User talk:Harrisonlatour

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[edit] Image copyright problem with Image:LaTourHarrison.jpg

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[edit] Image copyright problem with Image:Latourblanch1.jpg

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[edit] License tagging for Image:MuskogeeCourtHouse.jpg

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[edit] Image:MuskogeeCourtHouse.jpg

Hi. When you uploaded Image:MuskogeeCourtHouse.jpg, you did not specify complete source and copyright information. Another user subsequently tagged it with {{GFDL-presumed}} and, for some time, it has existed on Wikipedia under the assumption that you created the image and you agreed to license it under the GFDL. This assumption, however well-meaning, is not legally sufficient and the tag is being phased out. Images using it are being deleted.

This image has been tagged for deletion and will be deleted in one week if adequate copyright information is not provided.

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If you did not create the image or if it is derived from the copyrighted works of others, please keep in mind that most images on the internet are copyrighted and are not suitable for use on Wikipedia. Wikipedia respects the copyrights of others and does not use images unless we know that they have been freely licensed. Any creative work is automatically copyrighted, even if it lacks a copyright notice. Unless the copyright holder has specifically disclaimed their rights to the image and released it under the GFDL or another compatible license, we cannot use it. If you did not create the image, and cannot make the image compliant with Wikipedia:Non-free content, simply do nothing and it will be deleted in a week. All other non-free images must follow these rules.

Please feel free to contact me on my talk page or leave a message at Wikipedia:Media copyright questions with any questions you may have. Thank you. Aksibot 07:07, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Speedy deletion of St. Thomas Primitive Baptist Church

A tag has been placed on St. Thomas Primitive Baptist Church, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article seems to be blatant advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become an encyclopedia article. Please read our the guidelines on spam as well as the Wikipedia:Business' FAQ for more information.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the article's talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Polly (Parrot) 18:53, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Speedy deletion of Alexis LaTour House

A tag has been placed on Alexis LaTour House requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G12 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be a blatant copyright infringement. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or printed material, and as a consequence, your addition will most likely be deleted. You may use external websites as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences. This part is crucial: say it in your own words.

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If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the article's talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. KurtRaschke (talk) 03:22, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Speedy deletion of George Murrell

A tag has been placed on George Murrell, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under [[WP:CSD#G1|section G1 of the criteria for speedy deletion], because the page appears to have no meaningful content or history, and the text is unsalvageably incoherent. If the page you created was a test, please use the sandbox for any other experiments you would like to do. Feel free to leave a message on my talk page if you have any questions about this.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the article's talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. JD554 (talk) 16:17, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

The article was deleted as a biography which did not assert the notability of the subject. If you have reason to believe the subject was notable, please create a better article, more clearly explaining who he was and how he meets our standards for notability. --Orange Mike | Talk 16:26, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Speedy deletion of Ursiana Manuel

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[edit] Simmons Building

If Jake Simmons Jr. turns out to be a copyvio, I shall be very annoyed. -- RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 12:38, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Image copyright problem with Image:PhoenixFederalBuildingMuskogee.JPG

Image Copyright problem

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If you have any questions, please feel free to ask them at the media copyright questions page. Thanks again for your cooperation. NOTE: once you correct this, please remove the tag from the image's page. STBotI (talk) 13:13, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Jake Simmons Jr.

I'm sad to see that Jake Simmons Jr. appears to be a copyright violation of [1]. Mr. Simmons clearly is notable and should have an entry in Wikipedia. But Wikipedia has strict policies about copyright violation. Please, please rewrite the article in your own words. If you do not rewrite it quickly, I will have to tag it for speedy deletion. Sbowers3 (talk) 14:32, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Never mind, I'm working on a major rewrite. Thanks for starting the article. Even if your contents was a copyright violation, you brought a noteworthy man to the attention of the Wikipedia community. But next time, please rewrite the text yourself to avoid a copyvio. Or just write a stub with a sentence or two to identify the subject, then add references to sources of information. Sbowers3 (talk) 19:51, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Notability of Pierre Grasset LaTour

A tag has been placed on Pierre Grasset LaTour requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the article appears to be about a real person, organization (band, club, company, etc.), or web content, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not indicate the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable. If this is the first page that you have created, then you should read the guide to writing your first article.

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For guidelines on specific types of articles, you may want to check out our criteria for biographies, for web sites, for bands, or for companies. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Powers T 16:49, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Speedy deletion of Roy LeBlanc

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[edit] Image copyright problem with Image:FlynnAmes1.jpg

Image Copyright problem

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[edit] Nationsbank

None of that is really about Nationsbank; it's not an article on their management of various buildings, of which they own thousands. All of that belongs at most in an article about the building itself. --Golbez (talk) 20:14, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

"I discuss the saving of the Flynn-Ames Building with NationBank officials..." I? You? You can't just put that, you have to link to it elsewhere, if it were notable, which frankly it's not, at least not for this article. --Golbez (talk) 22:59, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Catherine LaToure House

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A tag has been placed on Catherine LaToure House, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done for the following reason:

What on earth is this article about? Someone's mortgage? Who cares? Anyway. it fails all the standard tests of context, notability and general encyclopedic value and is probably an illegal invasion of the privacy of the parties mentioned in the article who were certainly extant only 30 years ago and may still be alive.

Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not meet basic Wikipedia criteria may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as an appropriate article, and if you can indicate why the subject of this article is appropriate, you may contest the tagging. To do this, add {{hangon}} on the top of the page and leave a note on the article's talk page explaining your position. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would confirm its subject's notability under the guidelines.

For guidelines on specific types of articles, you may want to check out our criteria for biographies, for web sites, for bands, or for companies. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. andy (talk) 00:21, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Alexis LaTour House

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[edit] Notability of Pioneer Abstract & Title Company of Muskogee

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[edit] Your recent edits

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[edit] Notability of Robert G. Millar

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For guidelines on specific types of articles, you may want to check out our criteria for biographies, for web sites, for bands, or for companies. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. andy (talk) 00:33, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Notability of Cimarron Federal Savings and Loan Association

A tag has been placed on Cimarron Federal Savings and Loan Association requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the article appears to be about a real person, organization (band, club, company, etc.), or web content, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not indicate the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable. If this is the first page that you have created, then you should read the guide to writing your first article.

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For guidelines on specific types of articles, you may want to check out our criteria for biographies, for web sites, for bands, or for companies. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. andy (talk) 07:32, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Notability of Phoenix Federal Building and Loan Association

A tag has been placed on Phoenix Federal Building and Loan Association requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the article appears to be about a real person, organization (band, club, company, etc.), or web content, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not indicate the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable. If this is the first page that you have created, then you should read the guide to writing your first article.

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For guidelines on specific types of articles, you may want to check out our criteria for biographies, for web sites, for bands, or for companies. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. andy (talk) 07:34, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Notability of Luther L. Bohanon

A tag has been placed on Luther L. Bohanon requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the article appears to be about a real person, organization (band, club, company, etc.), or web content, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not indicate the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable. If this is the first page that you have created, then you should read the guide to writing your first article.

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For guidelines on specific types of articles, you may want to check out our criteria for biographies, for web sites, for bands, or for companies. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. andy (talk) 07:38, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] AfD nomination of Alexis LaTour House

An article that you have been involved in editing, Alexis LaTour House, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alexis LaTour House. Thank you. andy (talk) 14:53, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

I have added ManhattanBuilding, V. R. Coss House, First Baptist Church (Muskogee, OK) and St. Thomas Primitive Baptist Church to this nomination. andy (talk) 15:02, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

It is nice to know that one can't publish about with Wikipedia, because of the truth of the article. It is nice to know that you are keeping the truth from being published. It is also nice to know that you are deleting articles about homes that are on the National Register of Historic Places.

  • I'm not deleting them - I'm not an administrator so I can't delete anything. I'm suggesting that these articles are inappropriate for inclusion in Wikipedia. There will be a debate in which you can participate. they may be deleted or they may be kept. andy ([[User talk:Andyjsmith|talk) 15:12, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
    • Several other participants in the WikiProject on NRHP (WP:NRHP) have entered into this AfD discussion in defense of the Alexis LaTour and other 4 NRHP articles. I am virtually positive the outcome of the discussion will be to KEEP the 5 articles, so they will not be deleted. Sincerely, doncram (talk) 13:57, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] WP:COI and your role as an editor

If you have a close connection to some of the people, places or things you have written about in the article Alexis LaTour House, you may have a conflict of interest. In keeping with Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy, edits where there is a conflict of interest, or where such a conflict might reasonably be inferred from the tone of the edit and the proximity of the editor to the subject, are strongly discouraged. If you have a conflict of interest, you should avoid or exercise great caution when:

  1. editing articles related to you, your organization, or its competitors, as well as projects and products they are involved with;
  2. participating in deletion discussions about articles related to your organization or its competitors;
  3. linking to the Wikipedia article or website of your organization in other articles (see Wikipedia:Spam);
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  4. avoid breaching relevant policies and guidelines, especially neutral point of view, verifiability, and autobiography.

For information on how to contribute to Wikipedia when you have conflict of interest, please see Wikipedia:Business' FAQ. For more details about what constitutes a conflict of interest, please see Wikipedia:Conflict of Interest. Thank you.

We love having you here at Wikipedia. Your contributions are important to the project. That said, the Conflict of Interest policy has come from years of consensus and has served us well. We would love your first-hand suggestions for articles personally involving you or your family, but these should be given on the article Discussion pages. If an article does not exist, but you think it should and would be in conflict creating it, definitely contact of the WikiProjects (Loisiana, New Orleans, or History would be good starts). If they agree that the subject meets WP:N, someone else can create the article and you can avoid having these deletion hearings. Creating or editing articles yourself in which you have COI earns the frowny-face around here (as you can see). Thanks and we look forward to your input! --BizMgr (talk) 17:30, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia and its scope

Hello Harrisonlatour, I can see that you may be upset with some of the changes I made in the V.R. Coss House article, and with the nomination of several article you started for deletion, and the speedy deletion of several others. I think that perhaps we have arrived here because of misunderstanding of what we are doing at Wikipedia. We are building an encyclopedia. We are not building a genealogical database or a depository of family stories. I would agree that articles on buildings on the NRHP should not be deleted, but they must be written as an encyclopedia article. Information in the encyclopedia must be verifiable, which means that it must come from published sources. As interesting and valuable as family stories are, they cannot be verified, so cannot be the basis of an article. Raw reseach data, such as loan information or other primary sources cannot be the major content of an article because someone who is not familiar with the subject will be confused by the raw data.

