Talk:Hebron massacres

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Can someone find a refernce that show the Massacre carried by Goldstein is called "Hebron massacre",As you may know Hebron is the Jewish name. Palestinian refer to the city by the name Al-Khalil" and to the massacre as "the Ibrahimi mousqe massacre". Zeq 10:03, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Since this is only a disambiguation page, it is only necessary that the event is sometimes called that. Many examples can be found using Google: [1], [2], [3], [4], etc etc. --Zero 10:17, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

I'd like to ask the same question about the third event, which I don't recall ever being called that. --Zero 10:17, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

I agree with Zero's comment above. The only event called the Hebron massacre is the 1929 Ethnic cleansing. Zeq 12:18, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Please read more carefully. I did not write that at all. --Zero 00:22, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Although it happened over ten years ago I'd recall that it was called the "Hebron massacre" by the media in Scandinavia. There was an anon here a month ago that removed the links to the Mosque of Abraham incident entirely, thus censoring the page. I'd like to see as much links as possible on disambiguation pages to assist in finding information. And let us all stay frosty shall we? ;) Scoo 10:52, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Regarding the riots in 1929

Rather than having constant edits and reverts, how about a discussion on the matter? Since this is a disambiguation page the text ought to be rather short and concise. How about a sentence that mention both evacuation and ethnic cleansing? For example something along the lines of "..was followed by evacuation of the Jew population, which some would label ethnic cleansing...". Or perhaps removing all after-the-event info (apply to all entries). Ideas? Scoo 12:58, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

The text as it is now is concise and accurate. There was really no need for disambiguation page at all. People who look in encyclopdia for it are looking for the 1929 Massacre in Hebron which reulted in WEthnic Cleansing of the whole Jewish comunity there.

Instead they get to this page which refer them to a totaly inacuurate page about the whole 1929 events - that page mention the massacre only at the end and before that present half truth (I always admire the people who can start writing about history only from the point where it is convinet to their POV). An encyclopedia page about the massacre should talk about the massacre. If we must have a disambiguation page to mention Goldstien massacre I can accept that as long as the page clearly talks about the 1929 massacre. PS I think it would be intersting to also bring the web page of the descntdetns of the original hebron Jews who say the Ethnic cleansing of their parents does not justify what the Kahane paoeple are doing today in the city (which is horrible but that only my Original research) Zeq 13:36, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

I would point out that we have a 1-liner 2-liner and 3-liner so if we need to make anything shorter it is not the 1-liner.. Zeq 13:38, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

I disagree with you on this: People who look in encyclopdia for it are looking for the 1929 Massacre in Hebron which reulted in WEthnic Cleansing of the whole Jewish comunity there.. I was myself looking for the Goldstein incident, and through this very disambiguation page I found out about the events in 1929. I'd rather not decide what people may or may not look for (i.e. your people are looking for). If you do not like the article regarding the riots in 1929, then you should make it better by editing and adding to it. A disambiguation page should merely be a tool for people to find articles. I's sure there exist an official policy on this, but in my experience a disambiguation page should only provid sparse info, the relevant info may then be obtained from the corresponding article.

OK. Fine. Keep both. Zeq 16:41, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

I propose removing all post-event (and the like) entries on Hebron massacre, leaving just the basics (like this one for example Chaparral (disambiguation) ). If an editor do not agree with the content on the pages that the disambig page refer to, then those articles ought to be edited and not a disambiguation page that other people may not know of or keep on their watchlist. Scoo 14:18, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

In this case it should resolve to Hebron 1929 massacre The massacre and the cleansing are the same. The wall riot (that actually started in 1922) are not the main issue - the massacre is. Zeq 16:41, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Regarding the 2002 incident, perhaps it should have an entry of its own or at Tomb_of_the_Patriarchs, then we could modify all content on Hebron massacre in order to comply with Wikipedia:Disambiguation (and thus avoid this edit war). Scoo 11:15, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Scoo suggestion is a good one, although what we need to do is keep things short and refer to the right place. The Ethnic Cleansing was part of the events that are known as "The Hebron massacre". It may not fit some people POV but the 1929 events are the killing of Hebron Jews and destruction of that comunity.

If the referal from this article will be to articles: 1. Hebron massacre 2. Tomb of partiarch massacre

this would solve the problem.

Whay I could not accept is referal to 1929 riots (with no real mention of the massacre/Ethnic cleansing.

Zeq 13:32, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] The events of 1994

maybe we should change the 1994 incident (in the name of NPOV) to "Events in 1994 in which 64 people were killed, among them 29 muslims killed by one jew." ???? Zeq 05:15, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion

This dab page should be deleted. There is no dab regarding the term. Chavatshimshon 04:40, 28 November 2006 (UTC)