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I am watching a documentary on the national guard (US) and they are training with g36s. WHAT?!? since when do we use g36s? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.193.129.99 (talk) 00:42, August 28, 2007 (UTC)


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[edit] This stuff...

"Bundeswehr regulations actually prohibit weapon disassembly/assembly drills with a time limit for the G36, as it is feared the gas piston components might take damage from rough handling under time pressure." I'd like to have a source for that, please. We did disassembly/assembly drills plenty of times with the G36 when I was in the BW (2002-2003).84.152.114.159 06:55, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

"Bundeswehr regulations actually prohibit weapon disassembly/assembly drills with a time...." That´s bullshit. At my time in the german army every soldier was drilled to assembly/disassembly the G36 with a time limit. It´s not feared that the gas piston components might take damage. --DocBriggs 13:12, 11.03.2007 (CET)

[edit] Barrel Warpage?

According to forum posts on hkpro.com and ar15.com, the G36 barrel begins to sag after a single magazine at full auto, or prolonged semiautomatic fire. Dont have anything to verify that, but it should possibly be checked into.Tmaull 12:47, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Not true. This falls under the category of 'the sky is falling.' A barrel that weight will take about 500 rounds of continuous full-auto fire to begin to 'sag.'--Asams10 23:10, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
OK. Like I said I don't have anything factual to back that up. Tmaull 13:15, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
What happens is the handguard under the barrel catches on smoking and melts after 2-3 magazines of 30 rounds and the weapon's aim will remain jerked even after cooling. The US Secret Service dropped the G36 because of this very problem. This is also described in first person review, see the bottom of this talk page for the article from kalashnikov.hu 82.131.210.162 (talk) 08:25, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
Nobody can dispute this. In fact, secret government agents are sabatoging the Nazi, uh, I mean German G36 rifles to intentionally disparage the enemy. This entry waxes lots of conspiracy theory and paranoia. Yes, the gun is made of plastic. No, you can't take a lighter to it and cause it to burst in flames. Multiple magazines simply make the handguards hot, VERY hot on earlier models but that problem has been mitigated. You can melt an M16A1 lots easier; seen it happen. --'''I am Asamuel''' (talk) 10:16, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

A Question: Is there a G36E or V version with a picatinny rail? i saw this at first in the game "Battlefield 2", but i dont remember any configuration of the g36e/v with a picatinny rail, can anybody confirm (or not?) the existence?

That's the G36C. User:Superknijn

I don't want to edit this article just yet, but I've served a tour of duty with the Bundeswehr, and the "F" on the fire selector does not trigger full-auto fire, but a three-shot burst. However, it's been almost a year, and my memory may be getting spotty, so I'd prefer if someone can confirm this.

"F" means "Feuerstoß", and that means full-auto fire.

--- As the article suggests, there are multiple Trigger groups available. Besides the ones mentioned, there is also one with S,1/E,2,F often used in special forces, in a modified version, the G36K with smaller barrel. The F *always* stants for full-auto, but there is a variant which has full auto and double fire, which might cause the confusion here.

A bit of a trivia too is, that F is often called "Freedom" by german soldiers, which means that after your magazine is emptied, there is freedom. This holds for all german weapons with auto fire capabilities.

In my Bundeswehr time (back in the HK G3 days), I learned that if you select "F", take aim and press the trigger, you will get Frieden (German for peace). Maybe you get freedom with the G36, but the G3 requires intensive cleaning after that kind of fun. ;) --84.164.226.193 16:50, 25 March 2006 (UTC)


Annother thing about the reflex light. It actually works well with only a bit of moonlight too, and the batteries hold about 2-3 months of usualy combat operation (Which doesnt mean I always had a spare one with me)

[edit] UK use

A bit of trivia - the police were using G36Ks and carbine G36s during a raid in London. Dan100 (Talk) 13:24, July 29, 2005 (UTC)

