Talk:Heist film
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Is this article necessary? Could it be combined with caper story? 3mta3 05:10, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)
This should most likely be merged with Heist film. Dimitrii (who should really become a user) 03 Mar 2005
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[edit] Move proposal
- Talk:Big caper movie – Big caper movie → Heist film – "Big caper movie" is an obscure name for the genre much more popularly known as the "Heist film" or "Caper film". — Kevin Myers 05:13, August 27, 2005 (UTC)
- Support. --Dhartung | Talk 09:27, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
- Support —Michael Z. 2005-08-28 15:51 Z
- Support -Aranel ("Sarah") 23:26, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
This article has been renamed after the result of a move request. Dragons flight 03:58, September 2, 2005 (UTC)
[edit] history section
I don’t understand the History section of this article. It seems to say that a 1955 film was the origin of the genre, but then says that films of the 1940s and 1950s brought the genre to fame. I consulted this article because I was curious about heist films that preceded The Asphalt Jungle, and the article is no help at all with that. The list of films should really be in chronological order, not alphabetical. --Mathew5000 01:45, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Merge One last big job here
This Heist film sub-plot isn't notable enough for its own article. If it was nominated for deletion I doubt it would be kept, but it's a common theme in heist films so would be more appropriate as a section here. Masaruemoto 23:56, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
Done ColdFusion650 00:02, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] POV
The History section needs a major rewrite. It sounds like a lecture by a Heist movie fan rather than an encyclopedia entry. Please try to keep from advocating one style or another. Stick to facts, in other words don't say things like, "ingenious", "second to none" or other things that speak to quality. "De gustibus non disputandum" In matters of taste there can be no right and wrong. Foolishben 09:42, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
[edit] List of films
Why re-merge the big un-annotated list into the article? It is purposeless, spoils the look of the encyclopedia article, and threatens to keep growing as everyone adds their favourite film.
Wikipedia:Lists says that lists are for information, navigation, or development—this one serves none of these purposes. The only information is that they are "notable", which is simply false (see below). Category:Heist films already serves as a better set of navigation links. And this wouldn't be any good for development unless a bunch of red links were added, further diluting this article.
Wikipedia:Lists also states that "lists should always include unambiguous statements of membership criteria based on definitions made by reputable sources". Please explain what is notable about the listed films. What on earth is notable about $ (film), Bad Santa, Bandits, Bottle Rocket, Confidence (film), etc, etc. Notable films are already linked in the text, specifically because there is something worth saying about them.
Wikipedia:Embedded list is more specific: "lists of links, which are most useful for browsing subject areas, should usually have their own entries: see Wikipedia:Lists (stand-alone lists) for detail. In an article, significant items should be mentioned naturally within the text rather than merely listed".
Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information: this list should go. —Michael Z. 2007-08-15 19:14 Z
- Fine then take out those unnotable films but a page for a list is not appropriate ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ "Expecting you?" Contribs 19:21, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
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- The notable films are already noted in the article. I have already taken all of the duplicate links and other films out by removing the list, and you restored them, implying that they are all notable. Don't just dump the whole pile of Wikipedia:Listcruft on the article and put the onus on other editors to sort out your mess.
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- "A page for a list is not appropriate" — some consider that to be the case, but it is allowed. See Wikipedia:Lists (stand-alone lists).
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- Criteria for list membership is required by the guideline. Please add the criteria, or remove the list.
- Please justify all the items in the list based on the criteria, or remove the list.
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