I gather from you contributions and the links that you have provided that you are interested in genealogy of your family and, by extension, local history. This is a wonderful thing. Your research can lead to many topics of value to the encyclopedia project, and we would love to have such contributions. We merely ask that you frame the information as articles with verifiable, published information. Dsmdgold (talk) 18:25, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

The articles in Category:Genealogy deal with people, organizations and concepts important to the study of geneaology, all of which can be valid articles for an encyclopedia. That is different from raw genealogical data or unverifiable family stories. I am also removing the copyright notice you have placed below, because all contributions to Wikipedia are released under the GFDL. Dsmdgold (talk) 21:14, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

When it comes to people, the encyclopedia is just one big data base of a family tree. When you name more than one family member in any article, you are forming a family tree. You have the person you are writing about, then if you say, he is the son of or daugher of, that is forming a family tree.

The copyright notice was to let you know that I am serious about genealogy and history.

It may be that by stating that family relations of person, then we are starting a family tree. It, however, is rarely necessary to go beyond one generation in either direction in an article. It often is not necessary to mention the parents (or children) of a article's subject at all. We are not put together to be a genealogical database. The parents of most people on whom we have articles do not meet the notability requirements, and do not have articles. Outside of royalty and nobility, it would be very rare for us to have articles on members of more than two generations of a family. even if articles do mention parents or children what you have is less of a family tree and more of several unconnected twigs laying around the on ground.
I am glad that you are serious about genealogy and history, but that does not alter our licensing policy. Dsmdgold (talk) 00:46, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Jake Simmons Jr.

Can you provide a reference for your addition of L.T. Thomas to Jake Simmons Jr.? I accept that it is true, but Wikipedia's policy states: "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth. "Verifiable" in this context means that readers should be able to check that material added to Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source. Editors should provide a reliable source for quotations and for any material that is challenged or is likely to be challenged, or it may be removed." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sbowers3 (talk • contribs) 18:27, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Charles Deslandes

Please do not add copyrighted material to Wikipedia without permission from the copyright holder, as you did to Charles Deslandes. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or printed material; such additions will be deleted. You may use external websites as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously, and persistent violators will be blocked from editing.
I appreciate your interest in contributing to the article, but please do not copy material from books or other websites. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz (talk · contribs) 22:14, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Notability of Laurence H. Rooney

A tag has been placed on Laurence H. Rooney requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the article appears to be about a real person, organization (band, club, company, etc.), or web content, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not indicate the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable. If this is the first page that you have created, then you should read the guide to writing your first article.

If you think that you can assert the notability of the subject, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the article's talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would confirm the subject's notability under Wikipedia guidelines.

For guidelines on specific types of articles, you may want to check out our criteria for biographies, for web sites, for bands, or for companies. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. andy (talk) 08:29, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Your recent edits

Please refrain from introducing inappropriate pages, such as Laurence H. Rooney, to Wikipedia. Doing so is not in accordance with our policies. For more information about creating articles, you may want to read Your first article. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. andy (talk) 08:29, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Please STOP adding inappropriate material to Wikipedia. Almost everything you have added has been deleted because it is unencyclopedic, irrelevant, a breach of copyright or for other reasons. You clearly do not understand how Wikipedia works. Please familiarise yourself with our policies. If you continue in this manner you are likely to be barred from contributing to Wikipedia. andy (talk) 08:29, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Laurence H. Rooney was founder of this wikipedia company, Manhattan Construction Company. I did not start these articles, I am just editing them and telling the truth.

That's totally irrelevant. Read the WP policy on notability at WP:NN - you keep falling foul of it and you will continue to do so until you read and follow it. Also read WP:NOT which states that "merely being true, or even verifiable, does not automatically make something suitable for inclusion in the encyclopedia". If this guy meets WP's criteria then you must demonstrate it in the article, otherwise it's for the chop. andy (talk) 08:45, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
And btw you did start that page. andy (talk) 08:45, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Also, his son, Francis Rooney has a wikipedia page that needs to be edited to reflect Muskogee, Oklahoma.

And yes I did start the Laurence H. Rooney page. He is founder of this wikipedia company, Manhattan Construction Company. How are you going to have a page about a company, and not its founder. I am seeing prejudice within your articles. Prejudice as in, telling the whole truth.

That's just not how Wikipedia works. You clearly still haven't read up on any Wikipedia policies. Please just click on Help and read the section on policies. Otherwise you will be continually frustrated. andy (talk) 09:52, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Orphaned non-free media (Image:PrinceHallMason.jpg)

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[edit] Another warning about your edits. Please pay attention!

I have marked an article you created, Vian State Bank as a candidate for deletion. My reasons are that this is a minor news story, not an encyclopedia article. And it's an OLD news story - it happened 11 years ago. You may contest the proposal if you wish.

I am surprised and disappointed that you are paying no attention to what I and other editors are telling you about the edits that you are making on Wikipedia. Your activities are disruptive and harmful to this encyclopedia. Why do you think that you can dump the contents of your archive into Wikipedia?

Please stop. If you continue to introduce inappropriate pages to Wikipedia you will be blocked from editing. andy (talk) 11:56, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Vian State Bank

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[edit] AfD nomination of Vian State Bank

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[edit] Speedy deletion of Fourth Financial Corp

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[edit] Speedy deletion of Fourth Financial Corp

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[edit] Commercial Landmark Inc

A proposed deletion template has been added to the article Commercial Landmark Inc, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but this article may not satisfy Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and the deletion notice should explain why (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page. Also, please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. If you agree with the deletion of the article, and you are the only person who has made substantial edits to the page, please add {{db-author}} to the top of Commercial Landmark Inc. andy (talk) 23:03, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Pay attention. I mean this seriously. Stop dumping rubbish into this encyclopedia. I am sure you mean well but you must listen to what people are saying about your edits. At this rate you are likely to be blocked from using Wikipedia very soon. andy (talk) 23:03, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

You may be a writer or editor, but you are not a historian like I am. If you were, you would know that Commerical was part of NationsBank's history.

Commercial National Bank (CNB), the earliest forerunner of NationsBank, was formed in 1874.

In 1957, Commercial National merged with its longtime rival in Charlotte, American Trust Co., forming American Commercial Bank. American Commercial changed its name to North Carolina National Bank (NCNB) in 1960 after acquiring of Greensboro-based Security National Bank. In the early 70s, it reorganized as the leading subsidiary of NCNB Corporation.

Also, if you were a historian, you would see that this was a 105 year old banking facility that the government uprooted and became part of a legacy bank with Bank of America

  • An historian is someone who compiles and presents a narrative of past events. Your work is more like that of a squirrel: here are some seemingly unrelated nuggets of information apparently copied from documentary sources but without any attribution and which aren't fitted into any framework. This is not an encyclopedia article in any meaningful sense. It's not possible for any reader to understand the relevance of the facts, nor their relative importance. In fact if this article is about a notable subject then you have totally missed out on presenting any information which indicates why it is notable. Have you not noticed that the other articles I recently proposed for deletion have had to be totally rewritten in order to be retained? Please stop dumping stuff indiscriminately into Wikipedia. andy (talk) 09:31, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

I am a historian and a certified genealogist. LaTour Genealogical Collection has over 20,000 individual names entered in its data base. People like the Queen of England to Barack Obama himself. I has Presidential families as well as my family and maybe your family.

http://www.latourgenealogicalcollection.org/My_Homepage_Files/Page228.html

The database is also backup with historical notes and events.

http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=kingharry

Wikipedia is not a genealogy and is not an indiscriminate collection of information. And some of the information you provided was a copyright violation. Some of the information you provided was useful but it took a lot of work by many editors (including myself) to turn it into usable encyclopedic information. It would be a big help if you provided some indication of why this information is important - why it deserves to be in the encyclopedia and not just in your private collection - for everything you add to Wikipedia. Please make it a little easier for other editors to separate the wheat from the chaff. Sbowers3 (talk) 15:57, 13 February 2008 (UTC)


I understand the copyright laws.

Why do I think the information belong in the encylopedia.

Your articles are taking the reader from 0-100, with no inbetween.

Some of your editors is leaving out historical information that pertains to the whole.

Also the information is not just in my private collection. It is in some historical books. Some of you are just doing a poor job with your research. You may be wrighting and editing the articles correct, but your historical facts are off. Writing and editing an article does not make it a historical article.


It is articles like this that takes away from historical information. This article was written about this historical house that is on the National Register of Historic Places.

What is wrong with this article:

It tells of the house being only in Evangeline Parish, that is a historical error, made by one of wikipedia's editors. This house once was in St. Landry Parish.

Name: Alexis LaTour Land Office: Opelousas Sequence #: 1 Document Number: 2697 Total Acres: 94.78 Signature: Yes Canceled Document: No Issue Date: October 01, 1845 Mineral Rights Reserved: No Metes and Bounds: No Statutory Reference: 3 Stat. 566 Multiple Warantee Names: No Act or Treaty: April 24, 1820 Multiple Patentee Names: No Entry Classification: Sale-Cash Entries Land Description: 1 1 Louisiana No 4 S 2 E 21


Platte, Louisiana. The oldest portion of the house was built in 1835 by Alexis LaTour. The house was expanded in 1837. The original house was a one and a half story Creole cottage of bousillage construction that was one room wide and two rooms deep and had a front gallery. The 1837 expansion added two rooms and a central hall. Details of the house, including an exterior staircase, bousillage construction, and beaded clapboarding, ceiling beams, and ceiling boards were common in tradtional Creole architecture. Both the older and the newer part of the house had unusual mantels. The older mantel featured cove moldings, panels, and a large central lozenge. The other mantels in the house were more traditional but were still unusual.

