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[edit] New close combat and defense weapon for Royal Norweagin armed forces

The mp7 will replace the RNAF's mp5 as a part of their modernisation of their armed forces. they have already signed a deal with Heckler & Koch for 6500 weapons of this type. It won against its competitor the p90 during selection. The RNAF put weight on its superior flexability.

source: [1] & [2]

Translated synopsis of source 2:
"A little bandit with a punch"
Some of the reasons the RNARF choose the MP7 was its superior ammunition (4.6 x 30 mm) and muzzle velocity (750m pr sec) in comparison to the older mp5 (9x19mm & 400m pr sec). It also has an advanced red dot sight and the ability to be used in conjunction with night vision goggles. Take into account that it has double the effective range (200 meters), weighs less ( 0.5-1kg depending on loadout), increased penetration and its retractable stock this is definantly a little bandit with a punch.

[edit] Children's Section

For the sake of continuity, I removed the section on video games and movies. I've placed it here. If you were able to borrow your dad's car to see "State of the Union" and thought that the rifles they used there were 'tight', please IM your friends or add it to the discussion here. Believe it or not, this is an article about an actual, real-life gun! --Asams10 19:20, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Why, plenty of other guns have movies and video games sections. 82.37.211.135 18:59, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Popular culture sections on firearms-related articles are simply "trivia magnets" — so pretty much every video game or anime fanboy will stop by an article and edit it just to add his/her favorite game/anime to the list. It gets out of control, and these sections often grow way bigger than they're supposed to, without actually adding to the article. It becomes a list of indiscriminate trivia, which Wikipedia is not. --Squalla 21:20, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
Another reason for calling it the 'children's section' is that those who play video games don't have the decency and self control to keep trivia out of the gun section. Feel free to create your own page called "Guns in video games" or some sort of trivial list like that. However, Wikipedia is not a trivia collection.--Asams10 16:19, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Video games, believe it or not, are generally not played by children. The average age for a video game player is 30. The cultural impact of things like firearms is very important; some guns, like the FN P90, are very prevalent in popular culture. If the sections grow too long, they can always be split off, like with FN P90 in popular culture. Furthermore, it's generally not suggested that people see the talk pages for more info; if something's worth talking about, it's worth talking about in the article namespace. -LtNOWIS 02:32, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
Not generally suggested perhaps but I was trying to appease the children. It's also not generally suggested to place lists of trivia unrelated to a firearm in an article about a firearm. For instance, one does not have a laundry list of tabloid magazine articles or 'nude appearances' under the entry for Linda Hamilton. I can see the value if the use in a film has some sort of impact on a firearm. For instance, James Bond should be mentioned under the Walther PPK article. The problem is, kids (yes, the majority of video games are played by teen-aged boys, especially the shoot-em-up ones) jump from editing 400 video game and pop culture articles to a gun article... one that they have no clue about, and try to stomp on it. It's like grafitti.--Asams10 04:36, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
Not to burst your bubble, but 80% of gamers are in their late 20's to early 30's. It's decidedly unprofessional to judge a group on a few minor individuals. However I do agree that a section on whether a gun is used in a game or not does not need to be on that gun's page, it should be enough to have the link to this page when describing the contents of the game (or any other pop-culture appearance) on it's own page.GameJunkieJim 16:13, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
I'm not a professional, first of all, and I don't have a bubble to burst. Logically, an entry about a fictional depiction of a weapon has no place in an article about said weapon unless that depiction has some significant impact on the story of the weapon itself. If you take it personal, it's not meant as a personal or "ad-hoc" attack on you. Perhaps this is more telling of a deeper guilt over spending hours playing video games instead of making meaningful contributions? JK. --Asams10 18:23, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
Well, it appears you completely glossed over what I said. How sad for you, if you weren't being so defensive you would have realized that I agreed with you. Still do, in fact. So maybe you taking it personally is due to spending so much time looking for fault in others lifestyles?GameJunkieJim 19:09, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
Jim, please refrain from attacking the messenger long enough to reread my comments. You're tossing accusations without referencing what I've said that is an attack. My assumption is that you have a problem with the word "Children." Well, fine, it's just a semantics issue then. You're certainly welcome to disagree over the word "Children" if you prefer.--Asams10 16:03, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
Never said it was an attack. Go reread. I simply stated you were wrong in your assumption, and you were. Glaringly so, I might add. I never attacked you either, you are the only one attacking anyone here. Gamers, specifically. GameJunkieJim 16:06, 10 May

