Talk:Heliopolis (ancient)

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1 Annu
2 Separate article for modern suburb and ancient city?
3 Egyptian name?
4 Modern Style References require buildin decryption

[edit] Annu

Could someone explain this please?

Due to the significance of the city in ancient times, it gained the title The great house of Annu (as opposed to The great house of pillars).

What does "Annu" mean and where does it come from? Is this just a variant of "Iunu"? Most importantly, what text refers to "The Great House of Annu"? This all seems very dubious to me. —Nefertum17 20:11, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

I don't know how that line got into the article, but it seems to be nonsense. Annu is simply another way of transcribing Iunu (prabably Aunu mistyped). I think the paragraph should be cleaned up, so as to remove any uncertainty. It looks like it comes from someone who has read a book on the subject, rather than someone familiar with a basic understanding of Egyptian. --Gareth Hughes 22:27, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

Thanks Gareth. I have removed it and replace it with something somewhat related. — Nefertum17 04:44, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

'Annu' is still there with the hierogyphs (right top).

Why was the city abandoned?

[edit] Separate article for modern suburb and ancient city?

Should there be a separate article for the modern suburb of Heliopolis and the ancient, historically-significant "sun city"? If they are located in slightly different places, as the article seems to imply then this is a good reason to me. Donama 05:11, 28 February 2006 (UTC) ......your comments on this?

Good idea... I don't know much about the locational aspects, but a lot can be written about modern heliopolis in its own right. I vote yes.Don Cardo 21:02, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Do you think the Heliopolis article should be a disambig and have two other articles (Heliopolis (ancient) and Heliopolis (modern)) or should ancient Heliopolis be in this article and we make Heliopolis (modern) be the article about the suburb today? Donama 23:34, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps it would be good to make that distinction. Depends (and I'm quite new to all this) if one falls under 'Ancient Egypt' as a category and the other is under Egyptian Cities/Cairo districts... Ancient times' Heliopolis is before Cairo existed as we know it... Modern Heliopolis is part of it.

We must have one discrete topic per article and where there are two topics for one word (eg. Heliopolis) either the most common use of the word is put into the article using the "Article name" as the title and the less common topic uses something like "Article name (other use)" for its title. So what we need to decide here is if information about ancient Heliopolis deserves the title "Heliopolis" because it is the more common topic? Donama 01:55, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

I have very little doubt that ancient Heliopolis deserves the "Heliopolis" title. "Heliopolis (Cairo District) or (Modern)" can be another article. Does anybody disagree with this? Don Cardo

Two articles and a disambiguation page to point people to the correct page would do surely? Markh 12:50, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

In fact there is a dab page, so that shoul be moved to this page. Markh 13:00, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Egyptian name?

Heliopolis doesn't sound like the name of an Ancient Egyptian city. Is it the Greek/Roman name or is that what it was called by the Pharaohs?

I don't know, but that's what I think of when someone says the word. I guess it was called this by the Greeks in ancient times, but Iunu/Annu could be the more accurate name. Perhaps this article should go there?? Donama 02:11, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Good point. It was actually named after the Greek god Helios by Actis, one of his sons according to Diodorus Siculus. I have added a description in the article. Odysses (₪) 13:22, 28 October 2007 (UTC)