Talk:Haskalah

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I am not sure why someone would be concerned about NPOV in the article. Could you explain your concern? Take a look at the references if you want further backgroumd. --Goodoldpolonius2 14:35, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I presume you're talking to me, because I moaned about POV. The present version is rather biased towards the earlier maskilim and totally ignores later members of the movement who were active in 19th and early 20th-century Poland, Russia and Lithuania. I'm not offering to write it, because it will come out as POV by definition (I consider myself biased). JFW | T@lk 19:53, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)

This isn't so much a POV issue then, as it is a lack of information issue. I don't know a lot about later haskalah movements, I just rewrote the previous (lacking) article.

Add the detail you want. The only way it would be NPOV is if you said something like "The German Haskalah movement was run by idiots" or something. --Goodoldpolonius2 02:20, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Jewish Emancipation

Should that page simply be a redirect to this one? Rmhermen 00:23, Mar 12, 2005 (UTC)

Oh, come on. This is absurd. Now Jews want to take credit for the Age of Enlightenment, too?

Do Wiki's referees require ANY evidence for these preposterous claims? Gutenberg's invention of the printing press surely would have SOME documentation that Jews had their private, secretive Enlightenment, while America and Europe waited for instructions from the "underground?"

The Documentary Hypothesis illustrates Jews plagiarized the Tank-ah. Fine. It's not literal history, but a document of tribal faith of a nomadic peoples long ago non-existent. But to claim Jews were part of the Enlightenment is so bizarre it can only be ridiculed.

But no one -- other than Baruch Spinoza in Amsterdam -- drew any PUBLIC attention toward Enlightenment ideas. He was "excommunicated" by Amsterdams rabbinical authorities for his blasphemy, idolatry, and heterodoxy. But he was also a baptized Christian, as well as nominal Jew, in which Jews now want to capture him as their own? Holland's tolerance to pluralism was in fact one of the reason Jews migrated to Holland. Next they'll insist he was baptized against his will, that the rabbis were consumed that Dutch "intolerance" would have none of an unorthodox Christian/Jew? Please.

But, here is an undocumented, unsupported entry on Wiki of such preposterous, undocumented nonsense, not even a rabbinical or Jewish publisher can be cited for "independent verification." Are we to await as they manufacture it? Wait until the scrolls are unraveled?

Wiki's referees don't even understand Karl Popper, apparently a Jewish emigre, but more importantly, a man of impeccable standards. No evidence. No validity. Unable to be falsified, incapable of being verified. That from a nominal Jew who never thought his "identity" counted more than reason, science, logic, and evidence. I am sure he would find this entry outlandish, preposterous, and appalling. And perhaps, guiling. At some point, contributors to Jewish hegemony write their own anti-Jewish reactions. Of 0.2% populations, Jews were always the first?

No wonder Evangelicals, Rabbi Eckstein, and Fundamentalists find gullibility. Wiki is so gullible or lacking criteria, "making it up" works as PostModernists insist it will.

Dshsfca (talk) 01:13, 13 April 2008 (UTC)dshsfca

• What is the Tank-ah? Sounds oily.. Zargulon (talk) 17:46, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I could not understand what you added to the article, nor can I understand your comments here. Jayjg ^(talk) 23:39, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] "Authentic Judaism?"

I'm not a big expert on this, but this sounds a bit biased to me:

"Haskalah produced such groups as the Reform movement, which deviated from authentic Judaism with the relaxation of Jewish law which was based on denial of Divinity of Oral Torah in particular.."

Does Wikipedia take the stance that Reform Jews are not authentic Jews? --Jfruh 05:19, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Map

This isn't my field, but I found the article fascinating. One question, though - is there a way to incorporate the map *into* the article? The link is a bit awkward. Thanks. 86.29.110.26 00:36, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

I think this can be easily changed by saying "traditional Judaism." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.0.233.30 (talk) 21:28, 23 November 2007 (UTC)