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[edit] Pirate Lord

Possible plot hole: If, before the first movie (and the mutiny), Barbossa was just Jack's first mate, how on earth is he one of the nine pirate lords?

Ah, but also, before the first movie, he also took the Pearl, the cursed coins, ect, ect, so it would've been before the first movie that he also became a pirate lord. Captain Drake Van Hellsing 10:16, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
I realize this is a late answer, but the fact is that the previous Pirate Lord of the Caspian Sea handed down his piece of eight, thus making Barbossa a Pirate Lord. It doesn't matter if he and Jack are both, erm, "Captains" of the Black Pearl. I hope that clears up a doubt from last June :) BlackPearl14Pirate Lord-ess 03:15, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Calico Jack connection

Barbossa uses the same flag, and the timeframe of PotC allowes a connection to Rackham in his early life.

[edit] Pirate Lord

According to Keep to the Code, Barbossa is one of the Nine Pirate Lords, the ruler over the Caspian sea. please add it on the page.

[edit] The monkey

"However, when Jack the monkey was left alone in the treasure cave with Barbossa's body, he took a coin from the chest." Who ever said Jack themonkey even lived? I always thought that when The curse was lifted, Jack would have drowned. But I could be wrong. 24.63.167.114 20:58, 13 April 2006 (UTC)p.h24.63.167.114 20:58, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

At the end of the movie (both in the cinema and on the DVD), after the credits, there was an easter egg scene, depicting Jack the Monkey safely swimming out of the water and taking an Aztec coin from the chest, thus becoming cursed once more. Myrana13 21:43, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

thank-you P.h 16:41, 16 April 2006 (UTC)p.hP.h 16:41, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

FYI, a scene that follows the credits is called a "stinger", not an "easter egg". An "easter egg" is a hidden treasure, such as on a DVD or in a computer game, that must be searched for, not merely waited out.

It is called an Easter Egg, however, by Johnny Depp and Gore Verbinski on the audio commentary for the 1st film.

Yeah, but they got it wrong. An Easter Egg, as was said about a year ago, is something that must be found, not waited for. The monkey's scene is simply a post-credits scene. And don't forget to sign your posts. Dac 10:38, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] First name

Is it ever stated in the movies that Barbossa's first name is Hector? I thought it was never mentioned. --Suspchaos 11:40, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Not in the movie, it came off one of the commentaries or something Dac 15:30, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

The DVD commentary with Johnny Depp and Gore Verbinski. It is mentioned around the time we first see Barbossa, when Elizabeth is taken abaord the Black Pearl. Captain JD Sparrow

no, Gibbs said the name Hector Barbossa in Curse of the Black Pearl. seriously, you guy really gotta pay more attention.67.85.156.212 20:57, 25 February 2007 (UTC)ladysparrow

When did he say it? Which scene? Dac 09:02, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
I just visited the website for At World's End. In there is a poster describing Captain Barbossa "Hector Barbossa: Wanted for"...etc. But no, it's not stated anywhere in the film, perhaps in the commentary.Doncroft 14:48, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

In At World's End, Sparrow calls Barbossa Hector upon meeting him again. Emperor001 22:09, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Details

"The details of how he has returned after his death will be explained in the third film." Might I suggest that hell itself spat him back out? --NoEvidenZ 12:13, 22 July 2006 (UTC) I think Tia Dalma brought him back, just as she's going to do with Jack. The whole thing with hell spitting him back out was just a legand that one of the watchmen heard.

That is a funny proposition though. However, may I note that Captain Jack Sparrow is now "dead." Yes, he's dead. The kraikan (however you spell that) ate him. And yet, he lives and breathes in the third film, even though he confirms that "one of you succeeded" in killing him. The plot's all screwed up.Doncroft 14:15, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

In the beginnng of the 3rd movie, when the Singaporians run into Eizabeth after she gets out of her canoe, Barbossa steps out. One of the Singaporeans says "Hector Babrbossa" I think. I could be wrong. Jack also says "Hectr" when he first sees Barbossa in Davy Jone's Locker. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.236.190.201 (talk) 19:01, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Barbossa's curse