The police use the G36K (the carbine) and the G36C (the commando) i find it easier to tell by the air vent holes on the forestock, 6 for the standard, 4 for the carbine, and 2 for the commando. yerkschmerk

Added France (GIPN confirmed, GIGN unconfirmed) and Mexico (license-produces G36 under the designation FX-05, see below) to the operators. When the FX-05 gets his own article the entry should be removed.--84.152.118.28 18:45, 29 June 2006 (UTC)ClydeFrog

No, the FX-05 doesn't need a separate article. It is a license-produced G36 by another name. --Asams10 17:47, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
Why was France deleted? GIPN and RAID (French SWAT) definetly use the versions G36k and c. If you don't beleive me check this page for example: http://le.raid.free.fr/gipn.htm
If only army issue counts then you'd have to remove all but Germany, Spain and Mexico. I'll add France until someone gives me a reason why they should not be up there.--ClydeFrog 19:28, 2 July 2006

I think it's pointless to add countries not using the g36 as the standard issue rifle to the list. Why? Because any self respecting elite or CT or commando or whatever top of the line unit would add the G36 to familiarize and use to their whim. It could be added to the respective entry of said elite unit if needed be. Otherwise it is just misleading, a simple "the rifle is also used by various CT and commando units for example etc" would do. Adding countries using it for their spec ops is plain confusing.

I agree and disagree at the same time for the following reasons:
1. It has to be official part of the armory of a country's unit to be included into that list. So just having bought a few for trial purposes doesn't count. At least I won't add any country to any list unless I know they are part of their official equipment. That's why, for example, Germany isn't a user of the AK74, although they have many of them left from NVA stocks.
2. Most other firearms articles do it this way.
BUT...
3. It's really a tad misleading to have all these countries in the list. Makes it look as if the G36 was as common as the M16 or AK, which it is clearly not.ClydeFrog 11:45, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
the UK has a place on the list though, not just because of the police use. but it almost seemed certain the British Army would adopt the G36, with the L85A1 being dropped from the NATO approved weapon list and H&K being british owned at the time.Also the possibility of conflicts in the wake after 9/11 put a stop on any major decisions, as an armed forces half way through replacing its main weapons system would be as good as no armed forces at all. yerkschmerk 01:23 (GMT), 24 November 2006

[edit] Netherlands use

What unit of Dutch police forces (I know (almost) for certain not the military) (could be Special Intervention units, but I've only seen foto's of them using MP5's and P90's) uses the G36, and which source was used?

[edit] Revision

I went through and revised the article for accuracy, clarity, grammar, and content. I tried to preserve the facts, clarify points, and remove redundancy. There was a great deal of dead space I also removed. I think the new article is more refined.--Asams10 20:39, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Films and Games

This is getting absurd. The list of games and films is beginning to dominate the article. Is there really a need for such nonsense?--Asams10 07:56, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Nobody is objecting. I'll give it a few more days and then pull down the list of games, tv shows, and films which I feel is way out of place in this article. If anybody would like to defend its placement here or has a better idea, please add to the discussion.--Asams10 00:23, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
I'm adding here what I removed from the primary article.--Asams10 18:36, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
Maybe theres a possibility to add an extra article about "Weapons in Computer Games and Movies" or something like that, with a list what weapon appeared in what tv-show/movie/game... i think it's very interesting for some people, including myself --85.176.45.148 13:25, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
Please add "pop culture" reference to List of firearms in films or List of firearms in video games, this information generally does not belong in Wikipedia (see what wikipedia is not, WP:NOT) --Deon Steyn 06:33, 8 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] TV

[edit] Games

[edit] Trivia

German soldiers sometimes call it a "Lego rifle" because of the plastic material and its low recoil.

They call it "Plastepeng", too... Plaste = slang for plastic Peng = Bang/Boom etc.

I have just read the article and found two mistakes: 1) The effective range is 500 m (stated in the manual of the Bundeswehr) 2) The range of the reflex sight is 200 m (The Paragraph "Technical Data" specifies 100 m)

Actually its not "Plastepeng", its "Plastik-Peng-Peng" or "Tupperteil" which means "Tupperware".

