Talk:Hastings Line
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[edit] Early Talk
Hastings article mentions about problems with the loading gauge - this should be added to this article and explained / expanded upon here if anyone knows anything about it --84.68.63.54 14:04, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
- further investigation leads me to believe that a tunnel somewhere between Hastings and Tunbridge Wells had a low height on it (there are only a one or two tunnel on my OS map). When the line was finally electrified in the late 80's/early 90s (to 750v DC) this was overcome, presumably by going single track in the tunnel but no site I've browsed mentions it - they could have re-bored the tunnel but i doubt it. --Pickle 18:20, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
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- Both the statements above are incorrect - see my rewrite - and there are seven tunnels. In addition the statement that the line to Tunbridge Wells was electrified in the interwar years is totally wrong. The nearest electric trains got to on this line was to Sevenoaks. Diesels worked the entire line through Tonbridge until electrification in 1986. Even the main line to Dover was still steam until after WWII. And the single track through the tunnels is not quite true - the two lines (up and down) are interlaced. Peter Shearan 10:30, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
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- Nice work on this page, at the time i didn't many sources to look up, cheers ;) Pickle 12:58, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Interlaced Track etc. etc.
According to this thread, there is considerable doubt about the tunnels having interlaced track. The claim needs a solid third-party citation, or to be removed. --88.110.235.235 16:57, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
- Long thread with some intresting details....
- This bit on tunnels is also very intresting ;
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- ... Mountfield suffered a partial collapse in the early/mid 1970s, and was singled by 1975, being laid on concrete slab track which also helped strengthen the foundations. For a while after the collapse there was single line working, before a closure of about six to eight weeks to single line. When the line was electrified the layout at Mountfield was amended with the trap points being removed, and
signals moved back.
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- Wadhurst, Strawberry Hill and Somerhill all singled between April 1985 and January 1986. Grove Tunnel at Tunbridge Wells was laid double slab track, owing to clearances being tight to prevent movement of the track. ... - [1]
- Have in incorporate it soon Pickle 18:56, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
There is no interlaced track in the tunnels on the Hastings line - the single track tunnels all have "conventional" single track. I'm not 100% sure reference to Mount Pleasant Tunnel should be included - the Hastings Line to most people is the line between Tonbridge and Hastings and does not include the continuation on to Ore. Purists might argue that the two tunnels either side of St Leonards Warrior Square station shouldn't be included - they are not part of the actual Hastings line being built as part of the LBSCR Hastings - Eastbourne line, rather than as part of the SER Tonbridge-Hastings Line. There's several things amiss with the list of tunnels - running south from Tonbridge, the tunnels are Somerhill Tunnel* (almost immediately after the Hastings line branches away from the main line), Wells Tunnel (immediately to the north of Tunbridge Wells station), Grove Tunnel (immediately to the south of Tunbridge Wells station), Strawberry Hill Tunnel* (not far south of the site of the former Grove Junction), Wadhurst Tunnel*, Mountfield Tunnel*(which was singled long before the others and as not as part of the electrification of the line), Bo Peep Tunnel and Hastings Tunnel. (Not all of the tunnels sre singled as the article states - those marked * are the single line tunnels). Incidentally Hastings Tunnel is to the west of Hastings station and not the east as implied in the article - it adjoins the eastern end of St Leonards Warrior Square's platformsDamnedfroggy 21:22, 20 January 2007 (UTC).
- The article covers the services runing from the London terminal to Hastings (and beyond to Ore) *AND* "Tonbridge to Bopeep Junction" ie Network Rail code "SO170" Pickle 23:36, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
If you ride on the line every day you cannot edit the article to tell us whether the lines through the tunnels are single or interlaced as this falls foul of our no OR rule. However, would someone who owns the 1066 DC DVD referred to in the article watch it to check, then edit the article appropriately, quoting it as a source? I am not enough of a railway fan to do this (well all right but not this far east!!) but someone must have a copy of it. Britmax 18:29, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
- I have deleted all of the talk on this matter. Let me be quite clear on this. THERE WAS NEVER ANY INTERLACED TRACK. Anyone who disputes this should provide clear evidence before posting any such nonsense. Listen to me people ... I used to live in Tunbridge Wells, I have worked on the railway for over 18 years, I have travelled on this route too many times to count, the railway track diagrams from the Quail Map Company say there is NO INTERLACED TRACK, I have access to the Network Rail Sectional Appendix for this route ... and there there is NO INTERLACED TRACK.
- I shall say this for one final time ... there is NO INTERLACED TRACK. Sheepcot 23:44, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
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- I've reverted the delete as your not aloud (unless your an admin) to delete talk page contents. Pickle 02:29, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
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- I was trying to "clean-up" the page. [sigh]Sheepcot 07:35, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
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- No problem with that, what tends to happen, is that when a discussion becomes old and inactive is that you archive the old talk to an archive page ;) Pickle 17:04, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
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- Its all a bit pointless now ... the railways pages have been hi-jacked by the waterways people. I shall not be contributing anything more.Sheepcot 13:51, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Map
I have added a map and removed the 'mapneeded=yes' tag from the header. Sheepcot 21:28, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Template
I've amended the template to show the Mountfield line and KESR line junction correctly. Mjroots (talk) 17:20, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Linkspam?
There seems to be a dispute about the Quail source used in the article. As the website is advertising books for sale, it could be classed as linkspam. IMHO it would be better to use the {{cite book}} template to reference the book itself. Mjroots (talk) 10:42, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
- I agree. The website is not the reference, it is one of the books being advertised there that is the reference. --Dr Greg (talk) 11:57, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
