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The links at the bottom are broken. Hats UK seems to have disappeared.

The other link has moved: this is probably the correct one now: http://www.costumes.org/HISTORY/100pages/HATS.HTM

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[edit] Trucker Hat

Shouldn't the Trucker hat/feed hat be included? it even has a wiki entry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.65.230.113 (talk) 21:13, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Poodle Hat

Someone wrote poodle hat in the list of popular hats. It liks to the weirdal album. Take that crap off the article.

It's called "vandalism", and if we reported every instance of it, wikipedia would take up 10TB on the servers.
-70.164.246.211 (talk) 20:02, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Berets?

Do berets have a place in this article? Notthe9 04:05, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Oliver Sacks reference is stretching things

The book by Sacks contains nothing relevant to a discussion of hats, so I removed it. Yes, it's about (among other things) a man who would mistake his wife for all manner of objects, one of which was hats—but this isn't Wiki-Google we're working on, people. If people want to know about Oliver Sacks' work, or about the stage play based on that work, I seriously doubt that they're going to start with the article on hats. Buck 20:56, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Why was the shoe joke deleted?

Why was the shoe joke deleted, it should have been kept as a disambiguation.

[edit] Reference

This article has been referenced in an animation on Something Awful. Here be the URL:http://www.somethingawful.com/articles.php?a=3633--NorphTehDwarf 00:42, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Shouldn't there be....

An article on doffing hats? I looked about for such and was at a loss when it wasn't to be found. DrWho42 04:08, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Graduate hat or "grad hat" ?

A widespread opinion says that it is possible to find anything on internet. Perhaps ! But I disperately search an historical explanation about the origins and the "why" of this strange (and ridiculous) square hat used to put on the head of the graduated students of universities.

Who invented it ? When ? Why ? Symbolism ?

Thanks --Sonusfaber 07:15, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hatter?

I thought a hatter is someone who made hats; isn't someone who sells men's hats a haberdasher?Jim Lacey 19:26, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Images of hats

A while ago I was looking for the name of a certain hat and referred to this page as a quick way to find it. Alas, it was very difficult and in the end I didn't find the answer from this page. The reason is that there are no images available next to the text descriptions on the list, and therefore it requires the reader to actually read through the whole list to even have the slightest idea of what each piece of headgear looks like. I propose a table with images on the right-hand side, which will contain an image for each and every type of hat in the list (as long as one exists on Wikipedia). The table will have 2 or 3 columns in order to match the height of the list entries. Thoughts? -- Ynhockey (Talk) 07:27, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Good idea - but I don't know about a table. There are loads of photos of hats on Wiki Commons. Each style of hat should have a thumbnail photo illustrating it.--Gilabrand (talk) 17:27, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
I saw that you'd added images, Gilabrand. I know you said you didn't like the idea of a table, but I think it looks a lot neater with it than without it. If the consensus is to remove it, of course I'll abide by that, but see what you think. -- JediLofty User ¦ Talk 14:55, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
Actually, it looks very good! Feel free to add more images if you come across appropriate ones. I don't think the same hat should appear twice, though. If there are several names for the same hat, they should be merged --Gilabrand (talk) 15:11, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
I was umming and aahing over that. It's really a UK/US thing - in the UK they're more commonly known as a bowler, whereas in the US it's a Derby. At least that's my understanding. -- JediLofty User ¦ Talk 15:27, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
Well, I'm from the U.S. (East Coast) and we always called it a bowler.--Gilabrand (talk) 15:33, 13 February 2008 (UTC)


[edit] hat types

I don't think this page should be limited to hats that have an article on Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a complete resource on ANY subject. If there are hat types with a reference (and preferably a photo), I don't see why they should be removed. Tilt hats, for example, date back to the 1940s. Other types I just thought of are cloche hats and bellboy hats, and of course there are more.--Gilabrand (talk) 11:04, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Material Hat can be made of

I reverted a change that said "Some hats are made of leather." If we start adding the different materials that hats can be made of this article will have a lot of useless information. Where would we draw the line as to what materials would be listed and what materials wouldn't be listed? I do not believe we need to individually list any materials that a hat can be made of. (in response to comment left on my talk page about my revert) Jons63 (talk) 22:57, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Look at the IP edits I reverted today. What you reverted was just a continuation of that vandalism. It's non-notable to list common materials that hats can be made of. Good change. →Wordbuilder (talk) 23:01, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
So should we remove the part in which they list a few types of hats and how to clean them? Where do we draw the line there? Just because you two know that hats can be made out of leather doesn't mean everyone does. If I put what electrons could be made out of on the electron page you may not take objection, but it seems obvious to me. MajorAwesome (talk) 23:07, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
Yes, I already removed it also after you brought it to my attention on my talk page. Jons63 (talk) 23:10, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
I'm hard-pressed to believe your edits are in good faith, MajorAwesome. You started off adding, "Some hats are made of leather, however not all things made of leather are technically hats". Now, you're claiming to be a "milliner of leather hats" in Auklington, New Zealand. There is no such place and your IP returns to the University of Toronto. →Wordbuilder (talk) 23:18, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
Wordbuilder, I would think that someone with skill for pedantry that you pocess would have noticed that I never said that I was a in Auklington, I merely associated myself with my hat shop which is in Auklington. Now I am sure that you did a quick google search for Auklington and didn’t find it so now you are sure it does not exist. But of course you know that no amount of failed searching can prove that something does not exist. This is not the issue which most concerns me. What concerns me the most is that Jons63 removed the hat cleaning section for no real reason. If he thought that something in there might not be true he should ask for it to be cited, no? I don’t think that he can remove useful and non obvious information just because he doesn’t like it, I think this was not ok. MajorAwesome (talk) 02:49, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
Per this, I am done here. →Wordbuilder (talk) 03:05, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
I have a hard time believing that your intentions in good faith either. It seems like you are now looking for reasons to remove this section (which I did not even write) just to spite me. I am putting it back and then the page will be the same as it was before I made any changes. MajorAwesome (talk) 18:00, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
OK I think this getting out of hand perhaps you guys (Jons63 and WordBuilder) could explain something to me. I know you think that I am a troll or a vandal or whatever but please hear me out. I understand that you took issue with my original edits, however I have let that go and am not pursuing that anymore. I don't think that the hat cleaning section is a howto it just list some ways in which some hats can be cleaned. Like if the bread page listed some ways to leaven bread. I know that you do not agree however I don't see why your opinions should trump mine. And why my thinking these three lines of text are appropriate is considered "vandalism". Also this section existed for quite sometime unperturbed until you two got annoyed with me. Please explain, and not just by saying "Wikipedia is not a howto". Respectfully, MajorAwesome (talk) 18:22, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
To begin with, I have never said you were a troll/vandal and never thought you were a troll/vandal. I assume that your edits are in good faith. Now onto the subject. I had read the article prior to you editing it, but don't even remember the part about cleaning. You brought it up and I reviewed it and saw it was similiar (as you pointed out) to the line you had added. I felt (and still feel) that it is unneccessary to tell people howto clean hats. It was also poorly written and unsourced as I stated in my edit summary when I first deleted it. Maybe my edit summary didn't make it clear, my primary reason was that it was unnecessary. If you can give a reason why it should be in, I am willing to listen, but just because it was there untouched for a period of time doesn't mean it should remain. If we were to put it back in the article, where would we draw the line as to which materials we would tell people how to clean? What about different manufacturers of hats, what if their cleaning method for a material is different, then do we tell how to clean that manufacturer's hats specifically? Jons63 (talk) 18:44, 5 March 2008 (UTC)