Talk:Heinrich Severloh

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I cannot believe this is a fucking article. Everything in it is bullshit. The “Beast of Omaha Beach” was more or less still unknown until the last memorial reunion commemorating the landing of the Allies in Normandy. <-- when was that, 2006? Seriously. How stupid do you have to be to believe this shit? Not just believe it, but put a bot on it to protect it? This is like a comic book story. criticism and even open animosity towards Severloh is to be found amongst the descendents of these war veterans and amongst those of the fallen soldiers. <-- none of whom have ever heard of him According to experts, this resulted in an estimated 2000-2500 American deaths and injuries. Apparently Gillyweed is an "expert". Way to go dude. You invented "history". And by the way, internet forums are not "sources" you idiot. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.110.237.205 (talk • contribs).

Going over 65.110.237.205 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)'s recent contributions I found that he has previously taken issue with the subject in this edit where he removed references to the Washington Post and the Scotsman both of which are enaugh to establish this article. Agathoclea 15:56, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
suggesting that the scotsman and the post's "articles" (they're op-ed, human interest stories) are legitimate citations is outrageous. they were both based 100% on the same original "source", which consisted of one old man's fairy tale. that's like adding severloh bullshit to the omaha beach page, and then using that page as a reference for silly claims on this one. you people are seriously responsible for fucking up history. way to go, wikidiots. - MarcusAurelius—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.110.237.205 (talk • contribs).
Indeed 65.110.237.205 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) seems to have a problem with understanding WP:notability, let alone WP:attack. I created this article after there was massive edit-warring over this subject in Omaha Beach caused by 65.110.237.205 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log). Subsequently the German Wikipedia article was translated and copied to this article space - thus providing a much more detailed article. The translator noted at the time that it appeared to take Severloh's claim at face value. I invite65.110.237.205 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) to constructively engage with this article and write a well referenced criticism of the claims made in this article. I DO NOT claim that Severloh's claims are accurate. I simply state that he 'said them'. And given that the independent media has taken up his claims and stated they are true, means that this article is an important reference for those who wish to read both sides of the debate.Gillyweed 23:00, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Grammar

Hi - there have been two additions to the translated introduction of this page, both of which are bad grammar. The page is locked so I don't seem to be able to change them. The first is: "allowed him to allegedly kill" - I know, we all say that, but it sends a chill down the spine of any English teacher to read it, and the rest of us aren't hurt if we write "allegedly allowed him to kill". The second change is the addition of the sentence "His claims... is controversial". Claims is a plural, so it should be: "His claims... are controversial". It might also be worth restoring the links to the newspaper articles about Severloh that were there before they were removed during the translation of the German article given the attacks that have been made on the page since then. As to the veracity of the article, I would point out that it is clearly stated that Severloh's tally is "according to his own claims". A jacksn 09:12, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Fixed Gillyweed 22:32, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
this whole article is bullshit, unsourced and unverified information which is allegedly from his entirely unreliable autobiography -- why should any of us believe gillyweed's claim to be an expert? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.217.222.226 (talk • contribs).
Just a quick question, where do I claim to be an 'expert'? Gillyweed 22:30, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
You Americans just can't believe that a German soldier killed so much people
Yeah, what a great achievement. As a German I am ashamed for such an idiot. The story of Heinrich Severloh - if true - is a story of a very young person, put in a place by war with no chance to get out of it (as most of the other young people on both sides). He fulfilled his questionable duty. It is not possible to blame him for this, as it is not possible to see him as a hero. If anyone should be blamed, it should be the - mostly German - politicians who started the war. What remains is the sheer horror about the circumstances in which someone can kill so many other humans. Horrible. --87.234.145.171 12:00, 10 November 2007 (UTC)