When I was in the Bundeswehr we used the terms "Legogewehr", "Plaste-Peng-Peng" and "Tupperteil". The term "Plastik-Peng-Peng" is less used. By the way the fun-generic term for guns and truncheons is "Meinungsverstärker", which means "Opinion Booster".

[edit] FX Oh Five

The Mexican license-built G36 looks quite different from the G36, and if not it's own article it should at least have some sort of mention with a picture of it. I'm not too educated on it, but I saw a low-resolution picture of it and it's definitely different. Looks like G36 with a splash of XM8. Joffeloff 12:57, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

no...? the 1st productions of G36s in mexico look pretty much the same...besides do you have a link to that pic? the 36 only got adopted around about last year i doubt that it deserves its own page , because it operates just like the G36 and looks exactly the same, besides even if it did look different , theres not enough info on it yet to be worthy of a whole page.
The Mexican FX-05 is NOT produced under any licence from any company. It was designed at the CIADTIM (Centro de Aplicación y Desarrollo Tecnológico de la Industria Militar) by Mexican engineers, most from the IPN (Instituto Politécnico Nacional). Its development was in charge of Chief Military Industry General Oropeza Garnica, and General Iztiga Landeros. Mexico was to build a rifle under licence from HK, with machinery from them, but due to high cost decided to design and build its own rifle. I can tell you this because I personally spoke with Generals of the Mexican Army, and went to review the factories, and met the engineers, and watched the fabrication process. However I'm almost sure it uses (by the moment, while the Mexican optics team develops its own) the same optical sight as the G-36 -- you may see it without the sight here http://worldtrends.blogspot.com/2006/09/fx-05-la-vista.html, that's why it might resemble it a little. I will delete the text stating it is built under licence from HK, and when I have some time I will start making its own article. --pptudela 20:02, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
AFAIK the they had the option to either build the G36 under license or buy the technology and the machinery and designed their own rifle with it. And they chose the latter. No matter how much people emphasize it's not related to the G36, every picture of the FX-05 proves them wrong: Everything is at the same exact same location as with the G36 and the magazine and flash hider are identical to the G36k. All this indicates that it is internally a G36, with a new designed receiver and charging handle. Before anyone proves me otherwise I will continue to see it as that.

[edit] F=Feuerstoß

F means "Feuerstoß" German for burst fire mode!!!

indeed F means "Feuerstoß" and if you translate this literally it's "burst fire mod" BUT F stands for "full-auto"

or as the German soldiers dub it, F like "Frieden" (peace). ;)
Or, with the SEF trigger group, you have the American version
S-Safe
E-Economical (Single)
F-Fun! (Full)

F does not stand for "Feuerstoß", it stands for "fully automatic" or (German) "Dauerfeuer". This article is incorrect in that respect, as are the G3 and G41 articles. See the official HK homepage for proof: English version [1] and German version [2] Groogokk 22:10, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

F does stand for Feuerstoß. You can find this in the service regulations of the Bundeswehr. H&K uses the word "Dauerfeuer" to explain the modes of fire on their website. --83.171.161.208 00:43, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

It indeed stands for Feuerstoß, it simply is that "Dauerfeuer" makes more sense for people not into weapons. Every single HK Manual (German and English) explaining SEF calls it Feuerstoß and explains it as being full-auto mode. Many people might think of a 3-shot burt because of the word "Feuerstoß" but that doesn't matter as it officially is called that way. Not to mention that an assault rifle is not meant to operate in "Dauerfeuer" anyway. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.177.205.70 (talk) 16:33, August 30, 2007 (UTC)

[edit] LMG36

The LMG36 is not use by the German Army. The Project was terminated ~1995. Only the bibod and Drum has left. The G36 with Drum and bibod are not a LMG. The Rifle is not equipped with a heavy Barrel and the Designation is Supporting weapon. (Unterstützungswaffe). Sorry for the english.--88.73.198.10 18:16, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Optics

