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[edit] Charecters?
I suppose that now this is created and the basics are done, we can go into smaller details. With a franchise article, I saw another one at Sailor Moon. In there, they have a small caption for each of the main charecters, in this case we would have 5. Would we want to consider adding one in, or no?—Preceding unsigned comment added by Sbloemeke (talk • contribs)
- Yeah, I suppose we could do that. How about transcluding the SOS Brigade section from List of characters in the Haruhi Suzumiya series and we could expand them a bit if needed.--十八 01:35, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
- Agreed. Do we transcribe them or cut them out of the list and put them in here? It would change the list into a list of secondary charecters.Sbloemeke 01:46, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] GA Workings...
So, I did a little research into other Good Articles of franchises, and here is what I found. First off, we need a section entitled "Plot". It just is for the basic overview of everything, basically the concepts of the story. In this case it would be that the story is about five kids who create a club centered around Haruhi which is also host to a meriad of people such as Time Travelers, Aliens, and Espers. This should not get into the specifics (SPOILER: Something like Asakura Ryouko tries to kill Kyon is NOT what needs to be in.) Individual plot elements are too specific.
I also noticed that absolutely no article has what we have, which is the series concepts. For instance, Kanon has no section devoted on Fox-Humans, and Sailor Moon has no sections on any of the antagonistic societies not of the inner scouts/outer scouts/starlights. Each of those is also an organization.
Most GA level articles seemed to have 3 main section. Plot, Charecters, and Adaptations. They also all seemed to have a very sizable lead. So, my opinion is that to make it into a GA article, that is what we need to do. What are your opinions on this? Sbloemeke 19:41, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
- I agree that an overview of the plot is needed and would be right for inclusion. As for the series concepts, I believe those have to stay. The Kanon and Sailor Moon articles you mentioned are very broad in their scope, so they are best kept focused on the main material without going into unnecessary details (I believe this is a criterian of GA/FA articles). This article is about the specific Haruhi Suzumiya franchise, and those details cannot rightfully go anywhere else. The only other alternative would be to delete them, but then other series like Naruto and Bleach have entire articles on the ninja villages, and Soul Society which are relevevnt to the series themselves. The series concepts in this article are not large enough for their own article, so they are kept here. I suppose we could create a Series concepts in the Haruhi Suzumiya series if needed, but I would be against that for right now.--十八 22:18, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
- What about Organizations of Haruhi Suzumiya? Technically, each entity could work as stand alone articles, but that would require a ton of work on all of our parts.
- In my opinion, the organization would best work as Lead, Plot Overview, Charecters, Novels/Adaptations. This would allow a general introduction, quick knowledge of what the series is, details on the players, and then showing how it's been distributed. To me, it's the most logical flow.
- The organizations just don't seem to fit in here. I guess the best thing to do is leave it in here for now, fix it up with plot/organization, put it up for GA, and if it fails, ask the reviewer if he thinks that section is helping or hindering the cause. Sbloemeke 00:09, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
- Organizations in the Haruhi Suzumiya series I think would be a better title, but that could work; the only probably would be the references, though I guess we could get a fair amount from the anime/novels if absolutely necessary. As for a new Characters section, just how indepth do you plan on doing this if we already have a main article for the characters? Do you mean just adding in the info to the SOS Brigade members (with a link to the main character article) or do you also wish to add in some of the other characters like Ryoko or Kyon's Sister? And on top of that, we could do something along the lines of what they have at Excel Saga with Plot and characters in one section.--十八 00:22, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
- Nope. I mean that I think the present "SOS Brigade Members" should be a section, the individual summaries expanded a bit, and maybe a picture for them. Their names would be linked to their article. We also have a linking to the charecter list. I know Excel Saga did the Plot and charecters in one section, but I personally prefer them seperate. It'll all depend on what the GA reviewer wants. The affiliations part (Which is what is proposed for a move), would probably be word for word exactly what is in here, and graded as a Start Class article, as it has no references. It would go next to "Light Novels" in the top level. I think that just by removing them we can better this article.Sbloemeke 18:04, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
- Sounds good to me then.--十八 06:19, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
- Before I go and do anything, though, I want to know exactly what the plot section would look like. Would you like me to write it, or would you like to try your hands on it?Sbloemeke 02:17, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
- If you've read into the novels, you probably have a better idea of what the plot overview is meant to contain. My knowledge is only as far as The Melancholy is concerned.--十八 02:20, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
- The present plan is fine for a GA, but as one of the primary goals of WP:HARUHI is to get this article featured, we need a story/plot section that includes characters, plot, and themes present in the series. Some type of development/production/etc section needs to be present, and should display the transition between light novels and anime production. A broader reception section needs to be there, but it's less of an issue seeing as the majority of the content is present at The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya (anime)#Reception and fandom. Sephiroth BCR (Converse) 05:47, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
- I know. But it should be a GA before we can get to FA. Anyways, sorry for the delay, job has been interfering. I'll do the edits on Saturday.Sbloemeke 01:04, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
