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[edit] Removed

I removed the following text from the History section of the article:

On May 11, 1996, ValuJet Flight 592, which had taken off for Hartsfield from Miami International Airport in Miami, Florida, experienced a fire and crashed into the Florida Everglades, killing all on board.

This passage seemed out of place in context and irrelevant in reference to the history of the airport, as the ValuJet crash happened over 500 nm away and had nothing to do with Hartsfield other than being bound for it. It is mentioned in the article for Miami International, which is, I think, more appropriate, as the mishap occurred shortly after takeoff there. Most interested in this crash will, I think, begin their search in the ValuJet article instead. Chris 05:58, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Former name

Is mentioning the former name in the opening paragragh really needed? It's in the history section. -james_anatidae 12:06, Jun 5, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Accidents and incidents

This section contributes no value to this article. The Lexington incident occurred on the ground at that airport. Suggest removing

  • Perhaps remove the incident you reference but the section in toto should not be removed. It provides interesting history relative to the facility. JBEvans 13:29, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Picture

any decent pics for the infobox?

Do you want an aerial picture of the airport? I'd be glad to get one for you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Press208 (talk • contribs) 01:36, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Busiest airport?

Largest perhaps, but read on Heathrow, they say they have the busiest airport. What right or wrong here? Shandristhe azylean 13:52, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

often referred to as Heathrow, is the third busiest airport in the world, after
Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport and Chicago O'Hare.
According to the FAA, Hartsfield-Jackson is still on top. [1] I think the opening paragraph should be modified to reflect this. toll_booth 22:02, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Check the Wikipedia article for "world's busiest airports" and you'll see that an international body recognizes that "title" by multiple criteria. Hartsfield is largest in one category, Heathrow is largest in another. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.214.96.241 (talk) 20:57, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Possible Vandalism

I have removed a lot of nonsense from this article in which users has been inserting airlines that no longer serve this airport. If any one feels that my edits should be reverted, then please revert them. Many thanks! Bucs2004 04:54, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Possible Plagarism

Based on the history I'm reading about ATL, I think it's basically a plagarism from this video I saw to commemorare the opening of the 5th runway.

Link: http://www.nmediatv.com/DNN5thRunwayTribute.html

Starcity ai 05:48, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

I really don't see the plagiarism. They both cite the same facts, but there can be no copyright on facts. Nowhere that I've heard is the video's narration exactly what the video shows. Furthermore, this revision from two days before the video was released, 5/15/06, contains basically the same information as is in the video. I think it's possible that the video's producers used Wikipedia as a source! FCYTravis 06:24, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Unclear sentence

This sentence is in the article's second paragraph: Hartsfield-Jackson also has fifty-seven percent of their passengers flying elsewhere. What does the sentence mean by "elsewhere"? Are 57% of passengers flying to destinations outside of the South? Perhaps someone who knows what the sentence is trying to say can rewrite it more clearly. - Walkiped 03:55, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

From the "Trivia" section in the article: "Fifty-seven percent of Hartsfield-Jackson's airport passengers do not stay in Atlanta but go on connection flights elsewhere." I think this use of words better fits what the original sentence is trying to say, assuming that it is accurate.
On that note, the statements need references in both places, and I am marking them as such. toll_booth 01:07, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] funny fact

I'll try not to take up too much space on the talk page but an interesting tidbit, the airport train system's PA system calls out the name of the terminals both their letters and their letters in the phonetic alphabet. The train goes: Tango(T) Alpha(A) Bravo(B) Charlie(C)but when it comes to D they had to change it so as not to confuse passangers because the phonetic for D is Delta... they change it to david...Nweinthal 13:46, 25 November 2006 (UTC)NW

In addition, taxiway D is referred to as Dixie in ATL and CVG. V1 Rotate 03:35, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Triple takeoff/landing

With the addition of runway 10/28, can Hartsfield now perform triple simultaneous landings/takeoffs like Cincinnatti? Bigpeteb 18:05, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes. Triple landings are more common though. It is still not possible to conduct triple simultaneous ILS approaches to 8L (26R), 9R (27L), and 10 (28) because 9R and 10 are slightly less than the required 4300 feet apart. A Precision Runway Monitor system has been installed and will be activated either in the middle of January or March which will allow this. V1 Rotate 02:02, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Locally known as "Hartsfield"?

Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport (IATA: ATL, ICAO: KATL),
locally known as Atlanta Airport,

Isn't the airport commonly referred to as "Hartsfield" as well? Can that be included? toll_booth 21:57, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Hearning no objections, I went ahead and made the change. If this was done by mistake, please correct it. toll_booth 00:40, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

It is almost universally called Hartsfield by natives, never Atlanta airport.

[edit] Ontario (CA)

Please discuss this on Talk:Nashville International Airport#Ontario (CA). Thanks. - BillCJ 06:35, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Redirects updated

"Hartsfield International" now redirects to this page. If someone feels that this should not happen, please remove it. toll_booth 00:37, 27 January 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Why is ATL busy ?

Atalanta is not that big of a city. Why is ATL busy?

Atlanta itself only has half a million people, but by most definitions, the metro area has cracked the 5-million mark, and IIRC this puts it in the top-ten largest metro areas in the US.
Also, note that a lot of passengers that travel through Hartsfield are connecting passengers--in fact, according to the article, more than half of them. Combine those two facts, and it suddenly becomes clear why ATL is THE world's busiest airport. :) toll_booth 03:22, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
To address the first poster, I think his point was while Atlanta is a large metro within the U.S., it is obviously not an "Alpha World City" like New York, Los Angeles, or Chicago, yet why does ATL apparently supersede these cities airports in traffic? I think somebody knowledgeable here could give an answer to this. --Section8pidgeon 10:59, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
Well, as mentioned the Atlanta metro area is 5M+ now, and the population in catchment area for ATL is even larger, but in contrast to the cities you mention, ATL is the only commercial airport serving the metro - e.g. NYC is served by JFK, LGA, and EWR, Chicago by ORD and MDW, Los Angeles by LAX and five others. I'm pretty sure Atlanta the largest US city served by a single airport. Recently the FAA granted funding for a study about a second airport for Atlanta.
As also mentioned, origin/destination (O&D) traffic is only 30-something percent so most of ATL's traffic is connecting through the airport as a hub. ATL is very well situated as a hub in the middle of the growing sunbelt/Southern states serving both to collect traffic from smaller regional airports and particularly as a connection point for Florida destinations from the rest of the country. It is the primary hub for both Delta and AirTran. AUTiger » talk 14:35, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Take a look at all the destinations in Terminals T,A, and C. A lot of those destinations are temporary, but some are seasonal. When you put all the destinations into one pile, you have as many destinations as O'Hare! (possibly: I have no idea how many Chicago serve as of right now).--Press208 00:15, 2 November 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Press208 (talk • contribs) 01:30, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

- Not mentioned yet here is actually the largest reason Hartsfield is so busy. It has little to do with ATL population or its place as an "alpha" city. It is the fact that Hartsfield is the only airport of any appreciable size, in the only city of any appreciable size, in a large region of the country. The surrounding states are mostly rural, their cities mostly mid-size at best, their airports ill-equipped for large volumes. Although there are actually more passengers travelling to Texas, for example, than to Georgia, the presence of several large airports there allows none of them to grow as busy as Hartsfield. Connections are spread across many facilities. If there was, for example, a city the size of Houston where Charleston is, and a Philadelphia where Birmingham is, Hartsfield would be just another large regional airport, not the behemoth geography has caused it to be. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.214.96.241 (talk) 21:04, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] 747-400?

I just wanted to confirm that a 747-400 could land on at least one of the runways here.

Thanks!

Probably, because they used to!!! (When Delta owned 747-200s / 100s). --Inetpup 18:14, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
A South African Airways 747-400 did land at ATL in the past. That was later switched to A340 before South African Airways withdrew service from ATL.Starcity ai 04:55, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] AeroMexico

AeroMexico no longer services HJIA. All of their flights are now done in cooperation with Delta who operates all flights carrying an AeroMexico designation from Atlanta.