In 1900 several modfications were made including the addition of Queen Anne style dormers and a large rear wing. Over time, other, smaller modifications have been made including the replacement of windows and doors, the replacement of the original gallery columns, and the replacement of front, exterior staircase. Despite the modifications, the house still retains significant integrity, including the basic Creole form of the house, the bousillage construction, the copious beading, and the original mantels. The house is the best detailed and largest surviving ealry structure in Evangeline Parish. The house was listed on the National Register of Historic Places in 1987 for architectural significance


LaTour Genealogical Collection

I just love the research that you do! As a native, there's a lot we were never told and you have opned my eyes to a lot of knowledge. I thank you so much, cher! Sharon Meyers-Boone Asbury Park, NJ

Maybe you will understand my work if you googled LaTour Genealogical Collection. This will give you a band of what LaTour is involved in. Most genealogical researchers use my database, LaTour Genealogical Collection as there reference and source.

[edit] Fourth Financial Corp

A proposed deletion template has been added to the article Fourth Financial Corp, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but this article may not satisfy Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and the deletion notice should explain why (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page. Also, please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. If you agree with the deletion of the article, and you are the only person who has made substantial edits to the page, please add {{db-author}} to the top of Fourth Financial Corp. andy (talk) 09:48, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

BigDunc approved this page already, he removed the delete tag, after I edited the article. So why are you tring to delete it?

I'm afraid you don't understand the deletion process here. There are three different ways that an article may be deleted. The first is Speedy Deletion. Any article that meets one of the speedy deletion criteria may be deleted by any administrator on sight. Non-administrators may bring the article to the attention of administrators by adding a speedy deletion tag. Removal of the tag does not mean that the article has been "approved" it merely means that the another editor does not feel that the article meets the speedy deletion criteria. It does not mean that the article is cannot be deleted by other deletion processes. The second process is proposed deletion. This is for articles that do not meet the speedy deletion criteria, but that an editor feels the deletion of would not be controversial. The proposed deletion tag remains on the article for five days, or until another editor removes it. If another editor removes the tag then that is evidence that the deletion is controversial. The final proacess is Articles for deletion which is for articles that deletions are controversial. Articles listed there are discussed for seven days, and if there is a consensus for deletion, then they are deleted. During that period editors may continue to work on the article. Flaws in the article are often fixed so that original reason given for deletion no longer applies, in which case the articles are usually kept. I hope this helps you undersand what is happening to your articles here. Dsmdgold (talk) 17:15, 13 February 2008 (UTC)


Something else that you are not aware of. Most of the articles that I am dealing with is part of Muskogee, Oklahoma This is my hometown, I was born and raised here. I, as a genealogist and historian know more than you about these particular historical events that you are leaving out of history.

Actually I am aware that you claim to be a native of Muskogee. You probably have done more research on the local history of Muskoge than I have. However, this is an encyclopedia, and articles here must be summaries of the subject. They cannot contain every fact about the subject, nor can contain information that is slightly relaed to the subject of the article. I am one of the administrators here. If you continue to place this sort of information in articles, I will block you from editing. Dsmdgold (talk) 21:01, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

This is the only warning you will receive for your disruptive edits.
If you vandalize Wikipedia again, as you did to BOK Financial Corporation, you will be blocked from editing. andy (talk) 23:35, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

LaTour Genealogical Collection 23:44, 13 February 2008 (UTC) This is a chronological order of historical events, not vandalism. Every bit of this information is documented with the banking industry of Oklahoma.


BOK Financial Corporation traces its history back 98 years. Harry F. Sinclair, founding father of Sinclair Oil, began the Exchange National Bank of Tulsa, Oklahoma in 1910.

Great Depression Years
In 1926, and during the great depression, L.R. Kershaw, a Muskogee, Oklahoma business man became the receiver of 13 National Banks. These banks had failed because of the depression. The Exchange National Bank of Tulsa, Oklahoma was one of those banks.

Reorganized
June 14, 1933, after the depression, the Exchange National Bank of Tulsa merged into the National Bank of Tulsa.

February 10, 1992, the National Bank of Tulsa changed its name to Bank of Oklahoma, National Association


LaTour Genealogical Collection 23:54, 13 February 2008 (UTC) I also noticed you removed the Masonic Bank of Oklahoma Sign. Again, your knowled of history is not up todate. Most bankers are masons, because of the building of communities that they are in. Also, the masonic Bank of Oklahoma sign is the same sign as the Bank of Oklahoma. Notice that both are of the Octagon shape.

[edit] Your editing here

I have watched your editing and conflicts with other editors for the last several days. I think that many of your problems stem from your misunderstanding of what we are doing here. I am going to make a few suggestions.

  • First, we take copyright seriously here. Do not cut and paste material from other websites into articles. This edit is a copyright violation from here. Do not do this again. If you want to use information form another site, copy into a word processing program on your computer and rewrite it so that it no longer violates copyright. Do not do your rewriting in the articles. If you continue to load copyrighted material into articles you will be blocked.
  • Second, you have often stated that you are loading raw data into articles so that you can form the articles. This should not be done in the article space. What many editors do is create a subpage of their user page as a sandbox in which to work on articles. When the article is fully formed they cut and paste it into the article paste. You should consider doing this. Clicking here: User:Harrisonlatour/Sandbox will allow you to create a sandbox. Do keep in mind that you cannot load copyright materials into your sandbox either.
  • Third, try to gain some sense of proportion. Articles should be about the big picture, and not the tiny details. Material in articles should be directly related to the subject. For example, including a Masonic symbol in an article on a bank because "Most bankers are masons, because of the building of communities that they are in" is including material not directly relevant to the subject of the article.
  • A final suggestion is that material does not have to be everywhere that it might be relevant. There is no need to create an article on a now defunct bank, and then include a word for word copy of the article in the bank's descendant firm.

I think that you do not intend to vandalize the encyclopedia, and that you are trying to improve the project. You would do better to read some of our policies though. You might consider reading the following:

I hope that your future experiences here are more pleasent. Dsmdgold (talk) 00:48, 14 February 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Image copyright problem with Image:Bankofamerica.gif

Image Copyright problem

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[edit] Here's how you should edit...

Let me try to explain with a simple example:

Your article Commercial Landmark Inc does not explain what Commercial Landmark Inc actually is. Anyone who didn't already know about it could not work it out from this article.

The phrase "Commercial Landmark" is only used twice in the article, in a section way down the page headed "Louis W. Duncan". The first time it's used is a link to a nonexistent article called Commercial Landmark Corporation, and the second time as part of someone's job title. Is that link supposed to be a circular link back to this very article, or to another article that you haven't yet written and which will contain exactly the same subject matter? Either way, surely you must see that it's hopelessly confusing for readers?

It seems from what I can pick up that Commercial Bank became Commercial Landmark in 1996 yet the article refers to Commercial Bank in the present tense as if it is still in existence, for example "Commercial Bank has one of Oklahoma's outstanding art and antique collections". That's simply wrong, isn't it? Commercial Bank no longer exists.

And then you say "Fourth Financial Corp., a Wichita, Kansas banking firm will buy the Commericial Landmark Inc." (which contains another, mis-spelled link right back to this very article). But I know from other stuff you've written that this too should be in the past tense. So it's also wrong, isn't it?

I'm not going to discuss the other flaws in this article because this example alone is enough to get it deleted from Wikipedia. The article claims to be about something called "Commercial Landmark Inc" but it doesn't explain what Commercial Landmark Inc is, it contains information that is clearly out of date, unreferenced, mixed up and confusing, and most of the article seems to be about other things.

You have received lots of good advice from experienced editors. I urge you to set up a sandbox and use it to create proper articles before adding them into Wikipedia.

andy (talk) 12:09, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Exchange National Bank in Tulsa

I have made some changes in the Exchange National Bank in Tulsa article that I hope will illustrate how to construct an article. Some are minor, but some are not.

  • I removed the Prince Hall Masonic logo, as it had no direct bearing on the article.
  • I removed the picture of the Severs building because the article is about a bank in Tulsa, not about a bank that was once housed in Muskogee, even though the two later merged.
  • I removed the first heading so as to create a lead section. Lead sections do not have headings.
  • I removed all of the headings under corporate history because each section was very short, something discouraged by the Manual of Style.
  • I removed all the material on the activities of the BOK as it has its own article and that material should be there.
  • I converted the phrase "Internal links" to "See also" as this is a prefered style.
  • I removed L.R. Kershaw and Harry Sinclair form the see also section as Kershaw had no conection to the Exchange National Bank and Sinclair is mentioned in the article. We do not put links to articles linked in the article in a See also section.

What is left is short stub about a firm that no longer exists. Which raises a larger problem; there probably should not be an article on this bank, as most of this material could be easily be folded ino the BOK article. It also seems to me that you intention in creating many of these articles, and in most of your editing, is to document the connection these institutions have to Muskogee. Perhaps you consider reading WP:Undue Weight. Dsmdgold (talk) 14:54, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

LaTour Genealogical Collection 14:58, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
Well, that just it, I did fold it into Bank of Oklahoma, and another editor did not like it, so therefore removed it.


LaTour Genealogical Collection 15:00, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
L.R. Kershaw was the receiver of this bank when it failed during the Great Depression.

[edit] More observations on your contributions here

As you have realized, the priorities of the Wikipedia project are different from your own. There's nothing wrong with that. But: your contributions here must reflect our priorities and procedures. Most of the defunct banks you have written about, for example, could be folded into an article on Kershaw or Sinclair, with the text of the article making it clear that these banks in turn became part of the bigger bank. Much of the intricate and complex data you have accumulated is unsuitable for a planet-wide project such as ours (although the Muskogee historical society ought to consider tapping your expertise for some kind of historical website!), as many of the items you know about are of primarily local interest. That is in no way a dismissal or deprecation of your experience and knowledge as a historian and genealogist.

