Talk:Have a Cigar

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Contents 1 Vocalist is whom? 2 Mini Moog or VCS 3? 3 Personnel 4 The Final Sound Effect 5 Live Version 6 cover versions - trivia 7 Rumor/rumour

[edit] Vocalist is whom?

Is it true that Roger Waters couldn't sing this song due to an illness and that Gilmour didn't want to fill in? Who did sing it? I read this somewhere: "I've heard two reasons why Roy Harper sang it rather than Roger Waters or David Gilmour. A website said both were having trouble with the vocals and, since Harper was in the same studio doing his own stuff, they asked him. Another version (I think this came from a Gilmour interview) said neither of them felt like doing it so they asked Roy. The deal was Harper would do the vocals for season tickets for cricket from Roger, which he never received." 05:22, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Yes, that's correct, it is Roy Harper as mentioned in the article. Doc Strange 19:10, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mini Moog or VCS 3?

I'm not sure whether it's a moog or a VCS 3 which did the lead lines in "Have A Cigar". The piercing sound is similar to a VCS 3. Although Richard Clews credited a VCS 3 in his article "Rick Wright - The Third Man". It was in a BRAIN DAMAGE redaction but I don' know which redaction it was - sadly...HEINZ

[edit] Personnel

Okay, I know that the "who played bass on what" issue is contentious. But is there "Additional bass guitar" by Gilmour or isn't there? It's likely that he did play at least part of it on this song — his playing is more fluid and melodic than Roger's more rhythmic, harmonically-simple playing. Still, it's obvious that there are at least two basslines here (one of which is a clavinet), hence "additional", but then perhaps Roger didn't play anything at all on this track. Any suggestions on how this might be clarified? BotleySmith 19:13, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Whoops, I didn't realize Gilmour played bass on "Shine On" part 8. The article is fine now... BotleySmith 17:45, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Final Sound Effect

I had always intepreted the final AM-radio sound filter to represent Syd being forced to listen to the band on a radio at home instead of being in his rightful place, making music with the band he had originally founded. Is there any validity to this theory? -Eugene Huang 08:17, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Validity? No, not at all. It's something you made up with your imagination. If it works for you, so be it. If it adds depth and resonance to the song, for you, then that's a beautiful thing. But that's as far as it goes.

Personally, I think it's a slightly bizarre theory. But then, I would argue with the presumption that stardom with Pink Floyd was Syd's "rightful place". If we are to believe sister Rosemary Barrett, Roger "Syd" Barrett did not actually have an ongoing mental illness, but was simply resolute in his rejection of the pop music industry and the trappings of fame. --63.25.0.178 (talk) 07:57, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Live Version

Have Floyd ever performed Have a Cigar live with Roger on vocals? I just wonder what the song would sound like with the originally intended man singing it. -Robski 11:30, 16th August 2006 (GMT)

Yes, there are many bootleg recordings of Roger performing the vocals (with David providing harmonies) from the 1975-1977 tours. BotleySmith 22:03, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] cover versions - trivia

Am moving the reference to other people's cover versions to a new trivia sub-section. 83.180.184.252 01:09, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rumor/rumour

In the third paragraph of 'composition' the word 'rumour' is used twice. The first time it is spelt the American way and the second time, the English Way ("hanging on in quiet desperation is the English way" - name that lyric). Which spelling do we go for? The double use sounds clumsy anyway, that should be tidied up. Milstrom 22:23, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

British English should always per used for articles with a British focus/ As such, the spelling has been changed to rumour. hedpeguyuk 20:27, 15 July 2007 (UTC)