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[edit] Brain Damage

It seems rather unfair to con the statement 'When it comes down to it, most people who headbang won't care about the repercussions and do it any way.' onto the brain damage part. This is implying that people who headbang couldn’t care if they are damaged or not, that’s blatantly a opinion and is quite rude to anybody who headbangs.

[edit] The Herman Li style

Is the Herman Li hairflip less straining than any other styles? I think that style is good if your hair is too long like Herman's and you don't want to hurt your neck.

Someone should remove the Herman Li thing... flipping your hair isn't something that's notable.

Why is the herman Li hairflip removed? I think it is a very notable style and used mainly by Herman.

[edit] The Brain Damage Question

i would say that headbanging definitely leads to brain damage, as even mild shocks to the head, such as those occuring whilst jogging, can cause brain damage. so its not my point of view, but a fact.

Steeev 06:01, 27 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Add a respected study with the warning (perhaps as an external link), and then it will be less of a problem to mention as a fact. Dysprosia 06:04, 27 Nov 2003 (UTC)


5. Can brain injury occur without direct trauma to the head?
Yes. Whiplash injury or violent shaking of the head can cause brain injury. It is the sudden movement of the brain inside the cranium that causes damage to neurons. Sudden acceleration-deceleration of the head in an automobile collision, even with airbag deployment where the head is protected from striking a solid object, can cause brain injury because the brain slams against the inside of the skull, displacing, tearing, and bruising nerve cells. A roller coaster ride may make you feel dizzy for a few minutes due to inner ear disturbance, but produces nowhere near the physical force of even a 20 or 30 mph automobile crash. Even what seems like a sudden stop at the end of the ride (which, of course, it really isn’t) is nothing compared to hitting a stationary object at just 15 or 20 mph.
source: http://www.brainsource.com/TwentyQ.htm
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Steeev 06:14, 27 Nov 2003 (UTC)
Okay, but can one's head be moving at 15-20 mph when headbanging? Dysprosia 13:56, 27 Nov 2003 (UTC)
Depends on the speed of the music! :) Steeev 18:17, 27 Nov 2003 (UTC)
that's about 7 meters per second
I'm taking out the line about "deaths having been reported" through headbanging until someone can provide a quotable reference - a quick look around Google hasn't turned up anything definitive. --Mpk 01:33, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
I guess I'm more interested in finding out about studies that specifically show that Headbanging causes head injuries, and that the whole concept isn't just some urban legend told by parents to children to scare them away from "the wrong crowd" (as rock and rollers typically have the "wrong crowd" attachment loaded on them). --Werty8472 19:51, 05 October 2005 (CST)
I think you'd have to be a hard-touring member of a metal band to even stand a chance from incurring damage from it. Most people don't do it that violently. Makron1n 16:41, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

"Most metalheads will wake up the following day with a headache showing there has been some trauma to the brain." I'm wondering where this comes from? I don't recall having a headache after headbanging, and I don't remember hearing anyone mentioning having a headache the morning after headbanging ... not counting people with hangovers from drinking. I'm thinking of changing this to read "some metalheads...", "... there might have been some trauma ..." Kiffer.geo 00:20, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] BRAIN DAMAGE !?!?!?

I just think that could be logical, when somebody headbangs regularly, the brain and the substance in which is the brain “swimming”, could get used to some percussion so that the substance becomes denser and is more produced. The human body makes things like this ordinarily: if you strain your muscles regularly, the grow but they don't get damaged. I can headbang on a concert without interruption for 3 hours with no problem because my head got used to it. But I must exercise. Of course if somebody who never did this headbangs offhand 10 minutes, he says it hurts.


In fact, what is even more important: the head doesn't impact to any object when headbanging so I really don't understand how can you compare headbanging to (citing) "automobile collision" or "striking a solid object" "hitting a stationary object at just 15 or 20 mph"(somebody above)-What are you talking about???? Even with an airbag the speed of a car is something different than headbanging.

And objectively about the speed: If you listen to a very fast death metal, and if you make headbangs about 50cm down, 50cm up, you wouldn't make more than about 4 to 5 in a second. It is 4 to 5, m/s and you must subtract the acceleration and deacceleration. So (citing) "20 or 30 mph automobile crash" is cca 10 to 13m/s. So I don't know how you, but I am not hiting the walls when I headbang and I also don't make 20 regular up-and-downs in a second so if nothing hurts me, I think it doesn't damage my brain. It just makes my neck stronger.

Maybe I talk bullshit cause I am not a doctor so I don't understand it really but this above is just pretty logical. --Lycantrophe 12:04, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Types of headbanging

The list of "types" of headbanging seems a bit rediculous. I'm all for headbanging, but are those real words people call the various "techniques", or just BS? Perhaps just describing the ways of doing it would be better than proclaiming titles for those techniques.


The "Whiplash" is an actual term. And the "Semi-Circle", even thought that's not so much a name as it is a desciption in itself. ie "Yeah, he was doing some, like, semi-cirle headbangin'."

hah, I can't believe there was an article on this, somebody must of been bored, anyway I added drunken head banging as thats what I tend to do most of the time. 14th March 2006

I find it quite amusing, and it's written in the right style so, meh! Wikipedia can't be entirely humourless. Also: I tend to mainly do semi-circular headbanging, and at all the wrong venues. Heh. Makron1n 16:40, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Subculture deletion

Hey, wanst theyre an article on the headbanger subculture? Was it deleted, why? Ace Fighter 22:15, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

No, see Heavy metal fashion. Doppelganger E 16:29, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Health issues

I'm still interested in a solution to the brain damage issue, since it seems it's still up for debate. To me it seems fairly logical that there's some minor adverse effect to headbanging; I've often felt dizzy and unable to concentrate after a prolonged headbanging session, and the duration of time for which the brain is subjected to stress might also be a factor. I'm surprised neurologists haven't investigated the issue since the practice is almost iconic for metal.

Also relevant to the "Health issues" header, Jon Schaffer of Iced Earth had to get surgery and cancel many tours because of a neck injury from headbanging. This happened around 2005 and used to be documented on the News part of the Iced Earth site, but for now, here's a blurb from an online article:

""I had a neck injury back in '96, I had surgery on that in 2000, and for four years we were out touring, and I just dealt with it, getting cortizone shots in my neck and all kinds of stupid crap that made it worse. But I would have made that sacrifice had the right opportunity come up, but we just didn't have that."

http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=37045

Reportedly Jason Newsted had similar problems. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.167.95.120 (talk) 21:21, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Children of Bodom's Headbanging

in Chaos Ridden Years, during the song Sixpounder, All of the members Headbang the same exact way at one point towards the begining of the song. I'm not sure, but I think it's Side to side. So Not just Alexi Laiho of Children of Bodom does it. Again, I'm not exactly sure, because I havn't seen it in a while. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.31.9.72 (talk) 01:22, 23 February 2008 (UTC)