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[edit] "Non-Conformist"

It strikes me as odd that any description of a fashion adopted by enough people to merit an encyclopedia article---inclusion justified by assertions that the style is "popular" or a "trend"---can be described in the same breath as "non-conformist," etc. Such remarks really have to go.Dpmath (talk) 06:50, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bob Halford

This page finally has its first cited source, regarding the inspiration for Bob Halford's fateful turn to leather/motorcycle fashion in 1978.Dpmath (talk) 00:19, 12 December 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Confused.

I was looking around and I came across this article: http://www.agoracosmopolitan.com/home/Fashion/2006/03/06/01007.html I had read this wikipedia article beforehand and I was pretty sure I didn't see it referenced here, so was it stolen from here, or the other way around?

The website says that that page was created in 2005, while this article came from way before then, so I think it's safe to say they stole it from here. Desdinova 14:06, 20 December 2006 (UTC)


Ok, enlighten me. This is from the article: "Although Nazi imagery is generally frowned upon, some choose more closely fascist-associated symbols such as the swastika". Has anyone here ever seen a true metalhead who supported fascist imagery? If so, I wouldn't want to delete this, but if this is just vandalism or POV, it should be taken out. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 205.247.164.49 (talk) 19:02, 7 December 2006 (UTC).
I know some metallers who have fairly sympathetic views to fascism, but they are not a large enough group to warrant mention here. Removed. Desdinova 14:06, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

We're just talking about imagery here, remember? Slayer's Iron Eagle logo, Motörhead's Iron Crosses etc... I have an iron cross and Slayer's Iron Eagle logo on my kutten, but it doesn't mean I'm fascist in nay way. (In fact I support left wing ideologies). -J. 10:47, 16 march 2007.

[edit] Pictures

This article needs more pictures. Fabio Lione is good for a fan of power metal. Doppelganger 23:00, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] More Metal Bands

I think this article needs to mention more bands, like a list of typical metal bands that people listen to:

  • Judas Preist
  • Slayer
  • Megadeth
  • Iron Maiden
  • Saxon
  • Sabbath

and at least mention the "stereotypical" metal head e.g. Lemmy


sorry man but lemmy doesnt concider himself or his music metal. but for a "sterotypical" metalhead, i would suggest george "corpsegrinder" fisher and tony demaio

[edit]  ?

are studded belts acceptable? i see a lot of metalheads wearing them nowadays.

No not really. It's been way to commercialized. Most "scene" kids or Hot Topic goers are the ones who use them, and the typical music most of them listen isn't really metal. However, studded bracelets (leather), gauntlets and the like are acceptable.

Studded belts are entirely acceptable, though they are more likely to be attributed to hardcore fans, it's still quite promenant in Black and Death metal scences, but not as famous as bullet belts. ≈ Maurauth (nemesis) 15:03, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Hardcore fans don't wear studded belts, you're mistaking them metalcore fans. Inhumer 20:17, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes they do, not only does metalcore derive itself from hardcore and therefore have crossover fans, but many of my friends like hardcore music and wear studded belts and those stupid trucker type army caps. I also play guitar/vocals in a hardcore band and stil love to wear bullet belts and Burzum t-shirts, so you can hardly say that all fans of a certain genre dress that way. ≈ Maurauth (nemesis) 10:41, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

The only "hardcore fans" who wear studded belts are the ones who think bands like Atreyu and Throwdown are Hardcore.Inhumer 16:47, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Nah, one of my friends really likes Atreyu but says they're Metalcore not Hardcore. Again, you're just trying to be disruptive. ≈ Maurauth (nemesis) 18:56, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

No, I just hate it when people think bad metal bands with tons of breakdowns and kids with hair in front of one eye doing "ninja kicks" is Hardcore. Inhumer 01:20, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

I love the insinuation that bad metal bands become hardcore since it's easier to play. ≈ Maurauth (nemesis) 18:19, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

