Talk:Hell's Angels (film)

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How much money did the film ultimately lose (or make)?

It made around $8 million (overall in that year), but since Hughes spent $4,000,000 of his own money, he did not gain much of a profit. To earn it back, he simply re-released the film many times during that and the following year.

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[edit] The Aviator

In section "The Aviator," : "The film depicts Hughes' struggles with Nielan and the extravangant extents to which he went to ensure accuracy throughout production."

This is nonsense. That part of the film possibly depicts Hughes' struggle with Noah Dietrich over financing, but Nielan is portrayed nowhere in the film. Nor is any other director. Hughes is portrayed in the director role from the first scene in the film covering his Hollywood career.

The "extravagant extents to which [Hughes] went [sic] to ensure accuracy," clause is also off the mark. The film depicts the extravagant measures Hughes implemented to ensure that the dogfight footage looked more convincing on the screen. There is a world of difference between the two concepts. Drogue 04:36, May 28, 2005

Just cleaned the section up somewhat. GeeJo 12:49, August 19, 2005 (UTC)
Slightly modified the grammar and replaced the phrase 'part of the movie' to a more descriptive phrase 'act of the movie'.

Added a date to the phrase, today's money, at the bottom of the first section - I guess the OP hopes that this page will be around for a few years to come :-) Also, streamlined the sentence a little (it was a touch informal and had two prices in 1930's and today's dollars - couldn't figure out why...) --Oscar Bravo 10:02, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A Whale of an Omission (sorry, couldn't resist)

According to a few sources I've seen, including IMDb and Leonard Maltin's movie guide, James Whale actually directed much of this movie uncredited. No mention here. What's up? Any objections to me adding this tidbit? Cris Varengo 21:52, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Production

Source for the names and details of the production deaths is "Production of 'Hell's Angels' Cost the Lives of Three Aviators," Syracuse Herald, Dec. 28, 1930, p. 59Bentruwe (talk) 09:36, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was no consensus to move this page, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 07:51, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Hell's Angels (film) → Hell's Angels — It's the only thing on the disambiguation page with the name (with the apostrophe) —Reginmund 08:46, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Survey

Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.
  • Support - Per reasons given Reginmund 08:46, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Oppose, for one thing it is not the "only thing on the disambiguation page with the name (with the apostrophe)" -- the 3d squadron of the Flying Tigers were known as Hell's Angels. Besides that, it is easily confused with the motorcycle group. older ≠ wiser 11:38, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Oppose - even some of the bikers use "Hell's Angels" for the club - see for example the book mentioned. Also as above, several others use the apostrophe. -- Beardo 15:52, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Support - Actually, the first other use of the apostrophe doesn't even have an article on it. Since it is easy to confuse with the motorcycle, group, you might as well put a disambiguation link. That's what they're for. Parable1991 21:10, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Support, The bikers named themselves after this movie so it must be notorious. 71.109.186.47 06:13, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Oppose reasoning is incorrect, just looking at the DAB page, that is obvious. 70.55.91.131 07:52, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Support - I see no controversy. The bikers don't use an apostrophe. 67.151.178.146 19:27, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Oppose per above reasons, and because the possible minor inconvenience of anyone searching for the film is far outweighed by the potential benefits of avoiding confusion when searching for the other terms. An apostrophe is hardly a significant distinction. --Ckatzchatspy 05:04, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Oppose, Hell's Angels should redirect to Hells Angels, no-one searching is likely to know about this distinction. Kappa 23:02, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Strong oppose: The claim above is not true (see 2nd item on the dab page), and very few people who are not Hells Angels bikers know that it is not spelled with an apostrophe; the vast majority of hits for "Hell's Angels" will be people who know proper grammar trying to find the motorcycle club, but unaware of their evidently intentional misspelling. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 23:17, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion

Any additional comments:

Reasoning is incorrect!? Do your research! It says on the Hells Angels page that they named themselves after the film! Reginmund 01:31, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

  • Read a little more carefully -- the motorcycle club took their name from the WWII air units -- which in turn took their names from the film. In any case there are multiple things known by that name. older ≠ wiser 03:52, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
  • In any case, the film was the first to use "Hell's Angels". It is also the only article to concern that specific text. Problem solved. Reginmund 01:52, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
  • First is not the same as primary or best known. There ARE other entities that use the name with the apostrophe. older ≠ wiser 02:38, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
There are no other entities that do on the DAB page that add something else in. I never said that it is better known. Reginmund 00:58, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
No, as I've already pointed out there is another one listed on the dab page -- the WWI air unit. While the article title is different because the unit is described in the context of a larger unit, the reference requires disambiguation. And then there's the short title of the Hunter S. Thompson book, about the motorcycle club, which only underscores the fact while the official HAMC may eschew the apostrophe, it is nonetheless commonly used with the apostrophe to refer to the group. If you are not making the claim that the film deserves primary topic status, then there is no point to even discussing a move -- there is clearly ambiguity about the name. older ≠ wiser 01:15, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

That ambiguity would be pointed out when it directs here. The air unit doesn't even have an article so that is obviously subordinate. the book has an appendage in the title. This is the only (and original) use of "Hell's Angels" and maybe we should point that out. We'll always have a DAB page. Reginmund 19:32, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.