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[edit] Population numbers and percentages

The article said "Hatay was mostly Turkish" but the link pointed to some text saying "Arabs then constituted about two-thirds of the population of Hatay (known to the Arabs as Alexandretta), and the province has remained predominantly Arab".

We need to develop a "Population numbers and percentages" section at various stages of Hatay history. For example,

2. After the rioting started between the Turks and Arabs
3. After the Turks took over and the Armenians fled
4. Before and after the alleged Turkish electoral fraud

LookTwice 06:00, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

As for electoral fraud, this from a translated French wiki page,
"Since 1936, Turkey had let know that it would not accept only this territory where an important Turkish minority saw passes under the control of an independent Syrian State. The confrontations multiply between the two parties, and Turkey encourages the installation of Turks in the area. The elections of May 20 1937 show with the SDN that 47 percent of the population are Turkish. Consequently, by various Ankara stratagems gets busy to make assemble this percentage to 55 percent, in particular by the violence or of the transfers of population."

And for the Armenians,
"Following that more than 5.000 Armenians (remain only the Armenians of the village of Vaklifi) as well as many other Christians, as well Arab as Assyrian, take the way of the exile, leaving behind them all that they had."

LookTwice 06:42, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

By the way, Ottoman Empire lost many territories due to this "fraud" chain (minority rights-autonomy-independence). For example, Serbia (First Serbian Uprising, Second Serbian Uprising, Treaty of Berlin) is a good example. Hatay was the last project of Mustafa Kemal, after it became clear that Turkey lost Western Thrace, Batum and Mosul. It would be harsh to call the "Hatay Problem" a carbon copy of Hitler's style. Deliogul 11:49, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] to colony or not to colony

1 - "Syria became a French colony". In fact, it was the French Mandate of Syria and was named as "Syria" after the League of Nations mandate was established.. 2 - "Hatay was mostly Turkish populated". The name "Hatay" appeared with the proclamation of Hatay Republic. The name of the territory was Sanjak of Alexandretta. Turks were the most populous community according to 1938 census but they were not the majority. 3 - "referendum was held in Hatay about joining to Turkey, and the majority of Hatay people voted for joining". There was no referendum held. The decision of joining Turkey was taken by the Turkish members of Hatay Assembly. 4 - Furthermore, "it was given to Turkey". How can it be "given to Turkey" if a referendum is held and the people vote in favour of joining Turkey?

[edit] Foyer Arménien National: Hatay - a Turkish province?

Hatay was made Turkish! It is not Turkish land from times inmemorable... since the 4 century AD there was an Armenian population! There is nothing in the article about important facts! There is nothing mentioned about the Armenians and Arabs of Hatay (formerly Alexandrette). Nothing is written about the French plans to create an Armenian district within the French Mandate of Syria . And the changes to this plan from 1922 - 1938 due to the pressure of an Turkish Republic becoming more powerful in the 30-s. There is nothing mentioned about the manipulated vote with an artificial Anatolian population majority (with French consent). Nothing about the forced exodus of the Armenians in 1938/39. One wonders why Hatay wasn't annexed to Turkey earlier reading this Article! There is a reason Alexandrette wasn't given to Turkey in 1923. All the Cilician-Armenian refugees surviving the genocide were supposed to live on peacefully in Alexandrette instead of being driven out of 'Hatay' in 1938/39. --Apocolocynthosis 09:40, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] This article is a mess!

It starts with a wrong naming of the Turkish name: Turkish for "Republic of Hatay" is not "Hatay Devleti" but "Hatay Cumhuriyeti". It deems it as a "Turkish" state, but I thought it (in fact) kept a multi-ethnic structure. The better (!), "Turkish" refers to the article Turkey. Furthermore, it names the province of Hatay as a district. This is only the first paragraph and the remainder is no better. Behemoth 01:06, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

I added Sanjak of Alexandretta to intro section and also changed Hatay State and Hatay Devleti to its original form, which is Republic of Hatay. So i think, main objections can be winthdrawn? Can I now take factual accuracy tag away? Ateshi - Baghavan 20:58, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
By the way, I added, new section called background, so i think factual accuracy tag now can be removed. Ateshi - Baghavan 21:52, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] French Flag!

I think Syria was a League of Nations mandate-State (Class A) has a flag, police, national assembly, president and some other degree of sovereignty (although under mandate) according to Treaty of Versailles, Conference of Sanremo and the Franco-Syrian Treaty of Independence (1936) by that time Hatay get in the process of being a state then ceded to Turkey. Should someone replace the French flag with the National Syrian flag used from 1925 to 1938? Ralhazzaa 15:00, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

As Syria had several flags prior to hatay's incorporation to Turkey, and one of them, the flag of 1936 [1] must be used in this particular case, but it is different from Syria's flag today, and I don't know wheter there is an icon for that flag in wikipedia, so if someone could create that icon, then OK. Ateshi-Baghavan 20:19, 25 June 2007 (UTC)