Talk:Hassānīya

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Please don't revert all of my edits if you object to only one. Keep what's right. S710 20:45, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough But I don't see anything that should be retained; the previous introduction was more useful to readers and contained more information. -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 20:49, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

I corrected the following inaccuracies:

  • 1) Hassaniya is not spelled commonly spelled H.assaniya by linguists.
  • 2) Hassaniya is not a Bedouin dialect. Bedouin is not a linguistic category.
  • 3) the authority of the Beni Hassan tribes was not ended with the war of 1644-74.
  • 4) That it was isolated from norther Berber languages and Romance languages is completely irrelevant (so was Egyptian and Syrian)
  • 5) Its geographical ISOLATION did not expose it to influence from Zenaga and Wolof
  • 6) It is not just spoken by specific tribal groupings
  • 7) That Sahrawis and moors are closely connected is very vague and irrelevant. Language is the topic.
  • 8) Hassaniya is not "derived" from the Arabic spoken by the Bani Hassan. The Bani Hassan spoke Hassaniya.

I corrected these items. I did not add information. Please do not revert these corrections without adressing these errors. S710 21:09, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Okay Where did you get this information? -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 21:30, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia rules:"Do not simply revert changes in a dispute. When someone makes an edit you consider biased or inaccurate, improve the edit, rather than reverting it. Provide a good edit summary when making significant changes that other users might object to. The Three Revert Rule forbids the use of reverts in repetitive succession." To answer your question. If you read my points, you will see that I don't introduce new information. In that case I would have included my sources. S710 21:59, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

No new information I apologize; clearly I was mistaken. I was being sloppy when studying your edits; pardon me. -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 22:18, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. I added some recent, English language publications in the bibliography (No H. there, by the way).S710 06:50, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Added Morocco (some tribes of the Maqil Ait Atta speak Hassaniya) Niger and Senegal. info from Ethnologue: ARABIC, HASSANIYA (MAURE, MAURI, MOOR, SULAKA, HASANYA, HASSANI) [MEY] 127,400 in Niger (1991); 5,000 in Senegal (1993); 106,100 in Mali (1991); 1,800,000 in Mauritania (1991); 2,230,000 in all countries. Also in Morocco, Algeria. Afro-Asiatic, Semitic, Central, South, Arabic. Muslim. Survey needed.S710 09:29, 20 September 2006 (UTC) [1]

[edit] WP:MEDCAB

I will serve as your mediator. Lets start with stopping the revert war. I request that both of you present your case nicely and politely. Please do so under here. Thanks—— Eagle (ask me for help) 02:16, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

There is no dispute Read the talk above. -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 02:28, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
Yeah I see... I was going by the reverts. Closed —— Eagle (ask me for help) 02:39, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 2,787,625 ?

Isn't it a bit adventurous to state that this language/dialect/variety has a total of exactly 2,787,625 speakers (not 1 more, not 1 less)? Numbers of speakers are usually mere estimates (and mere rough ones at that), because how could one count every last speaker of a language with figures in the millions and be absolutely sure that not one was left, and be sure that not one was counted in that shouldn't? (people are continually dying and being born, so the population of an area is in constant change and using exact census figures is fictitious to a certain extent since it tries to freeze an essentially fluctuating quantity, and besides census figures include born-deaf people, for example, apart from the fact that languages and dialects have fuzzy borders with their closest relatives and people may have varying degrees of fluency, so it is often very subjective to try and draw clear limits so as to define which persons speak and which ones do not speak a certain language variety). So it looks ridiculous to use such an overly precise number for what can be nothing but an estimation. Giving a rounded figure such as "over 2,750,000" or "aprox. 2,800,000" would be more realistic and credible. 213.37.6.23 (talk) 13:46, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm no expert, but that's what the source says. I reffed the figure, and gave the exact wording in the footnote. I would assume with some digging you could find a more rounded figure which is similarly referenced. If so you should change it (as you are correct, it sounds very odd). But until you find a source, we should keep the figure with a reputable reference. T L Miles (talk) 14:18, 13 May 2008 (UTC)