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this article does not adress who the origional owners of the brand are, and does not discuss it's illegal seisure by the castro regime.

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[edit] bacardi

hasn't bacardi re-acquired the name? also, isn't it true that bacardi does not have the original mothers that havana club does?

[edit] Citations

Its starting to seem as though people affiliated with the new U.S. based division of Havana Club are making edits to the article. The references given for the critical reception of the new rum are a bit overpraising, one is from the actual company's site, but the other is just a press release from an automatic news feed issued by the company itself (with duplicate info from the site, its not really a separate citeable source as sites using feeds simply run what's submitted to PRnewswire). Are there any other sources which indicate that the Cuban version isn't the "original" recipe other than what the new company says? Trying to be impartial, its just curious that someone who had a company appropriated says that the rum isn't the same. What makes it more curious is that they also literally refer to the Cuban version as "undrinkable" when Cuba-produced Havana club is famous throughout the world. It just seems odd that the factory with all the supplies and many of the same workers continued to be used yet the recipe was not retained (but apparently not the quality if Havana Club stays in high demand). I'm leaving Archebala's comments, but it would be nice to see additional citations other than those from someone who is now promoting the same line of rum produced in Puerto Rico. Obviously Archebala is using his original recipe, but how exactly do we know that the Cuban government isn't using the same one (especially if Archebala can't visit the plant in Cuba?) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.0.104.154 (talk) 14:02, 2 January 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Proposal to Disambig

Given Bacardi's version of Havana Club has been out to the market, I foresee the risk of running into edit warfare about which of the two is authetic, given this article in fact gives preference to the Cuban brand (because it is sold to all but one country in the world). For this reason, I propose this article to be split.

However, there are two ways to do it and I list out the three options. When a "Support" is given for a vote, also indicate which of the following options would you choose.

  1. This page for the Cuban version, split Bacardi version to Havana Club (Puerto Rico). Add toplinks as appropriate.
  2. This page for pre-1959 history only, as for post-1959 developments, it is split to Havana Club (Cuba) and Havana Club (Puerto Rico).
  3. This page is changed into a pure disambig page, and its contents entirely split to Havana Club (Cuba) and Havana Club (Puerto Rico).

--Samuel CurtisShinichian-Hirokian-- TALK·CONTRIBS 12:54, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

  • Comment - how about just moving the bacardi product to Bacardi Havana Club? --Qyd 20:05, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Other Bacardi products use this name algorihm, see Bacardi#Products. --Qyd 20:40, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
  • It is not because it's a special naming convention on the article, but just the products listed all bears the Bacardi brand. Bacardi-owned Havana Club, however, does not bear the marque of Bacardi. Check the websites for details. --Samuel CurtisShinichian-Hirokian-- TALK·CONTRIBS 05:58, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
Oh, OK, I get it now, we are charged with the difficul task of disambiguating something Bacardi actually wants to be confusing....--Qyd 11:21, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Support Votes

[edit] Oppose Votes

[edit] Discussions

Typo Bacardi is spelt with the "r" before the d. One has to be especially careful since there is a danger of supporting the financial interests of either the Castro government or the Bacardi company. Of course I take the view that since Castro stole both companies property in Cuba, he, Raul or the Cuban government have no rights in the matter. El Jigue 1-13-07

Except as the previous owners allowed their rights to lapse, and the Castro government / Pernod Ricard have registered the name properly under international law, who else should have the rights ? -- Beardo 17:22, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
As above, and I'm talking about a product that physically exist in this world. (You don't oppose there is Havana Club rum made in Cuba and sold outside the US.) I personally can care less about Cuban politics, and I am puzzled as on Cuban politics would affect this article in any way.--Samuel CurtisShinichian-Hirokian-- TALK·CONTRIBS 17:29, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The EU-US DIspute on the Havana Club Mark

Although the Pernod/Bacardi Dispute of the Havana Club trademark has not been well-discussed, one can easily make a good article on this by using this WTO document. I just wonder if this should be on this article or another article. --Samuel CurtisShinichian-Hirokian-- TALK·CONTRIBS 10:37, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Split of Bacardi version finished

I have, in accordance of the discussion above, split the Bacardi version to Havana Club (Bacardi). From now I would keep out of these two articles, except day-to-day pure vandalism patrolling and materials on of the lawsuit between Bacardi and Pernod Ricard about the ownership about the trademark in the US-- in which, I think, for neutrality issues, should be introduced in another article. --Samuel CurtisShinichian-Hirokian-- TALK·CONTRIBS 12:48, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Havanaclublogo.png

Image:Havanaclublogo.png is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

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BetacommandBot (talk) 23:45, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Develop Havana-Club page

Hi, I am working for Havana-Club and I would like to know if it is possible to develop this section. Havana has built a website www.havana-club.com discussing on cocktails, rum making process... Is that possible to create some article in this page telling for exemple that Havana recommand / suggest to make Mojito or Daiquiri cocktail in a special way (explain what ingredients to use...), that havana make its rum with in particulalry way...?

Thank you for your answer. - Amagon Rosh14:27 27 February 2008

What you said is not recommended:
  1. Wikipedia is not a instruction book.
  2. Wikipedia has a conflict of interest policy, and clearly, it is not in the interest of Wikipedia for a person who works for Havana Club to edit Havana Club.
However, you are welcome to edit other pages.

--Samuel di Curtisi di Salvadori 01:26, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

The Daiquiri and Mojito articles could both use a little help from someone who knows rum, and I don't think that would be a conflict. Someone has been adding external links to irrelevant, commercial sites on the Mojito article, one of which suggests a mojito doesn't need rum! Rees11 (talk) 11:48, 17 April 2008 (UTC)