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Guys, when writing in the ENGLISH wikipedia, use the ENGLISH names for the squadrons, first. thanks See: Wikipedia:Naming conventions (use English).

George Marselis Draft Sargent, Computer Analyst D'02 Project2501a 12:30, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

That link refers to article titles. Still, you have a point. I'll start reversing the order sometime this week.--Jpbrenna 06:59, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] Aircraft Inventory

Please have in mind than when we change the aircraft inventory numbers, we have to use references or else unreferenced changes cannot be accepted. We cannot change the inventory on speculations or even on something we read in a newspaper. Even if the reference is not official, please state it before changing the inventory. Thanks. -->kompikos, 31 March 2008, 02:45 (UTC)

[edit] Generations of Fighters

The Eurofighter Typhoon is a 4.5th generation fighter according to the article on fighter jets. I've made some changes in the article with the appropriate reference to that article but it seems the generations continue to be edited in the text. I know that saying 4.5th generation is not literally correct but seems like this is the way fighters are categorized. It actually makes sense in technological terms. The Typhoon and the Rafale lack specific characteristics that determine a 5th generation fighter. The Technology applied to both the F-16 Block 52+, Rafale and Typhoon are something between a 4th and 5th generation fighter (for ex. the fact that all these aircraft do not have full internal ammo and fuel storage bays that make them completely stealth or their engines configuration ). Please take these into account before re-editing.-- kompikos, 17 August 2007, 14:15 (UTC)

[edit] 4th generation fighters?

  • Prime candidates for a 4th generation aircraft, of which acquisition is considered certain, are the Eurofighter Typhoon, F-35 Lightning II (JSF) and Dassault Rafale. Correct me if I'm wrong, but - according to the article on fighter jets - Greece already has 4th generation (and 'generation 4.5') fighters. Look at where Greece's F-16C/D Block 50/52 and Mirage 2000s are on the list.
    • You are correct, I made the appropriate changes in the article -- kompikos, 14 August 2007, 20:40 (UTC)

[edit] Dornier Do-28 has been retired

Guys this particular aircraft has been officialy retired from service and only 2 aircraft are kept (semi-operational) for display and exibition reasons only. I have seen this entry go on and off the fleet table many times in the past so I thought I should inform you. Take care -- kompikos 5:00, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

I have no information about it so i post them. no any official ceremony heard for their retirement. Kompiko you have done more than perfect job to all arms of our Armed Forces. i am sure we have the best posted Armed Forces in Wikipedia. John , Athens May 29

[edit] NPOV tag

The final section on Turkey may have truth to it, but has no citations as the contributors bias is clearly evident upon reading it. 68.39.174.238 00:52, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] NPOV Part II

Since 1974, the Turkish state continuously violates Athens FIR flying rules set by ICAO and the Hellenic airspace, resulting in numerous operations of reconnaissance and interception against Turkish fighter jets by the Greek Air Force daily. These operations cause often heroic casualties and loses for the Greek pilots. Amongst the lost pilots are the well known stories of Nikolaos Sialmas (Νικος Σιαλμας), fallen near Agios Eustratios island of Northern Aigean sea and the recent death of Kostas Iliakis (Κωστας Ηλιάκης) who has fallen after a collision with a Turkish F-16 which deliberatelly crashed him as he was trying to stop a what was officially called "spying operation of Turkey towards Crete (Κρητη)" over the island of Karpathos at the South Aigean sea.

  1. The FIR of Athens does *NOT* belong to the Greek state. It is under the supervision of the Venizelos Airport.
  2. Furthermore, ever since 1998 the ICAO delisted the need for military airplanes to file flight plans. [citation needed]
  3. Therefore, there's no violation of the Greek soverinity when the Turkish planes fly outside the 6 miles radius from teretorial waters.

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Airforce.gif

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[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:EMB R-99A.jpg

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BetacommandBot (talk) 05:50, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] MM-40 Exocet picture

This picture is not related to the Hellenic Air Force, which has no MM-40 in its inventory, and should be deleted from this article. Sv1xv (talk) 15:18, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Entering the 21st century

The last paragraph "As of 2007... Sukhoi Su-35 or Su-37" is possibly accurate, but it must be properly referenced, otherwise it remains a speculation and is not compatible with the Wikipedia:Verifiability concept. Sv1xv (talk) 09:19, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

You can find many references in the greek military press. It is not speculation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.131.1.118 (talk) 11:39, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

So, could you please cite a couple of such references? This is a basic rule of Wikipedia:Verifiability. The STRATEGY article cited is not really clear abt the subject. It would be best if you could cite an article in english from a mainstream UK or USA aviation magazine, but even articles in greek would be acceptable. Sv1xv (talk) 05:12, 31 March 2008 (UTC)


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