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[edit] Solo Avengers/Armor

Perhaps someone should add some details about what happened to the character in Solo Avengers, and also mention the Iron Man-ish armor he wore briefly in that series. I mean, if the Goliath stuff is worth a mention, surely this is as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.75.31.10 (talk • contribs) 04:11, 26 February 2006

Reply: Well, I've been considering writing up some of the more "significant" stories - such as the Collector arc and a few others - and I was thumbing through Solo Avengers to try and find something "significant" and I'm not sure much in there applies. The armored costume lasted about an issue and a half, whereas the Goliath ID and costume stretched through a couple years' worth of Avengers V1.

So what's the view on what needs to be covered?

-- We've got how he came to "superheroing" and the Avengers in the first place.
-- The Collector arc (aka "Hawkeye cheats")
-- Brother Barney and the killing of Egghead?
-- His stint with the Defenders
-- The Gruenwald miniseries where he meets Mockingbird (this is already covered in the article).
-- The miniseries with Trickshot, "Rover" and War Machine
-- The Nicieza miniseries.

Not trying to make the article 500 pages, but what highlights should we hit here?

--MoS 01:03, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

About the only really suignificant thing from Solo Avengers is the revised origin with Trickshot. Lokicarbis 11:44, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Comparison to DC Comics' Green Arrow

Several of the Wikipedia comics-related articles include some sort of analysis of how a character is similar to (or perceived to be similar to) another character, especially when the two characters are seen as comptetitors. E.g.: Superman vs. Captain Marvel, Moon Knight vs. Batman, etc. I know there is a similar contention about Hawkeye and DC Comics' Green Arrow (both are acrobatic unerring archers with outlaw tendencies, both are/were romantically linked with black-clad blonde martial artists with avian themed identities, etc.), but I have no reliable sources ("blogs" and message boards don't count). Shouldn't this be mentioned here? Canonblack 15:44, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Might be worth mentioning a bit - I don't think anybody would be shocked to hear that Hawkeye was inspired in large part by GA. While their MO's are awfully similar, they are very (IMO, anyway) distinct characters - at least much more so than Captain Marvel and portrayal of Superman at the time.

Don't know of any reliable sources off-hand.

[edit] She-Hulk

I read an online issue of She-Hulk where he is brought to the present from the (near) past and She-Hulk starts to plot keeping him this era. I guess this would only work if it was an alternate reality's past as if he disappears then the whole Hawkeye's death would never be able to happen in the first place! whew! All this time travelling stuff is tiresome. Anyway maybe a She-Hulk reader could help out? He status may not be so "unknown" and if this never came through then surely it should be "deceased". Thanks— ChocolateRoses talk

Reply: Hawkeye's appearance in the latest volume (issues 3 and 4, I think) of She-Hulk was as a juror in a time-travel case, and he was drawn out of the past at some point prior to his "death" in Disassembled. Although She-Hulk intended to warn him (and, in a later scene, earlier versions of the Wasp and the Scarlet Witch) of upcoming events, she wasn't succesful. The story line doesn't seem to have affected his past, present or future. MoS 21:03, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

And it shouldn't, either, as I'm sure Dan Slott well knows - per the Marvel Universe's laws of time travel, you can't alter the history of the main timeline, only create a branching point where another timeline begins. So even is Shulkie was successful, it would just had led to the creation of a parallel timeline in which Hawkeye lived. Chris McFeely 01:11, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
Yes, i understand that but my original point was that a HAwkeye would still possily be arounf in the 616 mainstream universe if she kept him after jury duty. Also these rules seem to be ignored with the first volume of Young Avengers. hmmm...— ChocolateRoses talk

[edit] Meta-human

the meta-human article refers to this as a DC term. should it show up in an (ultimate) hawkeye article? i thnk not, but is thee a better word? does it matter? was just wondering...— ChocolateRoses talk

--metahuman marvel-wise just means invulnerable, i have discovered. click here for more details. meta-human— ChocolateRoses talk

I seem to remember "Post-Human" being used to describe non-mutant superhumans (-sigh-) in the Ultimates...Can anybody back me up?

