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[edit] South West Pacific Area

I reverted your changes for two reasons. (1) There is more than one kind of "General" and "Admiral" (see Comparative military ranks of World War II) and we have separate articles for each rank. (2) It is against Wikipedia style to link the same thing many times in one article. Grant65 | Talk 02:31, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Please see Talk:South West Pacific Area. Thanks, Grant65 | Talk 09:47, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Leslie Morshead article

Hi, I'm really impressed with your expansions to the article on Morshead. Keep up the good work! --Nick Dowling 10:48, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rupert Downes

Hi Hawkeye7. You are off to such a great start on the article Rupert Downes that it may qualify to appear on Wikipedia's Main Page under the Did you know... section. Appearing on the Main Page would help bring publicity to the article. However, there is a five day from article creation window for Did you know... nominations. Before five days pass from the date the article was created, please consider nominating the article to appear on the Main Page by posting a nomination at Did you know suggestions. Again, great job on the article. -- Jreferee (Talk) 14:32, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

Updated DYK query On June 29, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Rupert Downes, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

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[edit] PR of Edmund Herring

Hello, just to tell you that i moved your peer review onto the main peer review page instead of within the Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Review/Royal Navy page. If and when you add peer reviews in the future could you please add them below the main peer review page and not in the first peer review. Don't worry it was an easy mistake to make. It certainly looked correct but it was in the wrong place. Thanks Woodym555 12:22, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi, just read through your responses to my comments at peer review for this article and wanted to congratulate you on it, it was well-researched and written before, but now looks very nice indeed. Keep up the good work, if you need anything else reviewing in the future, drop me line.--Jackyd101 00:24, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Emergency room

Heya! First, let me congratulate you on your amazing contributions to Wikipedia! If you look on my user page, in emergency room, there is a link to an unwritten Admiralty Campaign article there that you would be far more qualified than me to write. I would be grateful if you could look at it. Cheers! aliasd·U·T 13:50, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Will do Hawkeye7 21:38, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
Your expertise is appreciated. aliasd·U·T 02:53, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Battle of Greece

Hi!

Thanks for your remarks concerning the article. I have tried to address your concerns; please, check my remarks in the peer-review page. I am open to further suggestions or remarks, in case you think my edits are still inadequate.

Since you are a historian, I would also like to ask you one thing. A previous editor of the article had written in "Homage to the Greek resistance" that "Joseph Stalin, in an open letter read over the air on Radio Moscow short wave on numerous occasions during the war, would say "the Russian people will always be grateful to the Greeks for delaying the German army long enough for winter to set in, thereby giving us the precious time we needed to prepare. We will never forget." Unfortunately, I haven't yet managed to ascertain the accuracy and even the existence of such a statement by Stalin by an objective and respectable source. Do you know anything about this issue? If I don't manage to find a credible source, I think about removing this edit.

Cheers!--Yannismarou 11:05, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Image:FleetAdmiral.gif

I left a note over on User_talk:Zscout370#Image:FleetAdmiral.gif for the image removal. It looks like we had each found a few and reverted them. Not sure what was wrong with that image, so I have asked for more information. — MrDolomite • Talk 11:33, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Kesselring article

You have truly done an outstanding job in re-inventing the Kesselring article. I just have not had any time to commit to it as I could not find the Memoirs for a reasonable price, and my History of Anatolia project is extensive. Once I complete the article, I'll have a lot more time to devote to other articles. One thing though-Wikipedia doesn't like Ibid, and they have a ref name tool to avoid having to quote the full source every time. Check it out in my article, and you'll see how it is used. I'll fix it if I can. Monsieurdl 15:08, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Still only half finished - I'm up to 1943. The rest will follow over the next few days. I'm afrad that Kesselring will not get a longer article than Rommel but at least his birth date is now correct.
The ref name I normally only use for web pages (I used it for the first reference) because it has a problem with books in that you cannot change the page number. You can, btw, omit the text of the subsequent ref tags, e.g. <ref name="yadda" /> Hawkeye7 20:35, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

If you take a look at [[1]], you'll see that you are listed as a Nazi field marshal. I doubt that's your intention, so you may want to remove your sandbox article! Asav 08:47, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Brigadier General