In the meantime, we do ask that you observe our procedures in such matters as providing references to reliable sources, formatting the references in the most useful manner for readers, not signing the articles themselves (nobody owns an article here), and signing your posts to talk pages such as this one by appending a string of four tildes ~ (or simply clicking the signature button at the top of the edit window), rather than typing in the name of your collection. --Orange Mike | Talk 15:21, 14 February 2008 (UTC) B.A. magna cum laude History '04, UWM

[edit] Editing style

Please do not use styles that are unusual or difficult to understand in articles, as you did to BOK Financial Corporation. There is a Manual of Style that should be followed. Thank you. haz (talk) 15:54, 14 February 2008 (UTC)


LaTour Genealogical Collection 16:08, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
I am still learning the tools that wikipedia offers. The style was already established, I just expanded the headlines.


[edit] Image copyright problem with Image:LeBlancCarriereFamily.jpg

Image Copyright problem

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If you have any questions, please feel free to ask them at the media copyright questions page. Thanks again for your cooperation. NOTE: once you correct this, please remove the tag from the image's page. STBotI (talk) 19:55, 14 February 2008 (UTC)


LaTour Genealogical Collection 19:58, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
I'm sorry I will reload it, which will cause an overwrite, and then I will apply a copyright.

[edit] Carriere-LeBlanc Centennial Park family brick

Hi - Could you help me understand why you are placing these images on the Centennial Olympic Park article? Thanks -SCEhardT 20:24, 14 February 2008 (UTC)


LaTour Genealogical Collection 20:30, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
These are photo scanned certificates of family bricks that are laid in the Centennial Olympic Park. These bricks were laid in 1997.


LaTour Genealogical Collection 20:33, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Also, if you read the certificate, it will explain why they were part of the 1996 Olympic Games

Yes, but is there any special significance of these bricks over all the other bricks? Thanks -SCEhardT 21:06, 14 February 2008 (UTC)


LaTour Genealogical Collection 21:14, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Well, I have never been in this park. As far as I know, it could be the only family bricks in the centennial park. The bricks how few are many are a part of the park, just as well as any other monument.

I have removed the images for now. Please discuss on the article talk page if you think they belong in the article. Thanks -SCEhardT 21:56, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Talk pages

Please sign your comments on talk pages by placing ~~~~ after your comments. For example, a proper way to leave a comment is:

Your comments go here. ~~~~

When you save the page, your signature will automatically be displayed. Thanks -SCEhardT 22:40, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Your edits

Just letting you know that your edits to Jacques Dupre have been reverted due to numerous conflicts with WikiPedia's Manual Of Style and Amoco due to your adding external embedded links to the article text. Please take the advice given above and read the policies if you wish your edits to remain, otherwise they begin to look less like good faith efforts and more like vandalism. The Manual Of Style, What WikiPedia Is Not, Original Research and Notability are guidelines and policies that all of us must follow. You should also see External Links (specifically #2 under important points) and Guide To Layout. Also, if you would would like to record your family genealogy online then perhaps you should try US GenWeb, almost all genealogical research is rather tangential here and will be deleted almost as soon as you post it. Sincerely. Altairisfartalk 01:00, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Possibly unfree Image:CarriereLeBlancBrick.jpg

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[edit] Possibly unfree Image:CarriereHollierBrick.jpg

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[edit] Unspecified source for Image:ArmstrongFamily.jpg

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[edit] Image source problem with Image:EasternStateMentalHospital.JPG

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[edit] Image copyright problem with Image:LaTourGenealogicalCollectionBOKFinancial.JPG

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[edit] AfD nomination of Robert Eugene Thomas

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LaTour Genealogical Collection 20:27, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
This is an article about a political race. If you nominate him for deletion, you also have to delete his opponent's wikipedia page, John Tyler Hammons


LaTour Genealogical Collection 20:27, 16 February 2008 (UTC)


LaTour Genealogical Collection 01:10, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

This article is a current event about a polital race. Again if you delete this page, you have to delete his oppenents page, John Tyler Hammons, it not that would be showing politial favortism.


[edit] Attacks in the article Robert Eugene Thomas

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Let's be clear about this. You created this page for one reason only - to pass on the story about Robert Eugene Thomas being charged. You provided no sources and the story you wrote doesn't fit in with publicly available sources. Your motives can be called into question. You need to be very careful about libel.

You said earlier "This is an article about a political race". That's not true, is it? you haven't made any other contributions to articles about the mayoral race.

Do this sort of thing again and I will propose that you should be blocked from editing Wikipedia. You should take this as a final warning.

andy (talk) 01:13, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

  • I don't believe it! In your most recent edit you've linked him to the Oklahoma bombing. Are you stupid? Back off right now or I'll ask for you to be blocked. andy (talk) 01:16, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

LaTour Genealogical Collection 01:19, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

It is an article about politics and terrorism, the Oklahoma City bombing was a terrorist act.

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The image you uploaded, Image:NewWorldOrder.JPG, was a blatant copyright violation from voxfux.com. It also had nothing to do with the Robert Eugene Thomas article. Moreover, the Oklahoma City bombing (which happened in 1995) is totally unrelated to the case of Robert Eugene Thomas (who reported bomb threats within the last two weeks). Your attempt to correlate these two events for political purposes is not acceptable.

I've appreciated your articles about buildings on the National Register of Historic Places, and you've shown a good ability to contribute in those areas. However, you need to learn how to work within Wikipedia's policies regarding copyright and regarding the biographies of living persons. Please tell us if you're willing to work within these policies. --Elkman (Elkspeak) 01:30, 17 February 2008 (UTC)


LaTour Genealogical Collection 01:34, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

I am tring to work with wikipedia's copyright issues. Somethimes I will load a photo and click save before I add copyright information. Most of times it is just a mistake.

LaTour Genealogical Collection 01:36, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

I am this persons uncle, plus his campaign manager. I know about publishing his biography

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[edit] Copyright of Edmondson Simmons photograph

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LaTour Genealogical Collection 10:08, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Andy, it seems that I only contribute the picture, which there is a problem with, and the following: L. W. Thomas of Summit, Oklahoma

With the help of his sons and L. W. Thomas of Summit, Oklahoma, Simmons built the Simmons Royalty Co., and expanded into cattle and insurance.[1][5]

Another wikipedia editor wrote the article, placed to photos that I contributed in there location on the page.


LaTour Genealogical Collection 10:15, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

I would like to continue editing pages, however I was blocked for 24 hours. It seems that someone does not like me editing BOK Financial Corporation. I edited and then someone comes along and remove my own words and research, because it conflicts with the little information that is being provide. When I am can edited again, I will contribute the article again on BOK Financial Corporation and I will ask for a protected page.

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 48 hours in accordance with Wikipedia's blocking policy for uploading copyrighted material from http://www.voxfux.com and violating Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make constructive contributions. If you believe this block is unjustified, you may contest the block by adding the text {{unblock|your reason here}} below.


LaTour Genealogical Collection 10:24, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

I would like to know what is wrong with adding this information to BOK Financial Corporation.

[edit] The Muskogee Banking Market

The Muskogee, Oklahoma Banking Market is defined as including the Muskogee RMA and the remainder of Muskogee County; all of Cherokee County; the town of Wagoner in Wagoner County; and the town of Checotah in McIntosh County (Vian State Bank, Vian, Oklahoma, CFR, 1996, reaffirmed in BOK Financial Corporation, Tulsa, Oklahoma, 1999).

[edit] Citizens Holding Company of Muskogee

On November 14, 1994, Francis Rooney, chairman of banks's board of directors, announced that this 70-year old Muskogee financial institution agreed to sell to Bank of Oklahoma. BOK Financial acquired Citizens Holding Company and its subsidiaries, Citizens Bank of Muskogee, located in the Manhattan Building (Muskogee, Oklahoma) and Citizens Bank of Northwest Arkansas.

[edit] First Bancshares of Muskogee

In May of 1999, the Federal Reserve Board announced its approval of the proposal of BOK Financial Corporation, Tulsa, Oklahoma, to acquire First Bancshares of Muskogee, Inc., its banking subsidiary, First National Bank and Trust Company of Muskogee, located in the Severs Hotel (Muskogee, Oklahoma), and its nonbanking subsidiary, First Muskogee Insurance Corporation, all of Muskogee, Oklahoma.

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I was building a page for Mayor candidate Robert Eugene Thomas, which happens to be my nephew. I accidental loaded an image, and forgot to edited the copyright information. The article on Robert Eugene Thomas was a current event that involves terrorism and a bomb threat. This person is all over the web in the news. He was made famous, because he is running for political office.

LaTour Genealogical Collection 11:17, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

The image you uploaded, Image:NewWorldOrder.JPG, was a blatant copyright violation from voxfux.com. It also had nothing to do with the Robert Eugene Thomas article. Moreover, the Oklahoma City bombing (which happened in 1995) is totally unrelated to the case of Robert Eugene Thomas (who reported bomb threats within the last two weeks). Your attempt to correlate these two events for political purposes is not acceptable.

LaTour Genealogical Collection 11:17, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Robert Eugene Thomas was born in Muskogee, Oklahoma. Muskogee is about 150 miles North East of Oklahoma City. Linking him to Oklahoma City and the Oklahoma bombing was done because he is a Oklahoma resident, who has been arrest for a terrorist threat.

I've appreciated your articles about buildings on the National Register of Historic Places, and you've shown a good ability to contribute in those areas. However, you need to learn how to work within Wikipedia's policies regarding copyright and regarding the biographies of living persons. Please tell us if you're willing to work within these policies. --Elkman (Elkspeak) 01:30, 17 February 2008 (UTC)


LaTour Genealogical Collection 11:34, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

What gets me is that I was blocked for an article with Robert Eugene Thomas, but my work was edited on BOK Financial Corporation after I was blocked. My question is, "the person who blocked me, did they edited BOK Financial Corporation?" If so, shouldn't that be a violation. Block a user on one article, than edited another.


