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Contents 1 "Poland and Russia" or "Belarus and Ukraine"? 2 Tevilas Ezra -- Tisha Kabim 3 gerrer wedding video

[edit] "Poland and Russia" or "Belarus and Ukraine"?

both are given as where the movement originated, within a few lines of each other. which is it? Richardson mcphillips1 (talk) 21:23, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tevilas Ezra -- Tisha Kabim

If I recall correctly, this was a takana sheayn Hatzibur yachol la'amod bo (an enactment which was too difficult for the community [community here being the entire nation of Israel] ), and was considered to be neve enacted (nullified ab initio ) (Talmud Berachos, IIRC, but its been a while) So the text was incorrect. Secondly, why Non-Hasidim immerse is irrelevant and extraneous in this article. So for both reasons, that text was removed. -- Avi (talk) 23:10, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

The takana was repealed because it discouraged people from learning Torah, but it was a valid takana while it lasted. It remains a midas chassidus, especially since the Baal Shem Tov is said (sorry, no source) to have held that it was only repealed for Torah and not for Tefilah (or in another version I've heard, the BShT reinstated it for Tefilah). Either way, gein in vasser is related to Ezra's original gezera, at least as a midas chasidus. I'm reinstating it, with a slight change of wording. -- Zsero (talk) 00:23, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

I need to check that out, IIRC, the din by takanos sheayn Hatzibur yachol Laamod bo is nullification ab initio. Cf. R' Moshe ZT"L's teshuva on hand-clapping on Shabbos. Furthermore, why is this explanation needed here; it appears to be out of scope, or if anything, should be discussed under uses of mikvah. -- Avi (talk) 16:29, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

It's primarily a chassidic thing. At least among Ashkenazim, few non-chassidim used to do it until the recent chassidisation of the non-chassidic world. People who don't do opsheren, or celebrate yortzeits, or have separate weddings, don't go to mikveh except on Erev Yom Kippur. In the same way that Litvaks and other non-chassidim have adopted other chassidic practises, to a much smaller extent some have started to adopt this one too. Even today, I don't think you'll find any such thing as a men's mikveh in any non-chassidic Ashkenazi community. Those that go regularly use chassidishe mikvaos. In the old days, on Erev YK they either used the women's mikveh, or the keilim mikveh! -- Zsero (talk) 16:36, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] gerrer wedding video

i have a gerrer wedding video with thousands of people attending. this is the link http://youtube.com/watch?v=owi6tzww-0Q. let me know if you think it is an appropriate video to post on the page. thanks 129.64.143.32 (talk) 21:08, 16 April 2008 (UTC)jonah