I just updated the optics section to what I recall when I fired a G36 at a Bundeswehr range in Hannover. I recall the upper red dot optic being 1.5x magnification and our Bundi coaches said it was only for night time. The HK.de website lent evidence to both so I tried to make it inclusive. Any comments on this from prior Bundis? Rob - burningchrome

Being a former German soldier: No, the red-dot doesn't magnify. And it is used for quick acquisition of immediate threats whether it's day- or nighttime. If it was only for night why would it have this cell for collecting sunlight (to project the reddot without using the battery)? ;-)84.152.95.64 10:29, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
I heard civilan owners can only use the battery powered night red dot function, as the material that is used to collect light for using the day red dot sight is illegal, so is only present in the army models. yerkschmerk 01:30 (GMT), 24 November 2006
I am pretty sure you heard wrong. What is illegal is using radioactive tritium instead of battery power for the night illumination (as some other military rifles do). -- Marcika 16:58, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Rumour in- and outside the Bundeswehr has it that one could remove the reflex sight by applying brute force and thus be able to use the open sight integrated into the handle. However, this tale can be considered an urban legend, since in most instances the procedure mentioned above will leadt to severe damage or destruction of the handle and/or other parts of the weapon. The following link (http://www.waffenhq.de/specials/g36optik.html) redirects to a page with some interesting pictures demonstrating what damages could occur when trying to remove the reflex sight (unfortunately, the explanatory notes are in German,but the pictures speak for themselves. NB: The introduction states that the weapon used was a soft-air replica, whereas the handle and the sights were real parts taken from an authentic rifle). -- 89.52.145.56 21:00, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Google translates it for you: Click here But don't take much stock in the article, this is an AirSoft toy, not a real G36. --Asams10 03:49, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
Well, thank you for your remark! You are right, of course, the weapon used was a replica, but the entire handle with the sights attached were genuine (unfortunately, Google wasn't able to translate the german compound noun "Originalteil", which means "original part"). As one can see clearly on the pictures, the attempted removal of the reflex sight resulted in severe damage to the handle, that was of no use after the afore mentioned procedure (the open sight on top of the handle is out of alignment and therefore of no use when trying to take an aimed shot). I think the fact that the weapon itself was a replica could be considered secondarily, since the main question posed was what damages could occur to the handle and the sight, which, as mentioned above, were original parts. --89.52.184.78 08:15, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Magazine similarities with SIG 550?

Do the SIG 550 mags fit with the G36 and vice versa? Ominae 08:03, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

AFAIK they don't.
they really do, because they are the same


No, completely different, will not work together. Koalorka (talk) 16:40, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Who changed the picture?

The previous picture was much clearer - black gun on white background looks much better than black gun on dark green/brown background. 86.131.75.16 21:14, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Yeah

Wouldn't it just be the Gewehr36 instead of Gewehr G36, since the "G" in G36 stands for Gewehr.

If that's what the Bundeswehr calls it, it stays in the article. Maybe they have a Department of Redundancy Department that named the gun? Redxiv 10:43, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
IF that's what the Bundeswehr calls it. Does anyone have a source for that? It's the first I've heard of it, although I'm by no means an expert. 69.88.255.239 07:16, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
The official page of the German Army (Heer) (http://www.deutschesheer.de/portal/a/heer) presenting the rifle designates it as "Gewehr G36". Though strictly speaking being a tautology (because, as stated above, "G" stands as abbreviation for "Gewehr"), the given designation should be considered official, since it appears in an official document.
Here's the link to the precise page:
http://www.deutschesheer.de/portal/a/heer/kcxml/04_Sj9SPykssy0xPLMnMz0vM0Y_QjzKLd4838wsCSYGZ7ub6kTCxoJRUfV-P_NxUfW_9AP2C3IhyR0dFRQAV1zRM/delta/base64xml/L2dJQSEvUUt3QS80SVVFLzZfR182TzQ!?yw_contentURL=%2FC1256F870054206E%2FW2697DJQ943INFODE%2Fcontent.jsp
--89.52.131.4 09:09, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] G36 picture looks false