[edit] Article doesn't do justice to Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport

Compared to other airport articles, such as Denver International Airport, SFO, LAX and even IAD, this article is dull and lacks content. There should really be more pictures too. I'd like to offer help, but I don't travel through ATL often enough to be able to take pictures with my own camera. Hope you can improve on it. Thanks.--Inetpup 21:06, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

  • Pictures are only one part of an article. If the content is lacking you can still supply that. JBEvans 13:32, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Add Links

I notice that there are many cities and airports that are not linked. Is there a reason for not building the links? I'll be glad to add them if I hear no objections. JBEvans 13:34, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] North Terminal

Delta has totaly redone the north terminal and the photo posted on the page is no longer accurate. Does anyone have a picture of the new check-in "pods"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bucs2004 (talk • contribs) 00:43, April 20, 2007 (UTC)

I took a picture of that during my last vacation. I'll take a look at it once I'm home. 65.242.127.130 20:08, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Gate Numbers

I was able to add Gate numbers to their respective airlines by using the Arrivals and Depatures list located on Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport's website as well as the terminal maps located there also. I also used information from the airlines websites. Unfournately, due to gaps in the information I was unable to gather a complete list, and there could be some gaps and holes.

Sources Used:

Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport: http://atlanta-airport.com/applications/trakaflight/flightinfo_frames.htm

Spirit Airlines: http://www.spiritair.com/welcome.aspx?pg=airportmaps&Airport=ATL

Airtran Airways: http://www.airtran.com/cities/atlantaga.aspx

Delta Airlines: http://www.delta.com/traveling_checkin/airport_information/airport_maps/atlanta_atl/index.jsp

Frontier Airlines: http://www.frontierairlines.com/frontier/flight-info/at-the-airport/airports.do



Note: Since Concourse D and E has a "Common Use" Policiy, many of the Gates there overlap.AmericanAtl 21:22, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Heathrow Terminal 5

One of the notes under trivia states that "ATL is expected to lose its title of the "World's Busiest Airport" when Heathrow's T5 is completed." Heathrow can't really increase operations because of runway constraint issues (Atlanta has 5 runways and Heathrow has 2). Completing T5 won't increase the number of passengers traveling through Heathrow that dramatically.Starcity ai 04:53, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Section on how to access Hartsfield Airport

Do you think that a separate section should be written detailing Hartsfield Airport's location and how to access it via road, MARTA, etc.? Correct me if I'm wrong, but as the article stands I don't think much is written on this topic. Gujuguy (talk) 16:56, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The Layout Section

I have cleaned up the layout section and removed redundant information. I also removed some of the info about the Underground Train, since the APM now has it's own article (I provided a link to the article). Most of the info (especially the PA and the NATO Alphabet) is mentioned in the APM article. I also gave the MARTA Station paragraph it's own heading to separate it from the APM paragraph. If my edit is seen as unnecessary, feel free to undo it.

Sanibel sun (talk) 04:45, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] "Connecting" and "transit" passengers

The statement "Fifty-seven percent of Hartsfield-Jackson's airport passengers do not stay in Atlanta but go on connection flights elsewhere" needs to be explained - and it definitely needs citation, as flagged.

The official information page, cited in the article, states that passenger traffic was 84.8 million at 2006. This was broken down as 76.3 million "domestic," 8.1 million "international" and 0.5 million "transit." Regrettably, "transit" is not defined; this term "might" refer to passengers traveling between two other countries via the U.S. Ldemery (talk) 19:38, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Relative Size Among US Airports

This article states that Hartsfield is the largest airport in the United States, but DFW in Texas is quite a bit larger, at 18,076 acres (73.15 sq. km.) Hartsfield's stated .54 sq. km. is quite small for an airport size, and must refer to the airport's terminal area only. This should be clarified. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.214.96.241 (talk) 20:52, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Secret underground tunnel

I was just in Terminal C the other day, and I walked passed an escalator labeled as going to Terminal B. Apparently it must be some kind of underground shortcut to avoid having to go all the way to the main passageway. I was shocked to find out such a thing actually existed!

Does anyone have a source to cite that this exists? (since wp does not allow original research) Bigpeteb (talk) 22:35, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

You can probably use the concourse maps as a source. Concourse C map (tunnel to B near gate C40), Concourse B map (tunnel to C near gate B29) --Latish redone (formerly All in) (talk) 02:59, 31 May 2008 (UTC)