More to the point, the descrip for Ultimate Hawkeye says that he is meta/superhuman, in terms of aim ability- and the 'abilities' sidebar says he isn't. Which is it? -Toptomcat 23:15, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Status?!?

WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO THE STATUS BOXES ON SUPERHERO BOXES?? IS THIS A CHANGE IN WIKIPEDIA POLICY??? IT USED TO SAY "STATUS: DECEASED? ACTIVE..."ETC ETC — ChocolateRoses talk

See discussion here. --Newt ΨΦ 03:21, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ultimate Hawkeye- metahuman or not?

The descrip for Ultimate Hawkeye says that he is meta/superhuman, in terms of aim ability- and the 'abilities' sidebar says he is 'merely' Olympic-level. Which is it? Is it ever difinitively stated? -Toptomcat 23:15, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

REPLY: back in V1, in the issue in which he and the Black Widow were introduced, the two of them are talking on a comm network as they run around, creating havoc. Finally he breaks off talking, telling her that he doesn't have any of her "million-dollar" enhancements and can't fight and talk at the same time. So he's not physically enhanced and he's not a mutant. That's about all you know from reading the comics. Millar has stated in interviews that Hawkeye's just human. MoS 18:23, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hawkeye (Clint Barton)

Since we now have another Hawkeye in the person of Kate Bishop, shouldn't this get renamed? CovenantD 18:53, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Then again, with Bishop's comment in the Fallen Son series that "if Hawkeye were alive, I'd call myself something else", it might be better to wait and see, since Hawkeye is indeed alive. -- Pennyforth 12:13, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 17:31, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hawkeye naming convention

It occured to me that Hawkeye has been published for about a year, under the name of Ronin; in addition, Clint has gone by Goliath in the past. Finally, with the YA Hawkeye, it might be time for the page to be named Clint Barton versus Hawkeye (comics), with this page becoming a disambiguation. -66.109.248.114 (talk) 21:32, 12 January 2008 (UTC).

I'd be shocked if Clint did not reclaim the name at some point. Also, the Young Avengers version hasn't been seen regularly in how long? Seems odd to make this change based on one storyline in New Avengers Dstumme (talk) 21:59, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
Regardless of current or future publication plans (which is all speculation anyway), the article should be moved to Clint Barton by Comics Project naming conventions. Because that already exists as a redirect, this will require admin assistance. Pairadox (talk) 22:21, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
NB - the broader issue of comic entry naming is currently being discussed here so if you have any thoughts on the wider issue then feel free to add it there. (Emperor (talk) 12:23, 3 April 2008 (UTC))
This seems to be pretty much a no consensus discussion, maybe it can be revisited down the line, but lets close it for right now. -66.109.248.114 (talk) 22:17, 1 May 2008 (UTC).

[edit] Support

[edit] Oppose

  • Oppose - This character is Hawkeye. That would be like moving Captain America to Steve Rogers just because he has ocassionally been known by different names. -- 69.182.199.231 (talk) 07:26, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
I'd actually wait. It is even money he'll be Hawkeye again.

Asgardian (talk) 06:10, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

How long of a time period did you have in mind to wait? The next bench mark would be likely after Secret Invasion, and while there is no deadline, the character has been operating for over a year not as Hawkeye (and reliquished the title to a teenaged girl). 66.109.248.114 (talk) 21:02, 5 March 2008 (UTC).
  • Oppose - Looking at WP:COMMONNAMES, there is a very strong, valid point for keeping this article title as is. Searches for this article are much more likely to be done with "Hawkeye (comics)" by the general user. That's how the character has been used in licensed products and "re-boot" series. - J Greb (talk) 15:21, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
    • Please note my following response is based strictly in opinion, base on content quality: I just don't see the real world context and supporting media that features Clint as Hawkeye as carrying nearly the same weight as the likes of Cap or Superman. I see the gen user seeking the comics version, the 616 version that shares multiple identities and currently reliqueshed the role to a teenage girl. -66.109.248.114 (talk) 22:08, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Oppose - Reasons above. Rau's Speak Page 18:46, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 19:09, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Improper Link

The internal link to the article on the Civil War arc was incorrectly entered and led to the page defining what a civil war is. I've fixed it. 71.87.186.236 (talk) 16:28, 11 May 2008 (UTC)