The G36 picture shows a Marui G36C airsoft gun, not the real gun. Just have a look at the fire selector or a the bullet magazine... Guerric

[edit] Mg36

There's not a seperate article and I found no information whatsoever whether the mg36 was perhaps less accurate, or had a different ROF than the standard g36 and other information I would be curious to read about the mg36, yet there is little information on this lmg. This page at the top even says it's an assault rifle but only when the mg36 is mentioned does it say it's an lmg. The article is listed as an assault rifle, and people searching for the mg36 only get this article, and as their first search result, not actually taken to this page. In some instinces it could make people doubt the existence of the mg36 itself. Sorry if something doesn't make sense, I'm extremely tired.

-Tribal

The MG36 is basically a G36 with a heavy barrel and a bipod. The reason there isn't much info on it is because it was never adopted by anyone, because you could just take a standard G36 and put a 100 round Beta C-Mag on it and get almost the same thing. I'm gonna make a redirect page so when someone types "MG36" in the search engine it'll take them straight to this article. You can find some more info on the MG36 here. — DanMP5 03:21, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] M16 magazine compatibility?

I was wondering, can any of the G36 series rifles accept metal M16 rifle magazines? I recall seeing a picture of an H&K SL8 (civilian version of the G36) that was fitted with a 30-round M16 magazine and was wondering if any other version of the G36 could do this as well? Orca1 9904 16:59, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

The magazine catches for the ar15-type magazines are not compatible with the type of catch on the G36 family of weapons. The ar15 uses a button catch with a small depression in the side of the magazine, while the G36 uses a lever-type catch, which holds the magazine in place by catching on a small hook-like protrusion on the back of the magazine. unless the magazine housing and latch were replaced with the type found on the ar15, it would not be able to use that type of magazine.Roflcoptor 19:15, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

I was under the impression that all NATO members weapons had to be compatible with M16 style magiznes. Though i dont remember if Germany is even in NATO lol. Esskater11 02:42, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

STANAG magazine and a number of search results say that the G36 has a modular magazine well that can be readily switched with one computable with M16/STANAG mags. John Nevard (talk) 04:43, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
Yes, they are compatible. HK just makes their own magazines since they felt they could improve on Colt's magazine design. (From personal experience this is true. The translucent magazine makes it easier to gauge how much ammo is left, and the studs for clipping together magazines work quite well.) - Marcika (talk) 22:26, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
No, that's not true. Not wure where you came up with that. As was said earlier, HK produces a magazine well module that replaces the standard G36 magazine well and then you can use the magazines. In other words, you have to change an assembly on the gun for it to work. Don't bother. G36 mags are exponentially more reliable and durable. --'''I am Asamuel''' (talk) 23:27, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Users/Operators

Do we really need both of these sections? I would suggest combining both into the Operators section and getting rid of users. Any thoughts? Nburden 04:53, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Mayby we merge the users into operators and have a short paragraph with what was in the user section. ForeverDEAD 19:45, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps the information about Sweden should go away. Information about which equipment that regiment use classified and should not be broadcasted at wikipedia although it's is well known that they use this particular weapon. /Patrik 10:48 CET 7/1 -08

[edit] Criticism section needed

Here is an english language report of what experienced eastern european AK-47 users think about the G-36 after one week of hard training in the field: http://www.kalasnyikov.hu/index.php?page=cikkek&story=36&episode=1

Mostly they think it is a piece of junk, which combines WWII-proven fault prone excessive german engineering with a "Made in China" plastic feel and durability (or lack thereof). The G-36 is best seen as a miserably failure, which H&K has honestly reworked into the excellent M416. 82.131.210.162 (talk) 08:21, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Alright then. Koalorka (talk) 16:37, 26 May 2008 (UTC)