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The total number of Hausa speaking people is far larger than 20 million. Remember that in Nigeria only, abb. 27 million people are Hausa (22%) and in Niger the proportion is much larger. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Transylvanian (talk • contribs)

Indeed. I've adjusted the number, citing two recent sources. If anyone has better sources, feel free to correct. — mark ✎ 08:48, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Contents 1 Religion 2 Why Oduduwa in Hausa 3 Contradictions, Absurdities, and Propoganda 4 Rewrite needed 5 Africa project importance rating

[edit] Religion

Hi! I disagree with the information posted under the "Religion" section of the Hausa people. Muslims believe in the "jinn" and the Quran/Koran has even a chapter on the "Jinn". Also, the miracles of the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and the saints ("awliya") are also accepted by all Muslims. These are accepted beliefs in Islam. The "Kadiriya" (or Qadiriya) are those Muslims who are spiritually connected to Shaykh Abdul Qadir Gilani (RA) of Baghdad, Iraq. Unfortunately, who ever has written this section does not know much about the Islamic beliefs and traditions of the Hausa Muslims. I would recommend a complete revamping of this section. Thanks, Syed (Oct 7th,2006 5:47 PM US Eastern Time)

I think you are largely right. The section should be rewritten based on reliable sources; right now, it doesn't seem to conform to WP:NPOV and it even looks like parts of it may be original research. Do you have good sources yourself to base a rewrite on? — mark ✎ 09:13, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Why Oduduwa in Hausa

What is the meaning of Oduduwa in the Section of Hausa? Oduduwa is the Leader Yoruba tribe, and Hausa people are estimated to be 15 Million not 40 Million as stated in the article...

Fixed by providing a properly sourced population estimate. — mark ✎ 12:36, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Contradictions, Absurdities, and Propoganda

There were two outlandishly non-neutral POV sections. I deleted both.

The first was on religious violence in Nigeria. First, the section was couched in terms of one religion versus another, when the article is about an ethnic group. Further, there was not a single NPOV sentence which could be saved as an (unverified) factual claim. And, there were no citations. It was made up of subjective and unverifiable claims, interspersed with unreferenced statistics. This may be a valid subtopic for this article, and certainly merits a full article, but there was nothing usable in this section.

The second was the second half of the Religion section. As pointed out above, belief in jinn, the effectiveness of magic, miracles, saints, and the like are all part of orthodox Sunni Islamic belief. (They are, in fact, articles of faith, attested to in the major credal texts.) The section even referred to as specifically un-Qur'anic the "attribution of miracles to Muhammad, and belief in saints," where as the Qur'an quite explicitly attributes miracles to the Prophet and identifies individuals and groups as possessing the qualities of "saints." The section mentioned a procedure of community approval of beliefs which used the term '`ijma' from canonical Islamic law. The author was either: imprecisely describing a real process which should be redescribed and given a citation, creating or repeating a libelous accusation against the people described, or trying to paint the actual orthodox concept of `ijma - one of the foundations of Islamic Law - as anti-Qur'anic. Given the bias exhibited in the rest of the section I assumed it was one of the latter two, and deleted it with the rest.

The article remains a mess. Notably it cites two different centuries for the introduction of Islam to the Hausa, there are no citations, and the writing is generally sloppy and imprecise, with hints of either bias or 'original research' (i.e. unverifiable opinion) scattered throughout.

IQAG1060 04:20, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rewrite needed

I think this article needs a rewrite, since their isn't really much encyclopedic information once you have cut away the biased and/or unverifiable content. http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0001-9720%28196807%2938%3A3%3C253%3ATOOTN%27%3E2.0.CO%3B2-5&size=LARGE&origin=JSTOR-enlargePage is one link which may be of use. I'll start working on this eventually. Picaroon (t) 04:14, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

I've started a draft at User:Picaroon/Hausa people. If anyone else wants to work on it with me, we can move it to Talk:Hausa people/Rewrite. Picaroon (t) 21:30, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

I'd like to work a bit on the history section, but I'd prefer not to do so in off-mainspace seclusion. I believ the improvements and discussion, unless it gets outright hostile, should be kept here as much as possible.

Peter ^Isotalo 12:59, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Africa project importance rating

I added a "High" importance to this for the Africa project (perhaps colored by it being VERY high importance to Niger). I've got my hands full at the moment, but I'd like to nudge some other folks in the direction of working here. T L Miles (talk) 15:42, 1 February 2008 (UTC)