ^(Talk) 17:57, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Create article with same name

I want to create an article about a person, but another article about a person with the same name already exists. How do I start creating my article on my person since when I search that name a page on this different person of the same name pops up? If I am able to create my article, how will the two articles be differentiated?

The most common way to do this is to add a distinguising fact behind the name, like for example John Doe (actor) instead of John Doe. Martijn Hoekstra 16:19, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

(edit conflicted)Please make sure the person in question meets WP:BIO. If so, you can create a disambiguation page. (see also Help:Starting a new page) Peacent 16:22, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Who edited a certain paragraph last?

In an article with a very long revision history I want to know who is responsible for a certain paragraph/sentence, or who edited that paragraph/sentence last. In a VCS like svn this is easily possible with the blame command. I didn't find anything useful in meta:Help:Tracking_changes. If I have to wade through hundreds of diffs I go nuts.

X-Post: de:WP:FzW, WP:NUH (Interwiki links do not work.) -- 77.10.20.15 17:00, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm afraid you're out of luck. My advice, as a practical matter, is to space out the search by 20-30 diffs at a time, and if you see a change, narrow your search within that range. Yechiel Man 17:19, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

See the previous incarnation of this question: Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2007 February 16#Finding when/by whom an edit was made. --Teratornis 17:38, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

To summarize that discussion: User:AmiDaniel/WhodunitQuery. 139.67.128.42 20:48, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Question

how do i find Sunchild First Nation Email Address

See our article on Sunchild First Nation and [1]. Yechiel Man 17:58, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Generally, to initially search for such information, try placing your request in the Google search box and hit search.[2] Then, refine your search string as needed. From First Nations In Alberta - Indian and Northern Affairs Canada, there is no email address listed for Sunchild First Nation. However, there are email addresses for First Nations Administrative and Political Organizations, who may know Sunchild's email address. There are phone numbers listed for Sunchild as well. Sunchild is in Treaty 6, which has a website here, and staff email contacts here. -- Jreferee ^(Talk) 18:13, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] elephant-talk.com

I edited a guitar tab for Discipline, on elephant-talk.com In the edit box it shows up normal, but when I save it it's all screwed up. I also can't edit it, or remove it, because when I try the edit box is blank. My name/account is Evan. I would appreciated it very, very much if someone could help me out. My email is (E-Mail removed for security purposes) Thank you! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.7.210.150 (talk)

Im sorry if im wrong, but this is wikipedia not elephant-talk.com. You may want to try there! Regards Dep. Garcia ( Talk + | Help Desk | Complaints ) 20:33, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

I found no place to ask questions or contact anyone on elephant-talk.com If there is such a place, I would be glad to be informed.

Try Help:Contents at elephant-talk.com. Regards Dep. Garcia ( Talk + | Help Desk | Complaints ) 20:55, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

ETWiki is a small wiki; it looks like they have only 50 user accounts so far. Small wikis typically lack Wikipedia's massive infrastructure, such as this well-served Help desk. (The speed and quality of free technical support available here is amazing.) That means if you want to do anything fancy on a small wiki, you have to be resourceful. One way to learn lots about MediaWiki editing is to read the Help desk (and WP:VPT) every day. Test your knowledge by answering some questions; you don't have to know the answers beforehand, because you can look up answers to many questions. By the time you have answered, oh, say 500 questions here, you will be ready to function productively on a "barren" wiki out in the frontiers of the wikiverse.

As to what you can do about your current problem, I suggest writing a user subpage on ETWiki in which you document your problem in detail, along with all the research you have done to find answers. Either you will find the answer in the course of documenting everything you know about it, or you will make it easier for someone else to help you. Your problem description above is too sketchy. We can't see what you are typing as input, for starters, and you did not provide a link to whatever page you are editing over on ETWiki. On your user subpage on ETWiki, try typing your guitar tab text inside <pre>...</pre> and/or <nowiki>...</nowiki> tags. That way, whatever you are typing will probably appear on your subpage in some sort of readable form. See: Help:Wikitext examples#Just show what I typed. You might also inquire over at Wikipedia:WikiProject Guitarists to see if any of the guitar enthusiasts there have experience with formatting guitar tabulation in wikitext markup. --Teratornis 21:35, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

That worked, thank you.