I'm getting tired of constanly fixing this. If the monkey took a coin out of the chest and gave it to Barbossa, that doesn't mean Barbossa is then cursed again. If it did, Elzabeth would have been cursed as a child when she got the coin from Will. This is not how the curse works. Only someone who takes a coin from the chest gets cursed. Thank you. Dac 22:03, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Don't be, movies usually contain lots of plot holes and continuity issues, besides, as it was only half-Turner's blood, it is still possible that the curse wasn't cured completely and it doesn't require someone once cursed to take a coin by himself to become cursed again. I think this at least should be noted in the article as possible explanation, until we know the truth after the third movie is out. Give you opinion here, because I’m not intended to initiate any edit war. 85.206.220.31 14:58, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
No, I'm telling you, it was outright stated in the movie that:
A. Will's blood, being the same blood as Bootstrap's, cured the curse
B. A coin MUST be taken from the chest for the person to be cursed. Someone cannot take a coin and give it to someone else and make that second person cursed, because neither Will nor Elizabeth ended up cursed when they received the coin from another person.
And even if Will's blood didn't cure the curse completely, why did it take another year for anyone to notice? Why, after 12 months, did Barbossa THEN appear? And why did no repercussions show in Sparrow, Pintel, Ragetti or Bootstrap?
We can't say it is a possibility because that is outright speculation. Thank you. Dac 07:49, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, I'm 100% sure now that he is not cursed anymore, but it wasn’t your statements that convinced me. I watched the second movie today and the answer was in the very last seconds or so, when Barbossa is shown chewing an apple and clearly enjoying its taste, which leaves no doubt he is normal again. But still, the truth is yet to be seen.85.206.205.56 15:22, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
Dude, he's dead. You can't be cursed if you're dead. The curse transforms the living into the undead. It can't touch the dead. Now how on earth Barbossa comes back from the grave I have no idea, but again this is not a discussion forum for the films.Doncroft 14:12, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

His last name is based on Barbarossa, the dread pirate also known as Redbeard? Dread? The original Barbarrossa isBarbaeos Hayrettin Paşa who was lead Admiral of Ottoman Empire at its most powerful times.

How about we all WAIT UNTIL THE THIRD MOVIE! AAAGH, I can't believe that Wilipedia is so full of hardheads who insist on using the talk pages to argue about stupid things! The pages are supposed to be used to discuss ways of making the articles better. If you want to fight, use a message board.

In the movie, Barbossa said "I feel nothing." If this was true, how did Rageti feel the heat of the coals burning him when Elizabeth was kidnapped? Does the curse have an exemption for painful feelings? If it does, why did Barbossa say "I feel nothing." Woundn't it make more sense to say "I feel nothing except pain."? Emperor001 20:49, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

According to the writers, they can feel very little. I realize this is an issue from a long time ago, so sorry to others but for newbies, your answer... oh, and Ragetti says that out of impulse. Hence Pintel stares at him with a look of disgust. In a deleted scene, Ragetti (quite idiotically, I might add) says "I can't see nufink!" when he's trying to watch Elizabeth change with his wooden eye. Hence we can assume Ragetti is not smart - with not enough common sense. BlackPearl14Pirate Lord-ess 03:19, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Plot Spoilers?

At World's End: It says that Johnny Depp stated that Barbossa would give his life for Jack at the end. Do we have any proof of this? Interview or tv special? I'm deleting it otherwise. Miriahofthewind 06:12, 31 December 2006 (UTC)MiriahoftheWind

I can't say I've seen the interview, so yeah, best leave that one. Dac 09:42, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, there's alot of problems with this. I don't think Johhny Depp would reveal such a huge spolier for the film, Barbossa is a major character and revealing his final fate is a major spoiler. Also, it seems unlikly Barbossa would give his life for Jack. I mean, I don't see him as pure evil, but he doesn't seem like he would want to save Jack, who shot and killed him, and Barbossa has stranded him on an island twice, and attempted to kill him numerous times.-Darknessofheart

This isn't a discussion board for the film. Dac 21:41, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Doesn't cite sources

I understand that citing sources is important here on Wikipedia, but still, what here is not cited? What needs to be cited? --KnowledgeLord 07:49, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

As far as I can tell, everything that needs to be already has been. Dac 09:01, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Last name pun

The article says that the name "Barbossa" is based on Barbarossa's name, merged with the Spanish surname "Barbosa". Is there an official statement for this? I'm Italian, and to me, the pun is made by merging the name Barbarossa (which is itself Italian) with the Italian word "ossa", which means "bones". Since Barbossa is a pirate who turns into a skeleton, that fits his character just right. Devil Master 12:31, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm still yet to find where they said that about him, so at the moment I'm leaning towards taking that out. For now we can leave it in, but if we can't find where they said that it'll have to go completely.

[edit] Controversy over death and "resurrection"

I think we should add a section mentioning how many fans of Curse of the Black Pearl were displeased that Barbossa, who was clearly killed at the end of the first film and destroyed as a character, makes this miraculous appearance at the end of the second. Also, literary critics such as myself have noted that resurrecting the villain of the first book/movie at the end of the second one is a huge no-no. If an author is to resurrect the villain of the first piece, then they must do so at the beginning or at latest middle of the second piece, the prime example being Agent Smith reappearing at the beginning of Reloaded. Many fans feel that bringing Barbossa back and having him take a bite of that apple destroys the power of his death in the first movie. As the article notes, Barbossa was nominated for best villain. Well the second film destroys his role as a villain, so says some. I think an issue of this significance to fans and literary critics should be brought to attention in the article.--Doncroft 14:10, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Fancruft itself is a big "absolutely not" by itself. If links are provided to legitimate articles showing professional displeasure over his return, then very well; otherwise, if we post any fancruft, there's precedent for EVERY fancruft out there. Suddenly the page gets swamped by people saying random stuff. If you can provide links, be my guest; otherwise, it's probabl not a good idea. Dac 22:20, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
I understand your concerns. But if any of us do run across an official article or something of the like, I think it should be acknowledged at least briefly.Doncroft 14:52, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sleep deprived?

