User talk:Hardindr

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[edit] User:Cberlet and Lyndon LaRouche Controversy

Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did to User:Cberlet. Your edits appear to constitute vandalism and have been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you.
Gonzo fan2007 talk ♦ contribs 01:34, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

I removed those comments because it is not your user page to edit and the statements are controversial. You should not edit others User pages unless it is beneficial to the page (i.e. formatting). Adding content to someone else's page makes it look like they wrote it and is frowned upon here. Hope this helps.
Gonzo fan2007 talk ♦ contribs 01:53, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
You have not explained why this is "vandalism". I have just restored what user Cberlet has written and that another user reversed. They are Cberlet's words, not mine. Again, please explain why this is "vandalism", or why the charges are "controversial". They are backed up easily by mainstream, published sources, please see here [1] for some published on WikiPedia. --Hardindr 02:03, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Vandalism states that vandalism can be "[e]diting other users' comments to substantially change their meaning." This is why it is vandalism. Since the user has edited since my revert I will not pursue anything. Just watch out because adding content to other's user pages usually signifies vandalism. Good luck editing!
Gonzo fan2007 talk ♦ contribs 02:44, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
I did not "substantially change" user Cberlet's page, that was done by another editor. I simply restored what user Cberlet had written about Lyndon LaRouche. The other user (User:Thatcher131) did the vandalism, not me. This can be seen by looking at the page's history [2]. If you are going to make accusations, please get your facts right. --Hardindr 10:47, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
Blocked: Indefinitely for trolling. The policy on biographies of living people covers all Wikipedia space, not just articles. The portion of the statement that I removed violated the policy on unsourced statements that disparaged a living person. Since you have no obvious stake in the debate, I believe you are a single-purpose account set up for the purpose of trolling, and I have blocked your account indefintely. Thatcher131 12:23, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
I take umbrage at your description of me as a troll. I am not a troll, but someone who is interested in contributing to Wikipedia. Lyndon LaRouche is not being "disparaged" when he is descrbed as a "notorious antisemite, sexist, and homophobe", he is being described accurately with information taken from mainsteam, published sources. That administrators working in Wikipedia do not understand this is very sad. I intend to contest your indefinite block. --Hardindr 21:06, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
  • You should be aware that there is a vast difference, both in law and in Wikipedia policies, between saying "Mr. Thatcher is a racist homophobe" and saying, "A 1989 New York Times article quoted two of Mr. Thatcher's former associates as saying they would never have worked for him had they known of his racist and antisemitic fews." One formula puts it in your words, the other formula reports what a reliable source said.
By your reasoning, Adolph Hitler could not be described on Wikipedia as an antisemite, nor Jerry Falwell as a homophobe, nor Bull Connor as a racist. Are you afraid that Lyndon LaRouche and his cronies will engage in a SLAPP against Wikipedia if he is described accurately? Have you no courage? --Hardindr 22:53, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
  • As far as contesting your block, be my guest. I'm certain that any admin who reviews it will give full consideration to the fact that your very first edit was to revert a change to Cberlet's user page at a time when very few people knew I had made the change, and will conclude as I have that you are either a sockpuppet of another user or you were recruited here by Mr. Berlet, and don't really have much interest in adding infomation about Mr. LARouche under the BLP, NPOV, and RS policies. Thatcher131 21:59, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
I am not a troll, sockpuppet or proxy for anyone. I am editing wikipedia because I want it to contain accurate information. User:Gonzo_fan2007 is the one who has engaged in vandalism by removing User:Cberlet's accurate description of Lyndon LaRouche from his user page. If your condescending attitude is typical of administrators, that does not bode well for wikipedia. I have sent you an email asking to have my band lifted, as the Wikipedia:Block page instructed. Please tell me what I have to do now to move this to the next step. --Hardindr 22:53, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
Contrary to User:Marvin_Diode's assertion [3], I am not a sockpuppet of User:Cberlet. I kindly ask that he retract his unfounded and baseless assertion immediately. --Hardindr 00:53, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
Contrary to User:Thatcher131's assertion [4], I am not a "recruit" of User:Cberlet or anyone else. I started editing wikipedia without any prompoting from other users to help make it better and ensure that it contains accurate information. I kindly ask that he retract his unfounded and baseless assertion immediately. --Hardindr 12:42, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Appeal of Indefinite Block

This blocked user (block log | autoblocks | rangeblocks | unblock | contribs | deleted contribs) has asked to be unblocked, but an administrator has reviewed and declined this request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy). Do not remove this unblock request while you are blocked.

Request reason: "I am not a troll, sockpuppet or proxy as alleged by User:Thatcher131. I am only interested in making sure that wikipedia contains accurate information. I have not engaged in vandalism on User:Cberlet's user page, that was done by User:Gonzo_fan2007 who removed Cberlet's accurate description of Lyndon LaRouche based on mainstream, published sources. --Hardindr 23:13, 12 October 2007 (UTC)"

Decline reason: "Blatant violations of WP:BLP. Have you read BLP? — Yamla 23:47, 12 October 2007 (UTC)"

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[edit] Appeal of Indefinite Block to Arbitration Committee

I am appealing this indefinite block to the Arbitration Committee. I am emailing clerk User:Newyorkbrad to make a formal request. --Hardindr 00:26, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Here is the text of my email request to clerk User:Newyorkbrad:

Sir:

I am writing you to request an appeal to the Arbitration Committee for an indefinite block that has been imposed on me by User:Thatcher131 and reaffirmed by User:Yamla for "vandalism" and "trolling". Please see my talk page for details. The issue centers around whether I committed vandalism and violated wikipedia's BLP policy by restoring a description of the political views held by Lyndon LaRouche that User:Cberlet put on his user page [5]. I contend that the description is an accurate one of Lyndon LaRouche's political views and that it is supported by mainstream, published sources, many of which are cited on wikipedia itself (i.e. Views_of_Lyndon_LaRouche and Lyndon_LaRouche). I contend that my banning was capricious and without any merit.

Thank you in advance for you time.

Sincerely,

Hardindr

--Hardindr 11:44, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

We have your appeal, please continue to communicate with the Arbitration Committee by email. Fred Bauder 01:59, 14 October 2007 (UTC)