LaTour Genealogical Collection 11:40, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

The Exchange National Bank of Tulsa, Oklahoma was organized in 1910, when four young men purchased the failed
Farmers National Bank of Tulsa. Business men Eugene Frank Blaise, Charles J. Wrightsman, William Connelly, and Harry F. Sinclair became the new owners.

  • In 1926, and during the great depression, L.R. Kershaw, a Muskogee, Oklahoma business man became the receiver of 13 National Banks. These banks had failed because of the depression. The Exchange National Bank of Tulsa, Oklahoma was one of those banks.
  • June 14, 1933, after the depression, the Exchange National Bank of Tulsa merged into the National Bank of Tulsa.
  • February 10, 1992, the National Bank of Tulsa changed its name to Bank of Oklahoma, National Association


LaTour Genealogical Collection 12:04, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Again, another article edited during my time of being blocked, but nothing on the talk pages about editing the information. Question, what bank did Fourth Financial Corporation acquire in the State of Oklahoma in order to move into the Oklahoma market.


Fourth Financial Corporation was a Wichita, Kansas bank holding company that was the largest and one of the oldest banks in Kansas as well as a dominant bank in Oklahoma when it was bought by Boatmen's Bancshares for $1.2 billion in stock in 1995.[1]

Fourth National Bank of Wichita was founded by George C. Strong in 1887.

It became Fourth Financial in 1968. In 1982 it began an aggressive expansion after state banking laws were relaxed allowing it to buy interest in other banks. It bought the maximum shares in five cities of more than 10,000 near colleges. In the strategy it became the biggest bank in the state in 1986 when it was allowed to totally take over its banks. It renamed its banks -- Bank IV.[2]

Between 1985 and 1990 the bank under Jordan L. Haines and Ron Baldwin bought 24 banks -- one every 75 days topping off at one a month when it began acquiring troubled Savings and loan associations during the Savings and Loan Crisis in 1990. Among the S&L's purchased was Anchor Savings.[3]

LaTour Genealogical Collection 12:13, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

What is the name of the Savings and Loan that Fourth Financial acquired in Oklahoma in order to move into the Oklahoma Market.

In 1990 just as it was approaching the limits it could control in Kansas, legislation permitted it to expand to other states and it began acquiring banks in Oklahoma under the Bank IV Oklahoma subsidiary.[4]

Boatmens acquired it in 1995. At the time it had $8 billion in assets and offices in 80 locations.[5]


LaTour Genealogical Collection 12:42, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia in the news


Wikipedia defies 180,000 demands to remove images of the Prophet

Wikipedia, the free online encyclopaedia, is refusing to remove medieval artistic depictions of the Prophet Muhammad, despite being flooded with complaints from Muslims demanding the images be deleted.

I'm the admin who blocked you, and I didn't do any editing to BOK Financial Corporation. In fact, I haven't looked at your edits to that article or cared about what's gone on there. Please remember that under Wikipedia:Ownership of articles, anyone can edit your contributions at any time. As far as Robert Eugene Thomas is concerned, if he really is your uncle, then you have a conflict of interest in editing the article. You've also been warned several times about uploading copyrighted images. Please read what's been written here, instead of just copy/pasting it. --Elkman (Elkspeak) 18:46, 18 February 2008 (UTC)


LaTour Genealogical Collection 21:56, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

I see that you did not read the information correct. He is my nephew, I am the uncle, he is not my uncle. Also, I am his campaign manager. So therefore I have the right to publish his biography.

  • Not on Wikipedia you don't! No-one has a right to publish anything at all on Wikipedia. Everyone does have a right to comment on articles that have been published including altering them and even asking for them to be deleted. And Wikipedia is very cautious about articles published by people who have a personal interest in the subject. It really is time you familiarised yourself with some basic Wikipedia policies and started following them. andy (talk) 00:05, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Conflict of interest

If you are a close relative of a subject, or his campaign manager, far less both, you have a very strong conflict of interest, and should refrain from creating or editing any articles about him or races, incidents, etc. in which he has been or will be involved. --Orange Mike | Talk 22:09, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Replaceable fair use Image:MBM.jpg

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LaTour Genealogical Collection 08:25, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Help me with this. The image came from a newspaper clipping that I sourced, by nameing the newspaper. I followed the wikipedia's guide for uploading newspaper under fair use of media, so what is wrong with it, I am lost. I followed the templete for loading images.

[edit] More bad editing

I have reverted your recent edits to Patrick Kennedy (1823-1858) - see here. I did this because what you entered appeared to be total nonsense. Patrick Kennedy died in 1858 but you added material claiming he joined the Union Army in 1864. And as a Teamster - is this an army unit?

The most charitable explanation is that you accidentally added this material to the wrong Patrick Kennedy, except Wikipedia doesn't have articles on any other Patrick Kennedy who was aged 25 in 1864. So it seems you are up to your usual tricks, grabbing any material in your archive that might have even the remotest bearing on a subject and just shoving it in regardless.

This is vandalism. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a garbage dump.

Please stop. If you continue to vandalize Wikipedia, you will be blocked from editing.

andy (talk) 09:44, 19 February 2008 (UTC)


LaTour Genealogical Collection 11:34, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Patrick Kennedy (1823-1858)
I moved this to the discussion page, lets talk about it there.


Harrisonlatour (Harrisonlatour--LaTour Genealogical Collection 11:34, 19 February 2008 (UTC)


LaTour Genealogical Collection 09:50, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

I am a genealogist, the information is published with Ancestry.com, one of the nation's largest genealogy banks. You have to pay to access this record. It is locked in the archives.

The Teamsters, known, as the trucking union, Jimmy Hoffa, and other known mod criminals were associated with it.

  • Do you ever listen to what people are saying? You dumped rubbish into the wrong article and it seems like you couldn't care less. I'm not even sure you understand what I'm telling you now. Please, for your own sake, read all the stuff that's written on this Talk page and if you don't understand it then get someone to explain it to you. Slowly. andy (talk) 09:59, 19 February 2008 (UTC)


LaTour Genealogical Collection 10:05, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

The elder Kennedy's mob connections reportedly began during the Prohibition era, when-like the mobsters themselves-Joseph Kennedy made a fortune. Is this not part of the Kennedy history?


LaTour Genealogical Collection 10:12, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

I understand why wikipedia has a problem with the record. The record is a sealed record that is held in a national world wide genealogy date base.

It is records like this that get sealed and locked-up when a president is assassinated.

Ancestr.com, again is a national genealogy base encylopedia.


LaTour Genealogical Collection 10:21, 19 February 2008 (UTC)


LaTour Genealogical Collection 10:51, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

I moved this issue to the discussion page, lets continue there.

LaTour Genealogical Collection 10:51, 19 February 2008 (UTC)


LaTour Genealogical Collection 16:48, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Today in politics, Teamster Boss, Jimmy Hoffa Jr., and the brotherhood backed Barack Obama of President.

The Kennedy's also backed Obama for President


Harrisonlatour | Talk --LaTour Genealogical Collection 16:48, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Source

Military Record -- Ancestry.com

Patrick Kennedy
Residence: Boston, Massachusetts
Occupation: Teamster
Enlistment Date: 08 December 1864
Distinguished Service: DISTINGUISHED SERVICE
Side Served: Union
State Served: Massachusetts
Unit Numbers: 977 977
Service Record: Enlisted as a Private on 08 December 1864 at the age of 25 Enlisted in Company G, 61st Infantry Regiment Massachusetts on 08 December 1864. Mustered out Company G, 61st Infantry Regiment Massachusetts on 16 July 1865 in Washington, DC
Regiment: 61st Infantry Regiment MA
Date Mustered: 16 July 1865
Regiment Type: Infantry
Enlisted Died of Disease or Accident: 1
Officers Died of Disease or Accident: 5
Enlisted Killed or Mortally Wounded: 0
Regimental Soldiers and History: List of Soldiers


LaTour Genealogical Collection 10:33, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Patrick Kennedy, born 1823 married Bridget Murphy, born 1821

[edit] Source

Family History Library, Salt Lake City, UT, Film # 0496864

[edit] Speedy deletion of Beulah Benson Edmondson

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[edit] Beulah Benson Edmondson

You can't put obituary's on Wikipedia. The article is a biography and I have marked it as such. Sting au Buzz Me... 13:37, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Your edit summary usage

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Thank you! I will be the first to admit, I am no editor, but I am a genealogist and historian. I am learning on the way here.


Harrisonlatour LaTour Genealogical Collection 13:56, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Your edits to Bridget Murphy Kennedy

I have reverted these edits because they do not add anything of value to the article and they are confusing. You have obviously just copied and pasted from a web page and you haven't even checked to see that it makes sense. Why did you add the children's ages (twice) when much better information was already in the article? Why did you add your signature into the body of the article when you have been told very clearly that's not what we do? Why did you paste "Value of real estate: View Image" into the article - what on earth do you think that means? What about "Family and neighbors: View Results" - in what way does that gibberish improve the article? Did you not notice that the census information is inconsistent and innacurate about Bridget Murphy Kennedy's age?

If you don't understand how to edit Wikipedia stop doing it!.

Please stop. If you continue to vandalize Wikipedia, you will be blocked from editing. andy (talk) 16:14, 19 February 2008 (UTC)


LaTour Genealogical Collection 16:22, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

I would like to move this to the discussion page. U.S. Federal Census Records are sources.

LaTour Genealogical Collection 16:22, 19 February 2008 (UTC)


LaTour Genealogical Collection 17:06, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

This is
Please stop. If you continue to vandalize Wikipedia, you will be blocked from editing.
How can someone who is born in 1824, be the mother someone who is born in 1967

Bridget Murphy (1824-December 20, 1888) was the wife of Patrick Kennedy, the mother of Patrick J. Kennedy,

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[edit] Speedy deletion of St. Anthony's Catholic Church

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[edit] Promotional link for your relative

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LaTour Genealogical Collection 00:52, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

The photo is a church document.


