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I agree with P Ingerson in the VfD discussion below—it smacks very much of POV pushing that the article immediately jumps into singling out one story (Bainum) among hundreds the site has published. Also agree that the dot-com title is cheesy. However, an article on Hawaii Reporter in some form needs to be kept and improved, because in the Hawaiian sovereignty movement and the Akaka Bill controversies it turns out that the interlocking relationships between Malia Zimmerman, the Grassroot Institute, Thurston Twigg-Smith, H. William Burgess, Kenneth R. Conklin, and "Aloha for All" give them political clout far beyond their actual numbers of supporters and readers. At the moment I am trying to document some of these links, however incompletely and clumsily. --IslandGyrl 10:11, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
[edit] moved from VfD:
Keep. I'm the one who created the HawaiiReporter.com article. It's not only an online magazine but an example of conservative-libertarian media in Hawaii. Its apparent obscurity outside Hawaii has led many of you to vote for deletion. If the article is deleted, I hope I--or someone else--can resubmit it, especially if the site becomes more known. I'm also willing to have it merged with another article (e.g., Hawaii) in the meantime. 66.8.251.70 18:33, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Nonnotable website. Alexa rank circa 350,000. Wile E. Heresiarch 18:44, 26 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- I expect this is quite notable in Hawaii. Alexa rankings aren't everything. Keep and send to clean up [[User:MacGyverMagic|Mgm|(talk)]] 19:45, Nov 26, 2004 (UTC)
- Delete. Not notable. Only 2-3 years old, and online-only. Gets about 5k hits--"maui news" gets 36k, even tho' it has a much narrower geographic primary focus. Niteowlneils 21:16, 26 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- Delete: Not notable, seems to be a bit shady, from the article's own content, which would explain its lack of popularity. Geogre 03:33, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- Delete, and should it somehow get kept it should be moved to The Hawaii Reporter or something. A domainname is not a name. Well it is, but you get what I mean. --fvw* 11:47, 2004 Nov 27 (UTC)
- Keep 119 07:28, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- Keep. Cleanup does not appear necessary in my eyes. [[User:GRider|GRider\talk]] 18:28, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- Delete. The most notable thing the article can find to say about the site is that it once printed some obscure allegations that almost no-one took any serious notice of! P Ingerson 00:44, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)
end moved discussion
[edit] POV tilt dating from 26 June 2006
Hawaii Reporter is a conservative voice (but hardly neocon, as in war in Iraq), but it is open to anyone sending anything to them as long as it is not illiterate or libelous. It may be offensive if you have thin skin in the islands although a New Yorker or SFite would find it fluff. Hawaii has few alternative points of view and this is one of them, although it is a passive receptical, not an active one. Deleting this site would be a criminal act against free speech. even though I disagree with maybe 50% of the contents. Because Native Hawaiians represent 20% of the voters and the politicians think Hawaiians think like a block (HA!) and vote accordingly, there are few voices in opposition to the state sponsored Office for Hawaiian Affairs. This is one. It may be right or it may be wrong but Hawaii is closer to Paraguay than to the USA. Watch this page. But DO NOT EVER DELETE IT UNLESS YOU ARE IN FAVOR OF STATE CENSORSHIP.
JoBurke's edits of 26 June 2006 have IMO tilted this formerly fairly neutral article in the direction of an ideologically tinged puff piece. It is not clear, for example, why the neutral characterization "libertarian and conservative" should have been replaced with the term "free-market". The rest of the edits also seem to have a "promotional" character so that the article now reads like an advertisement.
This "capture" by sources friendly to the subject seems similar to what happened to the article on Hawaii politician Mike Gabbard, as criticized on that article's talk page (see heading "Politician vanity article" at bottom) by Zora.
Opinions by other WP editors would be welcome. --IslandGyrl 07:20, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Cleanup as of February 2008
Text removed below to fix POV issues. It's either tangential, ancillary, or unsourced. —Viriditas | Talk 11:43, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
Cofounder Malia Zimmerman was fired from Pacific Business News for unspecified reasons and then founded Hawaii Reporter. [1]
A co-founder of the Grassroot Institute of Hawaii, a neo-con think tank, Zimmerman has hosted an ongoing debate in HawaiiReporter.com on the Hawaiian sovereignty movement publishing opinion pieces both critical and favorable to the Akaka Bill. The bill ultimately failed to pass the U.S. Senate in June 2006 when proponents could not gather enough votes to force a cloture vote - in part because the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights and the U.S. Justice Department said the bill was unconstitutional and racially divisive and therefore should not be passed.
Its viewpoint is conservative (neo-con), although HawaiiReporter.com prints all editorials submitted so long as they are clear. In 2004, during a contentious race between Mufi Hannemann and Duke Bainum for Honolulu mayor, HawaiiReporter.com was the only media to report on a court case in which Bainum's wife, Jennifer Alonso Toma, was accused of financially taking advantage of an elderly client named Masumi Murasaki when she was his caregiver. Bainum ultimately lost the race to Hannemann. [2].
It is known for publishing articles directly from the discredited Talon News.