[edit] Signature help

I'm trying to customize my signature and I keep getting the following error: Invalid raw signature; check HTML tags. I've tried copying and pasting the signature code into a page and it works fine, but I don't know why I am getting this error. The code renders the following: Dream out loud (talk • contribs)

Here is the code I am using: [[User:Dream out loud|<span style="font-family:Franklin Gothic Medium, serif; text-align:center; font-variant: small-caps">Dream out loud]] <small>([[User talk:Dream out loud|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dream_out_loud|contribs]])</small></pre>

–Dream out loud 20:37, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

You never closed the span tag. ST47 20:45, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

I closed the span tag and I still have the same problem. Here is the revised code:

[[User:Dream out loud|<span style="font-family:Franklin Gothic Medium, serif; text-align:center; font-variant: small-caps">Dream out loud</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Dream out loud|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dream out loud|contribs]])</small>

–Dream out loud 03:41, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Please Help me

On Elephant-talk.com, I cannot make tabs, for in the edit box it appears normal, but when saved it is not normal. Any help is appreciated. thanks, —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Vtech5.8 (talk • contribs).

I'm sorry but this help desk is for assistance with Wikipedia, not other wikis. I suggest that you ask for help on that particular site. Will (aka Wimt) 20:53, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

See the above question, titled elephant-talk.com. Dep. Garcia ( Talk + | Help Desk | Complaints ) 20:56, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

And there I'm guessing Vtech5.8 just needs to use one of the methods in Help:Wikitext examples#Just show what I typed to preserve the plain-text formatting he or she is (probably) typing in the edit box. --Teratornis 21:38, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia's reference desk might help you. -- Jreferee ^(Talk) 02:05, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nudist resort problem

I stumbled upon Hedonism's wiki pages, so created a page for the exact type of business as that. Mine was immediately deleted, yet Hedonism/Superclubs pages can stay? I'm confused as to why you allow their pages to remain? Did they pay money? Why the variable rules? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.152.11.250 (talk • contribs)

It would be much easier to respond if you would tell us the name of the article that was deleted. Friday (talk) 21:47, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

oh, sorry : Caliente Resorts. There's no difference between the two businesses. I'm confused why mine was immediately deleted??? here is their page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedonism_Resorts

See Special:Undelete/Caliente_resorts. It was deleted for being blatant advertising. Looking at the former contents, I can see why. Note also that an explanation is at User talk:Calienteresorts, which is the talk page of the account you used to create the page. Friday (talk) 21:51, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Only Wikipedia administrators can see Special:Undelete/Caliente_resorts. Everybody can see the stated reason for deletion here. If you are associated with Caliente resorts then please see Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. PrimeHunter 22:43, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

I still don't see the difference. How are the pages for Hedonism II (as listed above) not considered blatant advertising as well? They are saying they same thing I was posting.

There's a difference between an encyclopedia article about a business, and advertising for the business. Your "article" was written in pure marketing-speak. Friday (talk) 22:06, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

ah, ok. how can i get another shot at writing it in encyclopedia-speak? can i have access to it again?

No. I don't think that Caliente meets our relevant notability guideline, Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies). There's no coverage of Caliente that I know of, whereas people have written entire books about the Hedonism resorts. [3].--Chaser - T 22:09, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Uh, if you are with Caliente Resorts, you probably don't want a Wikipedia article since the information about the lawsuit by 41 home buyers against Caliente Resorts contained in Caliente Resorts suit seeking to identify who stole e-mail is probably one of the few things that could go in it. It's nothing personal, it's just that Wikipedia articles are built from abailable material from Wikipedia reliable sources and if that's what's available, then it probably goes in. -- Jreferee ^(Talk) 02:12, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Also note that a Wikipedia article is the first Google result on a lot of searches, for example Computers [4] where many companies must be working hard to do well. So searchers might come here to learn about Caliente Resorts instead of the official website. PrimeHunter 03:06, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] blackberry pda users

(( help me ))Does wikipedia have a setting to view its page in a more friendly version on a Blackberry / PDA device?