Harrisonlatour | Talk --LaTour Genealogical Collection 00:52, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Speedy deletion of Jacob Mackey Dunham

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[edit] Yet more irrelevant material

Why did you add a link to John Tyler Hammons which had nothing to do with the article? It was about a court case that took place before he was born. If there was any connection with John Tyler Hammons you should have made it clear in the article.

This is a final warning. If you continue to add irrelevant material I was ask for you to be blocked from Wikipedia again. andy (talk) 10:22, 23 February 2008 (UTC)


This page is up for deletion.


--LaTour Genealogical Collection 14:31, 23 February 2008 (UTC)


LaTour Genealogical Collection 14:34, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

This individual is running for mayor of the City of Muskogee, my hometown, born and raised. His family sued the City of Muskogee and Muskogee Regional Medical Center, for a wrongful death claim, and yet he is still running for Mayor.

[edit] Your edits to Ed Edmondson (U.S. politician)

I have rewritten your recent changes to this article. Please look at what I've done. You must stop thinking that dumping archive material into an article constitutes an edit because it doesn't. The way I have done it is the correct way to add this sort of information.

  • An article does not normally contain primary source material.
  • An article is a digest, not an archive.

Please do it like this in future or your edits will continue to be removed. andy (talk) 12:33, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Okay, how do you get the little footnote triange to appear. Why was the part removed about the renaming of the federal court house to his name removed?

Harrisonlatour | Talk --LaTour Genealogical Collection 13:16, 24 February 2008 (UTC)



Okay, I see that link and were it went to. I can deal with that, but I still would like to add move information about him and his family.


Harrisonlatour | Talk LaTour Genealogical Collection 13:20, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

You have requested on the talk page that the article, Ed Edmondson (U.S. politician), be protected. I see no need for protection at this time. If you disagee with this assessment, you may request protection at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection. Dsmdgold (talk) 22:01, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
I note that you requested that this page be blocked after another user rewrote one of your contributions. The contribution you made seemed to be text dump of a legislative action. Although the fact that the courthouse was named for MR Edmondson is an aproprieate inclusion in the article, inclusion of raw source material should not be done in articles. You have been warned several times about this. Do not do it again or you will be blocked from editing. Dsmdgold (talk) 22:24, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Notability of Lufroy Pierre-Auguste

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[edit] Promotional material

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[edit] February 2008

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[edit] Fair use image problems

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—

Yes, it is a newspaper article about Judge John Robert Thomas's court room, published by the Muskogee Times-Democrat & Phoenix newspaper.

It is a cover or other page from a book, DVD, newspaper, magazine, or other such source.

This image is of a scan of a newspaper page or article, and the copyright for it is most likely owned by either the publisher of the newspaper or the individual contributors who worked on the articles or images depicted. It is believed that the use of low-resolution images of newspaper pages.

These are wikipedia's guidelines for uploading this particular source.

Harrisonlatour | Talk LaTour Genealogical Collection 16:25, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

  • No, they're only part of the guidelines. There's a lot more, including whether there are alternatives (which there probably are) and whether the image is essential to the article (which is certainly isn't) and whether it contains a lot of readable text (which it does) and so on and so on... andy (talk) 17:13, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Early Muskogee Court -- This is photograph of what is to believe the early court room of Judge John R. Thomas, a former congressman from Illinois who was appointed federal judge at large for Indian Territory in 1897. The only person indentified is the large man with a mustache standing directly before the judges bench. He is John Doyle, bailiff.

The above statement is in the picture.

Harrisonlatour | Talk LaTour Genealogical Collection 17:52, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Your edits to December 28, 2004

I removed the silly mention of your nephew being blown off a couch by the force of the explosion. Don't you think that two people dying is rather more important? andy (talk) 23:05, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

You removed information to a possible connection to this MUSKOGEE, Okla. (AP) - A Muskogee mayoral candidate has been booked into jail on accusations of making bomb threats. Robert Eugene Thomas.

Sorry, but John Hammons is not my nephew, he is the opponent of my nephew, who is running for the April 1 mayoral election in Muskogee.

An explosion at a scrap metal plant in Muskogee Tuesday evening has heavily damaged the facility and damaged homes and businesses nearby.

Witnesses say the explosion shortly after 8 PM, sounded like a bomb. Muskogee Police are in the process of securing the area around the Yaffe Iron and Metals Company plant.

"I was sitting on the couch and it blew me off the couch," said John Hammons, who lives near the plant.

Nearly an hour after the blast, the fire continued and heavy black smoke poured from the plant.

Harrisonlatour | Talk LaTour Genealogical Collection 23:10, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

  • So let's get this right: You have been blocked TWICE for edits that promote your nephew and here you are doing the same thing again? Do you really want to face a very long ban from Wikipedia? Well, just carry on then. andy (talk) 00:07, 5 March 2008 (UTC)


--LaTour Genealogical Collection 00:58, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

The person mentioned in this news article is not my nephew. There is nothing in this news article that promotes my nephew, Robert Eugene Thomas or a mayoral election. It is a news article about an explosion that John Hammons was interviewed by the news, again, John Hammons is not my nephew.

An explosion at a scrap metal plant in Muskogee Tuesday evening has heavily damaged the facility and damaged homes and businesses nearby.

Witnesses say the explosion shortly after 8 PM, sounded like a bomb. Muskogee Police are in the process of securing the area around the Yaffe Iron and Metals Company plant.

"I was sitting on the couch and it blew me off the couch," said John Hammons, who lives near the plant.

Harrisonlatour | Talk--LaTour Genealogical Collection 00:58, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

So why is it important that one person reported that he was blown off the couch? Are you really having fun with this tendentious editing that you're doing here? --Elkman (Elkspeak) 01:18, 5 March 2008 (UTC)


--LaTour Genealogical Collection 01:26, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

This is what the article says on wikipedia. I added a person who was interviewed.

  • An explosion at a scrap metal plant in Muskogee, Oklahoma, USA, explodes killing two workers. The blast is felt about 50 miles away. The company is later fined for workplace violations[1][2]. "I was sitting on the couch and it blew me off the couch," said John Hammons, who lives near the plant.


  • Also, I would like to say, "This person, John Tyler Hammons, had a wikipedia page, in which I complained about, and it was deleted.


Harrisonlatour | Talk --LaTour Genealogical Collection 01:34, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I know you added that. I can read through the edit history. Everyone can. The question is: Why is it important to have the account of John Hammons in this article? ANSWER THE QUESTION ALREADY. --Elkman (Elkspeak) 01:37, 5 March 2008 (UTC)


  • I did not write the article about the explosion. John Hammons was the only one that appeared as an interviewee on the subject. It would be the same if you or I was the interviewee. Put your name or my name in place of John Hammons and you still have the same article.


Harrisonlatour | Talk LaTour Genealogical Collection 02:18, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Two missing, four hurt in plant blast
12/28/2004, 11:55 p.m. ET
By CLAYTON BELLAMY
The Associated Press

MUSKOGEE, Okla. (AP) — A scrap metal plant in eastern Oklahoma exploded Tuesday evening, sending fiery debris into the air and blowing out windows of nearby homes.

Two people working at the Yaffe Iron and Metals plant at the time remained unaccounted for, and at least four people were injured by flying debris, officials said.

Debris from the plant was tossed up to 10 blocks away and a nearby shopping center was damaged, said Michelann Ooten, a spokeswoman for the Oklahoma Department of Emergency Management.

Witnesses said the explosion at about 8 p.m. sounded like a bomb and the blast could be felt in the next county, about 30 miles away.

"I was sitting on the couch and it blew me off the couch," said John Hammons, who lives near the plant.

Nearly an hour after the blast, the fire continued and heavy black smoke poured from the plant.

Residents nearest the plant were evacuated. Others farther away were told to stay in their homes and avoid breathing the smoke, which was not believed to be toxic.


Harrisonlatour | Talk LaTour Genealogical Collection 02:51, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Apparently, I'm wasting my time talking to you about this. I asked you about the importance of having John Hammons' name mentioned, and you can't answer the question -- all you can do is recap the news report. I give up. --Elkman (Elkspeak) 03:43, 5 March 2008 (UTC)


  • The importance of having John Hammons name mentioned is, "I believe there is a parallel connection between this explosion or a bomb and Mayoral Candidate Accused Of Bomb Threats. John Hammons is a mayoral candidate for the City of Muskogee.

Harrisonlatour | Talk LaTour Genealogical Collection 01:12, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

  • Are you accusing John Hammons of having bombed the scrap metal plant? Is that what you mean? andy (talk) 07:21, 6 March 2008 (UTC)


  • I was taught to never accuse or judge, but to investigate. All I can say is that this person has two explosive events involving an bomb or an explosion.


John Tyler Hammons Family - Mayor For The City of Muskogee


Hammons v. Muskogee Medical Center Authority
1985 OK 22
697 P.2d 539
Case Number: 59794
Decided: 03/19/1985
Supreme Court of Oklahoma

Cite as: 1985 OK 22, 697 P.2d 539


GRACIE I. HAMMONS, ADMINISTRATRIX OF THE ESTATE OF WILLIAM TROY HAMMONS, DECEASED, APPELLANT, v. MUSKOGEE MEDICAL CENTER AUTHORITY D/B/A MUSKOGEE GENERAL HOSPITAL, A PUBLIC TRUST, APPELLEE.

Appeal from the District Court, Muskogee County; Hardy Summers, Trial Judge.

¶0 This is an appeal from entry of summary judgment in favor of the appellee-hospital after the trial court determined that an amendment to the Political Subdivision Tort Claims Act, 51 O.S. 1979 Supp. § 152 (6)(d) should be applied retroactively. Because a substantive rather than a procedural matter is involved, the trial court erred by applying the definition retrospectively.

REVERSED AND REMANDED.

Kennedy, Kennedy, Wright & Stout by Weldon Stout, Muskogee, for appellant.

Studney & Barkley by Mike Barkley, and Dan W. Ernst, Tulsa, for appellee.

KAUGER, Justice.