I see. Thanks. Pdfpdf (talk) 21:39, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Image source problem with Image:Liz Cosson (MAJGEN).jpg

The copyright information was trashed by a bot. I don't know how to stop them. Please help. Hawkeye7 (talk) 08:19, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
I have fixed things up. Let me know if anyone tries to delete this image or any others that you believe are reasonable under fair dealing. John Vandenberg (talk) 09:01, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
Thankyou! Much appreciated. Hawkeye7 (talk) 09:40, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Replaceable fair use Image:Liz_Cosson_(MAJGEN).jpg

And I have fixed it again. John Vandenberg (talk) 19:49, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
Thankyou! Much appreciated. Hawkeye7 (talk) 19:53, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
I have listed the image for deletion here. See also my answer on my talk page. Rettetast (talk) 21:50, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
FYI, the discussion at Image talk:Tobruk beaching ADF.jpg was enough to save that Defence image from deletion a few weeks ago. It seems unlikely that Maj. Gen. Cossen appears in full uniform in public and off defence land any more often than HMAS Tobruk beaches in front of spectators (eg, almost never). --Nick Dowling (talk) 09:54, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
DoD doesn't keep images available on its web sites forever and a lot of old images from the 1990s have now disappeared. It is hoped that the original photographs and negative will eventually make their way to the National Archives. But now that so many photographs are digital, I have a real fear that the digital image will be the only one. I'm hoping that steps will be taken to preserve them. Hawkeye7 (talk) 20:32, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Morshead & the proposed invasion of Japan

G'day Hawk. I just noticed that you included in Leslie Morshead the suggestion that the Australian govt wanted Morshead to lead the Commonwealth Corps in Operation Downfall. Someone has since added this to the Downfall article. I don't think I've seen this mentioned in any books or other webpages on the subject, so I was wondering if you could point me to a source? Cheers, Grant | Talk 04:58, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Horner, High Command, p. 418 Hawkeye7 (talk) 07:53, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, I thought you would have an answer. Grant | Talk 15:06, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Award

In recognition of your diligent contributions towards the various reviews of military history articles, I am delighted to award you the Content Review Medal. Kirill 16:55, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
In recognition of your diligent contributions towards the various reviews of military history articles, I am delighted to award you the Content Review Medal. Kirill 16:55, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Ernest King article

I noticed that you were a contributor to the Ernest King article and to discussions on the article's talk page. I just made some changes to the citation formatting and left a note with my reasoning on the talk page. I also note that there are some [#]-like notations scattered throughout the page. It is not clear what they are referencing. Would you mind taking a look? — ERcheck (talk) 15:58, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Thank you

Thanks for providing those citations at Thomas Blamey. I'm fairly new to the history of the war in that area and was somewhat surprised to see those comments, as most of what I have gathered from contemporary accounts (war correspondents and the unit history of the American 41st Division) is that Americans held the Australians in high regard. I don't know much about General Kenney or the circumstances in which those conversations with Blamey/MacArthur took place but from what I've read of the US air corps officers in general, is they were so combative and defensive within their own service that some of them had developed awfully thin skins by the time the war began.

Do you have any recommendations for a book on the general history of Australia and her armed forces of that time period? Awotter (talk) 22:18, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

The best account of Australia's war is Gavin Long's The Six Years War: A Concise History of Australia in the 1939-45 War (Canberra: Australian War Memorial and the Australian Government Publishing Service, 1973). Out of print, I'm afraid, but you can still pick up a second hand copy on Abebooks.
The first comment of MacArthur's came in the context of the defeats on Bataan and Singapore. Under the circumstances, he was skeptical of Blamey's claim that the Japanese advances in Papua would be held. The second was in the wake of the Australian retreat from Kokoda, which seemed to confirm his fears. MacArthur sent in American troops, the US 32nd Infantry Division, with disastrous consequences. He then proposed reinforcing the position at Buna with a regiment of the US 41st Infantry Division. Rather fortunately for them, Blamey talked him into sending more Australians instead.
The Americans came to hold the Australians in high regard over the course of time. Remember that while most Australian officers were familiar with the US Army from the Great War, the reverse was not true, so there was some unfamiliarity in 1942. Since then, the two armies have fought together in Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq, so familiarity is more common today.
Kenney was an avid campaigner for air power and a feisty guy, but he had a thick skin.
I should footnote the entire Blamey page.