2006 (UTC)

[edit] MP7A1 Image

A short list of links to pictures of the mp 7:

Yes there are plenty of images of it around, but you can't just use any. They should be free from copyright. X360 06:27, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Do we have to use that ugly picture with that huge sight on top? The other one I put up had the standard red dot sight on top. It's actually better to have an angled shot so you can see more of the gun. -- X360 10:40, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

I've got a pretty good picture if I can find it. Took it at the SHOT show. The replacement picture was skewed and not proportional. For now, I have no idea where my picture is. --Asams10 09:14, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Can you please get a decent picture of it soon? X360 08:47, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

(If anyone hasn't realised, this picture has been replaced a while ago) X360 10:11, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

I don't know If I should just leave the image or use this one (since this one is free):
Image:MP7A1 - 2005 Version.jpg Do you think it would be better? X360 11:42, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Well anyway, since this discussion thread is so active (sarcasm intended), I have changed the image to the free one. X360 23:05, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

And we are back to the other one again. X360 00:33, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ministry of Defence Police

"In 2005, the MP7 was adopted by the British Ministry of Defence as the preferred weapon for equipping its own police force. The light weight of the weapon, as well as its close range accuracy, were both given as reasons for the purchase." Aletered the wording to make this more clear. Just out of interest, where did this info come from?

[edit] MP7 in UK

I don't know where the info came from, but I've confirmed that the police DO use MP7s although I am not sure when they adopted it or if it is their primary loadout. (Metroplex 15:16, 9 August 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Fire modes?

Does the MP7 have any fire modes other than automatic and safe?

NVM: From photos it appears to have automatic, safe, and single shot.

[edit] Shadowrun?

Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't Shadowrun a boardgame? If so, why is there an external link for it? (We are focusing on the real gun and not in video games, board games, movies, etc) X360 10:09, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Shadowrun is an RPG. There may be a spinoff boardgame. 217.7.209.108 11:54, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] MP7A1

Can people stop changing all the MP7 to MP7A1? I have stated in article that the current version is called MP7A1 and wrote the variant section to help people understand. I am constantly reverting edits over this. MP7 is still the base name, much like MP5 (not A1, A2, A3, A4, A5 etc.), M4 Carbine (not M4A1 for latest version), M82 Barrett rifle (not M82A1) X360 22:21, 26 March 2007 (UTC)


[edit] MP7 on Battlestar Galactica

Maybe this isn't warranted in the article, but MP7 is featured prominently with the Marines in Battlestar Galactica. Should this get mention in the article?

No, a great example was provided at the P90 page that i will use here. The MP7 is important to battlerstar, but battlestar is NOT important to MP7. So basicly its that while the MP7 could be metnioned on the battlestar page, battlestar shouldnt be mentioned Esskater11 18:01, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
Nope. Include it in the BG page if you want. Koalorka (talk) 16:37, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Dual wielding?

Does dual wielding this gun have about the same amount of control as dual wielding an Uzi? Malamockq (talk) 04:33, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Dual wielding leaves no controllability, period. One can't use two sets of sights independently of one another with any accuracy or effectiveness. By the way, remember, this is not a forum, it is a page dedicated to discussing improvements to the article.--LWF (talk) 04:37, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
Umm, yes I know that already. But that wasn't my question. I was asking does it have the same amount of control as dual wielding an Uzi. Malamockq (talk) 01:02, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
It would be more controllable than an Uzi. But it would still have little controllability.--LWF (talk) 03:39, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Image nomination

This image has already been added on a Wikipedia article police.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:US_Customs_and_Border_Protection_officers.jpg

88.105.119.182 (talk) 20:39, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

I don't see any MP7's in that picture, though - they appear to be carrying HK UMP's. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Billyboy982 (talk • contribs) 22:31, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

That is correct. There are no MP7's in that picture.13Tawaazun14 (talk) 20:35, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Yep, those are UMPs, not MP7s. The MP7's front sight is a flip-up, while those had fixed sights.--LWF (talk) 21:10, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
MP7s do not have to feature flip-up sights, though they are usually standard. The MP7 can be fitted with similar fixed sights like that of the UMP. However, the firearms pictured are definitely not MP7s, they are easily distinguished as UMPs by their overly large boxy shape, a foregrip mounted on a Picatinny rail, and a magazine in front of the pistol grip. Hayden120 (talk) 05:59, 10 April 2008 (UTC)