Harrisonlatour | Talk LaTour Genealogical Collection 09:47, 6 March 2008 (UTC)


  • Surely you realise that if, for your own political reasons, you state - or even hint - that someone is involved in bombings you will probably be banned from Wikipedia for ever. (Of course if you say this in the street you face a massive lawsuit or even prison). So, please, be very, very careful how you proceed. andy (talk) 20:23, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

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The picture was posted on the article about La Tour-Blanche, Bergerac, France, and someone removed it.

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This is the second time you have tried to upload this copyrighted image. It was previously deleted because you have not been able to justify its use, and this case seems no different andy (talk) 09:37, 15 March 2008 (UTC)


That is not a copyright image, the KOTV news does not own the copyright to an existing building. The building is a picture of the Dawes Commission. What if I load it under fair use of existing buildings, will that work?

Harrisonlatour | Talk--LaTour Genealogical Collection 12:54, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

  • Anyone who takes a photo or a video owns the copyright in it no matter what it's an image of, except under a few very limited circumstances. You cannot use someone else's material without a good reason. You should take your own photo or find a public domain source. andy (talk) 13:05, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

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These were your words,

"Anyone who takes a photo or a video owns the copyright in it no matter what it's an image of, except under a few very limited circumstances. You cannot use someone else's material without a good reason. You should take your own photo or find a public domain source. andy (talk) 13:05, 15 March 2008 (UTC) "


Well, I found a public domain source, so what is the problem now?

Harrisonlatour (Talk) LaTour Genealogical Collection 04:11, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

  • Who says it's public domain? It's taken (without permission) from a book that is definitely still in copyright. There's no date on the image so it's quite possible that the original is still in copyright and even if it's not you copied someone else's reproduction of it. Do your own work, stop taking other people's work. andy (talk) 07:43, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Non-free use disputed for Image:KlanPaper.jpg

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This image is of a scan of a newspaper page or article, and the copyright for it is most likely owned by either the publisher of the newspaper or the individual contributors who worked on the articles or images depicted. It is believed that the use of low-resolution images of newspaper pages

I attached to picture to the following article about the Ku Klux Klan. It is an article that was published in the Daily Oklahoman Newspaper about the Oklahoma Ku Klux Klan and how they controlled Oklahoma politics. Fair use under newspaper articles.

The KKK controlled Southern legislatures and the governments of Tennessee, Indiana, Oklahoma, and Oregon. In Indiana, Republican Klansman Edward Jackson was elected governor in 1924. In another well-known example from the same year, the Klan decided to make Anaheim, California, into a model Klan city; it secretly took over the city council but was voted out in a special recall election.[56]

Harrisonlatour | Talk--LaTour Genealogical Collection 03:53, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

  • Read United States copyright law#Duration of copyright. This is a copy of a newspaper article that is clearly still in copyright. You have not supplied an adequate reason for using it in the article under the fair use rules. You have not completed the fair use template, which asks among other things if there's a suitable public domain image. You have not stated why the use of this image is essential to the article. andy (talk) 07:39, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Disputed fair use rationale for Image:OklahomaCounty1.jpg

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Since this photograph was taken before 1923, it may be in public domain. If you can demonstrate that it was published before 1923 it is in public domain. However, only the photo itself would be in public domain. The surrounding material, including the caption will be copyrighted to the newspaper that published the photo. This image would have to be cropped so as to include only the photograph. Since the photo represents a unique historical event that cannot be reproduced, it can be used with fair use criteria in a limited number of articles. Your rationale must be quite specific to that article in question though. It would be best if you found a copy somewhere other that a newspaper though. You might try contacting the Oklahoma Historical Society. Dsmdgold (talk) 13:30, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

  • The reproduction in the newspaper is quite possibly a fairly recent derivate work because it has been edited and processed, and third parties may therefore not have the right to copy it. (The Oklahoman online archives says that material is for personal use only, and this could well apply to the clipping). You should use the original photo in order to avoid being challenged. andy (talk) 14:55, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
    • You may be right, although I'm not certain that processing in order to "clean-up" a PD photo would qualify for a new copyright. The material surrounding the photo (e.g. the caption) is without doubt copyrighted. In either case, it is best not to use photos scanned from newspapers because the quality sucks. Dsmdgold (talk) 13:41, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

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This picture is not Orphaned, The Fite & Rowsey Block, Muskogee, Oklahoma was the name of the building that housed the Dawes Commission. Again this is the name of a building, not a government Indian agency.

The American Dawes Commission, named for its first chairman Henry L. Dawes, was authorized under a rider to an Indian Office appropriation bill, March 3, 1893. Its purpose was to convince the Five Civilized Tribes to agree to cede tribal title of Indian lands under an allotment process to the individual Indian, enacted in 1887 (See Dawes Act for other tribes). In November 1893, President Grover Cleveland appointed Dawes as chairman, and Meridith H. Kidd and Archibald S. McKennon as members.


Harrisonlatour (Talk) LaTour Genealogical Collection 19:26, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Arthur C. Trumbo

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New York Times Archives

FARMERS LOSE $250,000,000.; Trumbo Says Good Roads Would Save That Much in Transportation.

August 23, 1912, Friday

Page 10, 322 words

DENVER, Aug. 22 -- A.C. Trumbo of Muskogee, Okla., President of the Trans-Mississippi Congress, which meets in Salt Lake City next week, declared to-day while in Denver that the producers of agricultural products in America lost annually $250,000,000 through cost of transportation.


Harrisonlatour (Talk) LaTour Genealogical Collection 18:58, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Francois Allain of Brittany

When a user tags an article for deletion it is customary for them to also leave a note on the primary author's talk page to this effect. Looking at your talk page it does not appear that this was done in the case of Francois Allain of Brittany and I can only apologise on behalf of the original tagger. Kind regards, nancy (talk) 16:41, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Notability of Francois Allain of Brittany

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Pt. Coupee Militia, 1777 Soldiers of the American Revolution from Louisiana

Soldiers under Galvez, Baton Rouge

The following soldiers were part of the Pointe Coupee Militia, documented in Galvez' Army in 1777. It is interesting to note that these soldiers, many of French birth (or the children of French parentage) were serving in a Spanish army, and are elligble for status as American Revolution Veterans. This is because the Spanish assisted the U.S. in military action at Baton Rouge against the British during the Revolution.

Plaque of Galvez in Natchez

In 1779 Spain entered the Revolutionary War (1775-83) on the side of the Americans, or more accurately, it entered the war against the British. Spanish Governor Bernaldo de Galvez raised a patchwork army of Creoles, Indians, free African Americans and his own Spanish regulars and marched on and seized British-held forts at Baton Rouge then at Natchez. A British counterattack failed, and in May, 1781 he engaged the British at Mobile, and a year after that at Pensacola, in western Florida, the last British military post on the Gulf. In each case, Galvez was able to force the British from their entrenchments. These victories diluted British strength in the south when Great Britain needed it most---just as it was bringing the campaign into the southern colonies. For his heroics, Galvez was memorialized in Texas, where the city of Galveston honors him with its name.

The war ended in 1783 with British recognition of American independence at the Treaty of Paris. The western border of the United States was set at the Mississippi, but in a separate peace agreement, the British ceded Western Florida (southern Alabama and Mississippi) and returned Eastern Florida to Spain.

These Colonial Militia groups of Louisiana were the forerunner of today's Louisiana National Guard.

The Pointe Coupee Chapter of the Louisiana Society of the D.A.R. honored these soldiers in ceremonies as part of the nation's Bicentennial on May 16, 1976. A plaque hangs in the lobby of the Pointe Coupee Courthouse which lists these soldiers. Additional information was added by myself in parentheses. The plaque reads:

Militia at the post of Pointe Coupee under the command of Carlos de Grand Pre captured English posts on Thompson's Creek and the Amite. Later under Bernardo de Galvez captured Fort Manchac and Fort Richmond 1779

OFFICERS ALLAIN, Jean Francois, Sr, Captain

ALLAIN, Jean Francois, Jr., lieutenant

BORDELON, Antoine, aid major


GALVEZ and OTHER LOUISIANA PATRIOTS, contains brief history of the American Revoltion in Louisina, and lists about 2,000 Spanish Militia from Louisina, whose descendants are elligble to join SAR or DAR. More information can be obtained from:


Harrisonlatour (Talk) LaTour Genealogical Collection 15:27, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Arthur C. Trumbo

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[edit] ANI

Hey, just in case if you're wondering, or if you have any interest, there's some talk about you at ANI. BoL (Talk) 01:49, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Geneology

Are you just using Wikipedia to host your geneology?—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 04:56, 24 March 2008 (UTC)


No, the genealogy is just part of LaTour Genealogical Collection. A lot of historical information has been left out of history. As as genealogist, I see this, because of the family tree.

I see a lot of wikipedia articles that begin in the middle of historical people and events, most of my edits or articles are about the beginning.

Here is an article that I edited, tell me, what part did I add?

Claude de Saint-Étienne de la Tour



BIOLOGICAL-Genealogical primarily indicates biological relationship; BLOOD-BASED KINSHIP, ancestral heredity. Such relationships exist between peoples mention. Establishing the presence is in part found upon showing actual physical/hereditary connections (THE FAMILY TREE) between ancient ancestors and their descendants.

Their are two type of genealogies found in ancient literature. The LINEAR genealogy gives a single (1) line of descent from an ancestor. The SEGMENTED genealogy, of which Genesis 10 is one, describes more than one (1) line of descent from an ancestor. It was used for different purposes including POLITICAL, LEGAL, DOMESTIC AND RELIGIOUS purposes. It emphasized group interrelations over against individual relationships.


Harrisonlatour (Talk) LaTour Genealogical Collection 05:16, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Are the members of the "LaTour Genealogical Collection" notable for encyclopedic coverage as say Charles de Gaulle or Marcus Aurelius? Wikipedia is not a venue for you to host members of a genealogical collection that you have compiled.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 05:35, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Widely regarded as the best eyewitness account of the Battle of New Orleans, Arsène LaCarrière Latour’s Historical Memoir records first-hand the dramatic events of the climactic military campaign of the War of 1812. This revised and expanded edition includes a substantial new biographical introduction based on a group of manuscripts relating to the battle recently acquired from Latour’s descendants in France.