Hawkeye7 (talk) 00:00, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm currently reading a very battered book from my local library published in 1943 by Pat Robinson The Fight for New Guinea, Robinson was the first US war correspondent in NG (or so the book jacket claims), it's kind of like finding a time capsule. If you need assistance footnoting let me know, I'm in the process of updating some articles that have multiple references and Bibliography sources that are quoted extensively by page. <ref> as I see you have noted is clumsy in that regard, but I have found a workaround that incorporates Harvard style references/notes/and bibliography information yet still allows the references to number automatically and link to the article. You can see an example here — my references sandbox. Appreciate the feedback, thanks for your time.Awotter (talk) 01:56, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
I must admit I was surprised by your footnote that the 32nd Division was not as well rated as the 41st. I mean, why send it then? But I double-checked and - you're completely right. Hawkeye7 (talk) 21:27, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
The 41st unit history (The Jungleers McCartney 1946) states the 32nd was sent first because they were closer to the transport areas at the time. The 41st went through extensive training with the Australians in jungle warfare and sent their NCO's through the Australian training schools, but many of them were transfered to other American divisions like the 1st Cavalry. From what I have read the 41st had more jungle training than the 7th which was sent back in to combat shortly after arriving from the Middle East. Blamey no doubt had well deserved confidence in them and MacArthur never seemed to grasp the conditions they faced.Awotter (talk) 01:13, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
"General Eichelberger had already decided that the 32nd Division would precede the 41st to New Guinea. He made this decision because the training camp of the 32nd Division at camp cable near Brisbane was inferior to that of the 41st Division at Rockhampton. The general believed that the 32nd should go first because it would in any event have to be moved to another camp." (Milner, Victory in Papua, pp. 91-92) But Eichelberger remembered: "I told Generals MacArthur and Sutherland that I thought the 32nd Division was not sufficiently trained to meet Japanese veterans on equal terms... I gave the 32nd Division a 'barely satisfactory' rating in combat efficiency." (Eichelberger, Our Jungle Road to Tokyo, pp. 11-12)
The 7th Division was the only division in the theatre with combat experience, and it had the highest efficiency rating; but it did not have much in the way of jungle warfare training. The Jungle Training Centre at Canungra did not open in November 1942. Thereafter though, the Australian Army had to fight only one enemy, in one theatre, and training, equipment and doctrine could all be adapted to that, and the Army became honed to a very fine edge. Hawkeye7 (talk) 08:44, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

So far I am enjoying collaborating with you: I would dare to say we are doing a great job together, and I would like to sincerely thank you also for helping with my English. It would be very nice of you if you could be so kind to take a look also at this section I wrote from scratch (which seems to need "copy-editing"), and to the brief text I added to the article summary to introduce it (yes, I believe it deserves to be there) in the article's incipit. Again my sincere thanks for your contribution and best of all, --Piero Montesacro (talk) 21:45, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Done. Your English remains much better than my Italian will ever be. I has been a pleasure to work on the article with you. Hawkeye7 (talk) 21:08, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Major General (Australia)

Could I impose upon you to explain why you reverted my edit? Thanks, Pdfpdf (talk) 21:55, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

"Pip" is colloquial. "Star" is more correct. As it says under Australian Army officer rank insignia: "The Star, commonly called a pip, is derived from that of the Order of the Bath".
Feel free to change the entry to this wording. Hawkeye7 (talk) 00:07, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
Oh dear. Once again my "common usage" or "current usage" is at odds with Historical Fact. (How inconvenient.)
Yes thank you, I will accept your offer to Feel free to change the entry to this wording.
Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 12:03, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Time machine