It sure does! See Wikipedia:Wikipedia_on_PDAs - G 1 ggy ^Talk/_Contribs 22:56, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Or get a Nokia E61 which has a full-featured browser that works fine with wiki! --Fredrick day 23:24, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Unicode Emoticons

How do you add the Unicode Emoticons into your signature. This is the code I want to use: U+263A.This should be the code to put the smile unicode emoticon on. Please help me. Efansay ^(talk)_{Contributions} 00:55, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Convert hexadecimal 263A to decimal 9786 (use computer's calculator program with view, advanced), and type: ☺ -- this gives ☺ --h2g2bob (talk) 01:37, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Google Calculator can convert from hexadecimal to decimal; try this. For some odd reason, the interwiki link equivalent doesn't cause the Google Calculator to kick in: google:0x263A in decimal but it does run a Google search that finds some pages that go into more detail about this character code. --Teratornis 02:02, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Creating content link

how do i create the content link? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.53.92.72 (talk) 00:22, June 13, 2007

Do you mean to link to an article? If so then you can do this: [[Article title here]] and this will produce Article title here. Hope this helps! The Sunshine Man 08:24, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Roger Revelle College page

The College is named "Revelle College". It was named after Roger Revelle, but the College name does not include his first name. I deleted the "Roger" in the text, but there are three remaing on the page: On the title of the page, on the data box on the right with the logo and names of the Provost and Deans, and at the bottom where the six UCSD Colleges are named. Note the other Colleges all include the persons first name. Only Revelle College does not.

Verification: You can either take my word. I am the Provost of Revelle College or look on the Revelle College Website. There is a link on the Wikipedia "Roger Revelle College" page

Daniel Wulbert Provost, Revelle College

All fixed. Thanks for your help and thank you for editing Wikipedia!--Chaser - T 05:42, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

I found one Wikipedia Reliable Source reporting the college name as Roger Revelle College, but the rest use Revelle College. Per Wikipedia:Naming conventions, the article should be named Revelle College. Chaser took the correct action. If you need any more help with the article, please feel free to ask! -- Jreferee ^(Talk) 17:59, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] how to contact threshold live by e-mail

send link please

This is for Wikipedia related questions only, sorry. The Sunshine Man 08:23, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] ABOUT CARBON DATING

DOES POSITRONS RELEASE ONLY DURING INDUCED RADIOACTIVITY. SOME INFORMATION ABOUT POSITRONS

Do your own homework: if you need help with a specific part or concept of your homework, feel free to ask, but please do not post entire homework questions and expect us to give you the answers. Letting someone else do your homework makes you learn nothing in the process, nor does it allow Wikipedians to fulfill their mission of ensuring that every person on Earth – including you – has access to the total sum of human knowledge. The Sunshine Man 08:22, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Please don't write your question in all capital letters. It's the internet equivalent of shouting. Also, see Carbon_dating#Basic_physics. I was under the impression that the Carbon 14 loses protons as it decays, so make sure you're right about your positron particles. Anyway, the answer to your question is no. The isotope is unstable and the reaction occurs constantly not only under induced radiation. - 131.211.210.14 08:24, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

This help desk is where Wikipedia answers questions about Wikipedia. Wikipedia's reference desk is where Wikipedia answer questions not related to Wikipedia itself. reference desk probably is where you want to post your question. -- Jreferee ^(Talk) 18:03, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Adding information on my Company

How can I create a profile for my company? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.227.140.154 (talk • contribs)

Such articles would quickly be found to be in violation of the policies on conflicting interests. It is best to wait until someone else decides to write an article about your company. However, Wikipedia does provide an infrastructure for requesting articles in which case a neutral third party creating the article must also provide the grounds for the notability of the company in question. akuyume^T_C 09:17, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

What is the name of the company? If it's been mentioned in enough Wikipedia reliable sources, it's possible that a Wikipedia article may be created on it. -- Jreferee ^(Talk) 18:05, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Google Earth Locations

Dear Sirs, some days ago I found the article about the new town Parand in Iran, province Tehran. The coordinates and the given distance were wrong. I corrected them. But the Wikipedia button in Google Earth is still on the wrong position: in the province Kerman, nearly 1000 km from the right position. How can it be corrected? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kbhartmann (talk • contribs)

Google Earth's locations do not directly come from Wikipedia and are instead scraped from Wikipedia and archived intermediately. Given this information, I would estimate it would take a certain amount time until another scrape of Wikipedia is completed. akuyume^T_C 09:05, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Coordinates information about foreign geographic feature names can be obtained from the GEOnet Names Server (GNS). Also, the best way to improve the Parand article is to make it look more like the article on Tehran. -- Jreferee ^(Talk) 18:17, 13 June 2007 (UTC)