That note that was added about the pirates not being able to sleep - where was that stated? I don't recall that at all; doesn't seem implausible but nonetheless, unless it was stated outright it'll have to go. Where'd you find it? Dac 22:23, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

I reverted it anyway, I was thinking the same thing, it wasn't stated, nor had Barbossa said himself about it, only about the wind, women's pleasure, food and drink, nothing about sleeping. Captain Drake Van Hellsing 22:34, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
My apologies. It is not stated directly in the film; it is merely implied. I'm absolutely sure that that is the case; however I cannot source it...I remember hearing it. Dang, I wish I could remember where. It takes into account that Barbossa and his men are undead, and the undead do not sleep. The pirates are cursed for eternity, and if you are in eternal torment, you do not sleep nor have any other physical pleasures. The strongest piece of evidence, the one I saw stated but cannot remember where, is the Moonlight Serenade. The source or whatever it was (my apologies) pointed out that the entire crew is up working constantly day and night. They never rest, nor can they. For they don't have anything to rest. They don't have real physical bodies but are mere animated corpses with their souls trapped inside. Therefore, they cannot eat, drink, mate, feel, or sleep. Again, I hope someone can find a substantiated notation so this can be included, as it is of significance and shouldn't be excluded.--Doncroft 14:58, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Video Games

I would suggest that someone would put, in the "Video Game Appearances" section what Barbossa's role in the Pirates of the Carribean Curse of the Black Peril video game, and his role in the World's End video game. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.244.42.164 (talk) 15:45, 29 April 2007 (UTC).

[edit] The Curse

You might want to include WHY Barbossa and his crew on "his" ship, The Black Pearl, would want to lift the curse. Isn't immortality something Pirates would want? Do include that they can't feel or taste-they have been dying of thirst and want to drink and etc. etc....Gargoyle123 01:33, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Was that not already stated in the article? I thought it was... Dac 03:28, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Article talks about the movie more than the character in some places?

Perhaps someone should edit the "At World's End" section. It does explain what Barbossa did in the movie, but it also includes other stuff and reads more like a plot summary.69.243.150.229

Go ahead and do it. Be bold. Zain Ebrahim 14:16, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Barbossa's Necklace

Perhaps in the list of Barbossa's jewelry, there should be some mention of his necklace. The snake pendant he wears may have some meaning. It's at least worth noting, as there are reproductions being made and sold (an example here: http://www.strongblade.com/prod/sbmr-barbossapendant.html ) 76.178.171.41 23:30, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] First Mate?

How do we know that Barbossa was Jack's first mate? They never mention it explicitly. It may well be that Barbossa took over the pearl after the mutiny.Zain Ebrahim 11:15, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

It was stated by Gibbs that Barbossa was first mate. "He won't use that shot on anyone save one, his mutinous first mate." Will: "Barbossa." Emperor001 23:22, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

O ok. How did I forget that? Thanks. Zain Ebrahim 09:14, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] His First Name

Barbossa's first name is not mentioned in any of the movies. In the 3rd movie when all the Pirate Lords are voting on who they want to be king, they all say their title and name or full name. When Barbossa votes for himself, he just says Barbossa.

Well, sorry, but Jack says, "Hector!" to Barbossa, and it even says his first name in the essential guide mentioned in the second-to-last paragraph.And please sign your posts.BlackPearl14 15:55, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Apples and Treasure Island

Am I the only one who thought of the barrel of apples in Treasure Island? IIRc, it was brought on board on Long John Silver initiative -- himself a pirate. --MushroomCloud 14:59, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Though this is old...This is relevant...how? BlackPearl14Pirate Lord-ess 01:13, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
The influence of popular pirate lore on his character. Sounds important enough for me. --MushroomCloud (talk) 02:35, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
I never said it was unimportant, I just said it wasn't quite as relevant as other things, but maybe we could put it under a section called "Tie-Ins" or something. BlackPearl14Pirate Lord-ess 03:26, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Easter egg?

Under the Dead Man's Chest heading, I added that an easter egg of Barbossa can be seen in Tia Dalma's hut when Jack the monkey is standing over the boot on the floor. I heard of this from the commentary on the second DVD. anyone back me up on this? Sadams15 02:11, 28 December 2007

Why the hell is this needed? BlackPearl14Pirate Lord-ess 03:14, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Hey, I just felt like it. It's not need-to-know, but it's interesting. Sadams15 18:01, 9 January 2008

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[edit] What's in a name?

The name "Barbosa" (different spelling, I know) was, apparently, the name of a serial killer. :) Any connection? I'll look into it...Twitterpated. (talk) 02:43, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Off topic. BlackPearl14Pirate Lord-ess 03:12, 6 January 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Apples original research

"Could" "perhaps" "it may" are all wild, unsupported speculation on symbolism for apples. No references provided. Waerloeg (talk) 00:30, 25 May 2008 (UTC)