Received a book purchase from eBay today, the 1944 AIF army series book with all the wonderful military submitted material. Absolutely amazing, I wish the US Army had had the foresight to do that. I thought I'd come here and beg some of your expertise, in the book all the credits are given by Army number rather than name, is that information readily available online by any chance?Awotter (talk) 02:23, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes, at the Department of Veteran's affairs website World War Two Nominal Roll. Select service number and enter the service number. VX3 should given you Sid Rowell. Hawkeye7 (talk) 02:49, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
That is fantastic! Very much appreciated.Awotter (talk) 07:28, 5 February 2008 (UTC)


[edit] China War Medal (1900)

The difference between the China War Medal (1900) and the Queen's South Africa Medal is that the qualifying period for the China War Medal was for service during the period 10 June 1900 to 31 December 1900 (ie, prior to Federation). As a result, the China War Medal is not listed on the Australian Order of Wear found here. The Queen's South Africa medal has a qualification period that goes from 11 October 1899 to 31 May 1902 (post federation). As a result, the China War Medal should not appear in the list of Australian Campaign medals, in the same way that the 19th century Maori Wars or Sudan medals do not appear. PalawanOz (talk) 05:08, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

That seems a bit rough, given that the medal was instituted after Federation and awarded by the Australian government. Also, could you re-check the arithmetic for me? My source lists 256 men with the New South Wales Contingent, 197 with the Victorian, and 102 on the South Australian gunboat Protector - a total of 555 medals. (The text now excludes the South Australians.) Hawkeye7 (talk) 07:00, 10 February 2008 (UTC)


[edit] An article which you started, or significantly expanded, Battle of Kaiapit, was selected for DYK!

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[edit] Order of St John

As I understand it only State Orders confer post-noms, Order of Saint John is a Royal Order, but not a State Order - appointments are never included in the New Year or Birthday Honours, but are gazetted separately. It's a common error to include post-noms for it, and in certain circumstances, things directly related to the order, they are used, so if monuments were donated by the order, it might actually be correct. It's not impossible I'm wrong, User:Necrothesp may be able to shed more light. David Underdown (talk) 18:37, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

The article on post-nominal letters says: "When listing the honours and awards enjoyed by any person it is customary to include the Order of St John, but this is a Royal Order and not a State Order, and so confers no precedence. The statutes of the order state (statute 32(2)) The letters specified … may be used … but admission or promotion to any Grade of the Order … shall not confer any rank, style, title, dignity, appellation or social precedence whatsoever."

So it appears that KStJ should be included. Hawkeye7 (talk) 23:40, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

From the Governor General's website: "Post-nominals within the Order of St John are not recognised as notified in the Governor-General's media release of 14 August 1982." The Order of Wearing Australian Honours and Awards

So it appears that post-nominals were once used (as per the inscriptions), but are now no longer used. Hawkeye7 (talk) 00:32, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] dyk nom

  • ...that Jessie Vasey's helped soldiers' wives and knew that war widows faced "uncaring government bureaucracy" before her husband died in an air crash? by Hawkeye7 OK? I tried to pick a hook that had online cites to assist in getting it on DYK. Pity, as the "ten men a night" quote would have made a good hook! Victuallers (talk) 20:27, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
Sounds fine to me. Hawkeye7 (talk) 20:40, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
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[edit] Chief of Army (Australia)

(remove invalid link) x 2
Now come on. That's just being lazy. They're not "invalid" links. They're just links to the wrong person, and need disambiguation.
It wouldn't have been any more difficult to change them to useful & definitive redlinks. But then, I guess it depends on your attitude to redlinks. What is your attitude to redlinks? Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 13:02, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

My only problem with redlinks is that there are too many of them! I didn't create redlinks as I was uncertain as to what the standard was and how to create a disambiguation. However, Henry Wells already has a disambiguation page. So all I need to do now is create the article. Hawkeye7 (talk) 20:50, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I agree, there are too many of them.
So all I need to do now is create the article. - Indeed! (And that's why there are too many redlinks - because "all I need to do" is not an insignificant task!!)
Best wishes, Pdfpdf (talk) 10:33, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] dyk

Neil Hamilton Fairley
The citation was correct, but it pointed to Manchester (p. 65). So I've inserted a citation to James (p. 90), who is the authoritative MacArthur biographer. Thanks for your help! Hawkeye7 (talk) 11:24, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Neil Hamilton Fairley

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