Only months after the battle ended, Latour, who was General Andrew Jackson’s principal army engineer, began interviewing witnesses and key participants in order to create a comprehensive record based on first-hand accounts. The work’s most significant value derives from these accounts--of numerous individuals who participated in a crucial moment in the history of the United States-- reproduced in the book’s appendix.

As the first full-length treatment of the New Orleans campaign, the book also offers perceptive analysis of battle preparations, terrain, and strategy by the man who designed many of the American defenses.

This new edition also includes nine three-color foldout maps illustrating the course of the battle. Latour characterized it as a conflict "which preserved our country from conquest and desolation." As a key figure in the conflict who knew many of the other main actors and personally collected their reports and observations, Latour provides a record which will never be replaced.


Harrisonlatour (Talk) LaTour Genealogical Collection 05:40, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Give me something that isn't a promotional claptrap, please. I don't need the preface to the book you've compiled. If you're here to promote that book and your geneaological records, then Wikipedia is not the site for you.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 05:43, 24 March 2008 (UTC)


Latour, who was General Andrew Jackson principal army engineer.

My LaTour Family ancestrial home is on tha National Register of Historic Places


    The LaTour House is locally significant in the area of architecture as an early and important structure within the context of Evangeline Parish.

    Evangeline, once the northwestern part of Imperial St. Landry Parish, broke off to form its own parish unit in 1910. According to the historical record, settlement began in the late eighteenth century, and by the mid-nineteenth century the area was fairly well populated. Ville Platte (where the LaTour House is located) was incorporated in 1858 and is the parish's oldest town. Little is known of Evangeline's early architecture, but presumably there was the usual mix of Creole structures and structures combining Creole and American features such as the LaTour House. This, of course, was the typical architectural pattern for French parishes during the period 1820 to 1860.


Harrisonlatour (Talk) LaTour Genealogical Collection 05:54, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Please stop. If you continue to promote your work here, you may be blocked for disruption...right? BoL (Talk) 05:57, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
Please stop copying and pasting, Mr. LaTour. It creates copyright violations and will end up being deleted. Tell me in your own words why you feel it is necessary to add biographies of individuals who are only mentioned in your genealogical files to Wikipedia. If you are here just to promote your compilations, then you are in the wrong place.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 05:59, 24 March 2008 (UTC)


I dont't promote my work here, wikipedia has promoted my work.

You cannot use Wikipedia as a method to do so.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 07:41, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Example

Lawsuit citation, as Bank Receiver L.R. Kershaw

http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/l/a/t/Harrison-L-La-tour/FILE/0012text.txt


Harrisonlatour (Talk) LaTour Genealogical Collection 06:06, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Block

It is quite clear that you do not realize what Wikipedia is for.

From the few contributions I've seen tonight, you either are using your own original research into the biographies of these individuals or you are externally linking to content that you created on other websites that is solely an image. You have been extensively writing about subjects from your own genealogy which in most cases has no place at all on Wikipedia. You also seem to not realize the extent of copyright violation, as most of your contributions are direct copy-pastes from other sources.

If you cannot realize the true use and goals of Wikipedia, you will remain blocked. If you wish to contest this block, you may do so through {{unblock|Your reason here}}.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 08:02, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Boston E. Thomas was an article that I contribute, so why are you erasing data that was contibuted and allowed?


Harrisonlatour (Talk) LaTour Genealogical Collection 13:19, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] LaTour Genealogical Collection wikipedia contributions

The following pages at wikipedia were blank articles until LaTour Genealogical Collection got involved.



I'm sure there are others, but these are the ones off the top of my thought.


Harrisonlatour (Talk) LaTour Genealogical Collection 15:29, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

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Cultural bias and racism at wikipedia. Boston E. Thomas was an important historical African-American. He was the first black in Oklahoma to obtain a pharmaceutical license, and he is in the Pharmaceutical Hall of Fame.


Harrisonlatour (Talk) LaTour Genealogical Collection 15:32, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

  • Nope - yet again you took someone else's work without their permission. If only you had stuck to the rules, written your own material instead of taking what isn't yours, and exercised discretion in your editing, you would probably not have been permanently banned from Wikipedia. andy (talk) 16:05, 25 March 2008 (UTC)


Nope, you are wrong sir, and I knew it was you. The orginal article was written by me, then re-edited by a wikipedia editor. I provided the newspaper article as a reference.

Just to let you know, you can't change history, you can only cover it up.


Harrisonlatour (Talk) LaTour Genealogical Collection 16:25, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

But it's possible to cite your sources and to give them credit without copying them directly. See Wikipedia:Citing sources for details. As an example, when I put together the Peavey-Haglin Experimental Concrete Grain Elevator article, I cited my sources without copying them. And when I mentioned that the DeSoto Bridge in St. Cloud was closed, I provided a link to the newspaper article in question. It's not a matter of racism or changing history or anything like that -- it's a matter of citing sources and respecting copyright. You can provide a reference to the newspaper article, stating the name of the paper, the title of the article, the date when it was published, and the name of the writer (where available). You can't just scan in a copy of the article, because that's where the copyright violation occurs. Please reread Wikipedia:Copyrights. --Elkman (Elkspeak) 17:06, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

I like how you can to the defense of Andy. The article has been a wikipedia page since Feb. 28, 2008, is when the last person who edited the article, and they taged it, because it did not have any references or sources.

The article was erased from wikipedia, just yesterday. If I would not have posted that I wrote the article, it would still be on line with wikipedia.

This is not the only article that has been messed with, since I am not allowed to edited anymore. I supplied a court document on the Jake Simmons Jr. article, and it also has been taken off.

So, please, don't try to come to the defense of a prejudice person.


Harrisonlatour (Talk) LaTour Genealogical Collection 04:00, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

READ THE POLICIES ABOUT COPYRIGHTS ALREADY. That's all we're asking for. What part of the concepts of copyrights and notability are you having problems with? This has NOTHING to do with prejudice, or race, or any other allegations you're making -- it has everything to do with the fact that we're creating an encyclopedia here. To do so, this encyclopedia has set standards of notability, and it has established the policy that copyrights must be followed. --Elkman (Elkspeak) 13:26, 26 March 2008 (UTC)


  • Again there was not a problem with this article until two days ago. The Boston E. Thomas article has been on line since Feb. 28, 2008, was the last excepted edited done on this article. This article did not have a copyright issue. The article was tagged, because it did not sight any refereces or sources, not because of a copyright issue.

Now that I am not allowed to edited, my contributions that with the help of some wikipedia editors, are now being deleted.


Harrisonlatour (Talk) LaTour Genealogical Collection 13:43, 26 March 2008 (UTC)


See, you are tring to cover for Andy, that is so sad. Andy is tring to cover his tracks by erasing the data.

Hey, just in case if you're wondering, or if you have any interest, there's some talk about you at ANI. BoL (Talk) 01:49, 24 March 2008 (UTC).

He even erased the ANI information that he posted asking for help.

So don't tell me about prejudice. I noticed Andy has not spoken a word since.


Harrisonlatour (Talk) LaTour Genealogical Collection 14:01, 26 March 2008 (UTC)



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Boston E. Thomas article was deleted March 24, 2008, almost a full month later.

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Harrisonlatour (Talk) LaTour Genealogical Collection 15:47, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Claude de Saint-Étienne de la Tour

Claude de Saint-Étienne de la Tour


Here is another example of the prejudice that someone has done at wikipedia.

Again, you can't change history, you can only cover it up.

This person was part of the French monarch ancestry. I showed a self-made coat of arms picture and links to the royal house that he belonged to, House of la Tour d'Auvergne.


There was one of these Acadian families, about who protestant antecedents there can be no question, and which was destined to take a prominent part in the history of the colony. Its founder was Claude de St. Elienne, sieur de la Tour. He is said to have been allied to the nobel, House of Bouillon. About the year 1609 he came a widower, with his son Charles, then a boy of fourteen (14), to Port Royal, for purposes of trade, having lost the greater part of his estates in the Wars of Religion.


Harrisonlatour (Talk) LaTour Genealogical Collection 04:38, 26 March 2008 (UTC)


John III of Auvergne (1467 – March 28, 1501), Count of Auvergne, was the son of Bertrand VI of Auvergne and Louise de La Tremoille (1432 –April 10, 1474), Dame de Boussac, the daughter of Georges de la Trémoille. He was the last in the line of Counts of Auvergne and Boulogne from the La Tour d'Auvergne family.


It is one thing to be prejudice, but to be stupid towards history is immoral


immoral Related Forms im·mor′·ally adverb

unethical, sinful, corrupt, shameless; see dishonest 2, wicked 1, wrong 1.



Harrisonlatour (Talk) LaTour Genealogical Collection 05:09, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Final word

For what little it's worth - because I know you have difficulty understanding what people tell you about Wikipedia - a few more people than me have wasted time on you. Forty more, to be precise:

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Plus a few robots.

You might take the time to think back through the sad list of wasted effort that this Talk page reveals. Maybe get someone to try to explain it to you. I have no idea why any of us bothered once your pattern of behaviour became apparent, but we did bother. Perhaps we cared. Not any more. andy (talk) 15:03, 26 March 2008 (UTC)


  • You think that wikipedia is the only means of LaTour Genealogical Collection publishing. Wikipedia has used Harrison Thomas as a reference source to certain articles. FYI, I am Harrison Thomas LaTour. So what you are not seeing is that LaTour Genealogical Collection is a reference tool to wikipedia and millions of other genealogy and historical information on the web. If you don't believe me, just Google, LaTour Genealogical Collection.



Harrisonlatour (Talk) LaTour Genealogical Collection 15:24, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Image copyright problem with Image:Severs.jpg

Image Copyright problem

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[edit] Image copyright problem with Image:LaTourHomerBaptismRecord.JPG

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