- The present plan is fine for a GA, but as one of the primary goals of WP:HARUHI is to get this article featured, we need a story/plot section that includes characters, plot, and themes present in the series. Some type of development/production/etc section needs to be present, and should display the transition between light novels and anime production. A broader reception section needs to be there, but it's less of an issue seeing as the majority of the content is present at The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya (anime)#Reception and fandom. Sephiroth BCR (Converse) 05:47, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
- If you've read into the novels, you probably have a better idea of what the plot overview is meant to contain. My knowledge is only as far as The Melancholy is concerned.--十八 02:20, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
- Before I go and do anything, though, I want to know exactly what the plot section would look like. Would you like me to write it, or would you like to try your hands on it?Sbloemeke 02:17, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
- Sounds good to me then.--十八 06:19, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
- Nope. I mean that I think the present "SOS Brigade Members" should be a section, the individual summaries expanded a bit, and maybe a picture for them. Their names would be linked to their article. We also have a linking to the charecter list. I know Excel Saga did the Plot and charecters in one section, but I personally prefer them seperate. It'll all depend on what the GA reviewer wants. The affiliations part (Which is what is proposed for a move), would probably be word for word exactly what is in here, and graded as a Start Class article, as it has no references. It would go next to "Light Novels" in the top level. I think that just by removing them we can better this article.Sbloemeke 18:04, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
- Organizations in the Haruhi Suzumiya series I think would be a better title, but that could work; the only probably would be the references, though I guess we could get a fair amount from the anime/novels if absolutely necessary. As for a new Characters section, just how indepth do you plan on doing this if we already have a main article for the characters? Do you mean just adding in the info to the SOS Brigade members (with a link to the main character article) or do you also wish to add in some of the other characters like Ryoko or Kyon's Sister? And on top of that, we could do something along the lines of what they have at Excel Saga with Plot and characters in one section.--十八 00:22, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Official English translations?
I'm pretty sure they translated Yuki Nagato's organization as the "Data Integration Thought Entity." Can anyone check to make sure?
Also, it says in the article that she is a Data Entity. I don't think she herself is the entity... so for now, I'm changing it to "humanoid interface created by the Data Integration Thought Entity." 74.116.137.2 17:34, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
[edit] SOSdan
Just as a side note, did the fan translation sited in the SOS Brigade section, as "Save the world by Overloading it with fun, Suzumiya Haruhi's brigade", come from A.F.K.'s sub? Luigi6138 23:23, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
- It says "fan translations generally accepted" that translation, but since afk was the first to provide an accurate translation that was wide-spread among the anime community at the time, it probably has a root from afk's original translation.--十八 23:48, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Out of Topic?
Suggestion: I suggest that all general information regarding the Suzumiya Haruhi series, novel, plot, etc. except for the topics regarding franchises, be summarized, if not removed. I believe that there are already entries for the plot of the story. It will just make a redundant encyclopedia entry. Links must be provided to the general information about the series, but not the whole article/information. I hope that this will improve the quality of this entry. Vekou 12:07, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Cutting the Infobox?
Since this is a franchise page, the infobox can be reduced to the size similar the Gundam franchise page. It is imaginable for that infobox to stretch the entire article (and more) if the Gundam series included all of its works into a single compounded infobox. For this series, infobox subsections, found in their own articles such as the anime and light novel series, can be removed. Yet, objection can stem from lack of a manga and video game sub-article for the franchise. So, this is something to think about later on. KyuuA4 (talk) 17:40, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Games
"Namco Bandai Games has announced that another adventure game, The Promise of Haruhi Suzumiya (涼宮ハルヒの約束, Suzumiya Haruhi no Yakusoku?),[10] was released for the PlayStation Portable on December 20, 2007. " So, they announced that the game was released a month ago....someone wanna fix the english here? 68.8.219.56 (talk) 09:45, 11 February 2008 (UTC)jopojelly
- For future instances, please Be Bold and update any entries that need updating, thank you.--十八 10:22, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Probably unnecessary "the"
"Spreading Excitement All Over the World with the Haruhi Suzumiya Brigade" - I'm not sure that the "the" before the titular character's name should be there, and I don't think asosbrigade.com has been updated for quite a while now (most of the pages aren't there and I can't use Wayback Machine on the pages archived and find something out of those). I have watched the ASOS Brigade miniseries as well as the dub of broadcast-episode-2/chronological-episode-1 but I don't think that's enough of a citation. --Addict 2006 23:30, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Question
Here is a section from Haruhi_Suzumiya_(franchise)#Organization
"Sealed Realities" or "Closed Spaces" are odd occurrences in the cross-dimensional faultlines catalyzed by Haruhi Suzumiya when she is antagonized as a sort of practice round for her godly powers. The world within the Sealed Reality is almost identical to a corresponding area of the world, but is colored in grey tones completely and devoid of people....
What is a "grey tone"? I find no other mention of it anywhere... I am curious, but also, it may need to be defined for better encyclopedic quality --LiteralKa (talk) 16:39, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
- Grey tone as in there is little or no colour, and consisting mainly of shades of grey. Not sure if that was your question... :P --nyoro~! Highwind888 (talk) 01:28, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