What I meant and said was that I hate when idiots(not that you're an idiot) think bad metal bands with tons of breakdowns in their music are Hardcore Punk bands.I'm a fan of real Hardcore Punk, not the type of bands I previously mentioned. Also, Hardcore Punk fans are rarely fans of "metalcore" bands. Also, Please don't accue me of saying something I didn't say. Inhumer 02:49, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] black t-shirt

I'm a 13 year old kid that is really getting in to the metal culture , but I need some 'real' metal clothes (I only got normal clothes), so can somebody tell me what a basic metal outfit is and where I can get/buy most of them ? And btw , is it good to wear a black t-shirt without a brand or metalband ?Chibi kain 20:16, 1 September 2007 (UTC)Chibi kain

Yes it is generally acceptable. A good way to start is to go to eBay, buy some band shirts, and get some tight blue jeans. A basic metal outfit is described in this article... Doppelganger 20:57, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Female black metal fans wearing Victorian or Medeival dresses

That doesn't sound right to me. It sounds too goth for black metallers. I'm erasing that statement from the article unless someone can give me proof that it's true. I haven't met a female black metaller but I doubt they wear that kinda clothing.

I've only ever met a few females who likes black metal. They all dressed the same as guys did basically. Band shirts and jeans. They weren't goth at all, which is completely gay. Blizzard Beast $ODIN$ 20:19, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wow

This article is a complete load of shit. It needs to be completely wiped and rewritten. Not only is it full or major mistakes, it looks as if a 13 year old wrote it for a school project. Curly hair for power metallers? Hahahaha. What? Who came up with that one? It's a classic.

[edit] Fashion part at bottom

I have now reworded this to make it gender NPOV, it was totally relevant to both sexes not just females - so it now indicates a proper passage of speech. --Lemons&Limes (talk) 18:25, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Why is there nothing on footwear at the fashion in detail part —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.13.76.73 (talk) 19:31, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

i no it says it at the top of the article but like jackets and shirts it could go in to more depth and converse baseball boots are not mentioned even tho they have become heavly associated with the emo and scene trends they are still a large part of alterntive fashion and were long before such trends as emo and scene and i think metal is included in this as many metalheads were them and skinny jeans are not non exsistnt just not as common as the 80s becasue of them being associated with emo and thel ike when they were the fashion but many metalheads still were them including myself —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.13.76.73 (talk) 19:39, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] This article is bullshit...and total shit as well

Seriously. This article is full of POV and OR. When I get a chance I'm gonna do a comprehensive rewrite and what not. I'm gonna be deleting a lot of stuff probabaly and changing a lot of bullshit. This article is completely wrong in a lot of regards. It really sucks. Blizzard Beast $ODIN$ 20:21, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

SHIT! I can't even deal with this. This article is so horrible I can't start anywhere. Most of it is wrong, and there's a ton of POV and OR that I can't handle. It's time to destroy it. Blizzard Beast $ODIN$ 21:16, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Detele this article

This is arctile is should be deleted.Metal heads some follow the fashion and others don't care.Metal is very diverse.It doesn't follow any look —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.228.93.250 (talk) 01:10, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

I will move your comment to the AfD page. Blizzard Beast $ODIN$ 19:45, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Nu metal

This article seems like it was written by a bunch of nu metal and possibly metalcore fans. It's describing them more than anything else in many sections...idiots. Blizzard Beast $ODIN$ 20:22, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Just so everyone knows

I'm about to delete almost every single section of this article due to its original research, falsities and lack of sources backing up anything' it says. Some of the material in here is ridiculous. Blizzard Beast $ODIN$ 21:33, 27 March 2008 (UTC)


Good thing you did.this needs more pictures of 80s heavy metal fashion.


[edit] Black metal fashion

I think this fashion exists.perticutly the die hard Norwegian black metal fans often wear all black.I was wondering adding a paragraph about it rather than the article —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.228.93.250 (talk) 09:31, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Mead horns?

Come on now, seriously, mead horns? Aside from some folk/viking band posing with them for a photo, I doubt this is part of the average metal fan's attire. I haven't seen many people carrying mead horns around. In fact, most Amon Amarth and fans of folk and viking metal are fans on the periphery of metal who dress far more normally than what is expected of a metal fan. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.167.92.235 (talk) 09:08, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

That's because that's original research and should be deleted. Feel free to do so. Blizzard Beast $ODIN$ 00:07, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Stinking pile of crap

This article should be deleted. No one is doing any work on it. Plus metalhead already has a fashion section. *waits patiently for everyone to rush over to that article and ruin it as well* 76.105.51.176 (talk) 18:41, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion

Can we please delete this article? I'm horrified that anyone might view and actually believe a single thing in the article. I convulse just at the mere thought of someone viewing this page and thinking it's anywhere near the truth. Blizzard Beast $ODIN$ 23:12, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Deleting this article, although apparently your fervent desire, would not be of use to our users, who will come to Wikipedia wishing to learn more about this subject. We must keep our users foremost in our minds, as editors of WP. Although, like any other WP article, this article may be improved, blanking or deleting is simply not the answer (for whatever reason you wish to do so). Badagnani (talk) 19:44, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
I'm not delting it. I am deleting all the original research. You are in blatant violation with what you just said of wikipedia rule. Please read [[WP:V]. You are right that we must think of the users first. Which is why all the OR has to be deleted out of this article. It has to be verified. We cannot allow users to view misinformation. There is no argument here. I've been through similar issues. I know which is the right side. Right now that's mine. I;ve had whole article deleted before down to a few sentences because of OR. Because it needs to verified with reliabel sources. We cannot allow users to view misinformation because of wikipedia. Blizzard Beast $ODIN$ 19:57, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
On the contrary, there was a great deal of uncontroversial basic information, as well as sourced text (with external link) summarily blanked without discussion. That is highly improper and not helpful to our users. Badagnani (talk) 20:01, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
No, on the contrary, "there was a great deal of uncontroversial basic information," is your POV. This article has ONE source. Yes, I deleted it as I had to delete everything else (incl. the things that brought up that sentence) as OR. I did discuss it. I warned that I would do this a while ago. And per WP:V I can do it. You are disservicing our users and you will probably be blocked. You are on the wrong. Blizzard Beast $ODIN$ 20:12, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
WP:V states, "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth—meaning, in this context, whether readers are able to check that material added to Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source, not whether we think it is true." Which means I can delete most of this article and the metalhead article and I will be doing wikipedia and its readers a service. Blizzard Beast $ODIN$ 20:14, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Text removed from article, 20 May 2008

“ The imagery and values of historic Celtic, Saxon, Viking and Chivalric culture is reflected heavily in metal music, by bands such as Blind Guardian, and has its impact upon the everyday fashion and especially the stagegear of metal artists. The independence, masculinity and honor of the warrior ethos is extremely popular amongst metalheads, as is the rejection of modern day consumerist and metrosexual culture. Folk metal, viking metal and to a lesser extent black metal and power metal fans often grow long thick hair and beards reminiscent of a stereotypical Viking, Saxon and Celt, wear Thor's Hammer pendants and other neopagan symbols and carry mead horns. On stage, in photoshoots and in music videos it is very common for bands of these genres such as Turisas and Moonsorrow to wear chain mail, animals skins, warpaint (such as woad) and other Dark Ages themed battle gear. Power metal fans and musicians such as Rhapsody of Fire often wear attire reminiscent of the Renaissance and the Middle Ages including tight black or brown leather trousers and wide sleeved, buttonless shirts of various colors. The imagery of bards and minstrels as well as knights is a popular part of power metal fashion. ”

Badagnani (talk) 23:33, 20 May 2008 (UTC)