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[edit] Expanding this article

I have expanded this article with a bit more information. - parthi 23:45, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

==CLAN OF HARSHA =='

Many historians have hurriedly given his dynasty as 'Vardhan', as both he and his father had the suffix ' Vardhan' after their first personal names. That, however, is not a correctapproach, as Vardhan is just a title like 'Varman' or 'Gupta', and it is not a family name, hence cannot be used as a clan/dynatical name..

Cunningham had picked up on this circa 19th century, and this was researched in depth by Desraj, Dahiya, Ahlawat to name a few.

The only dispute is- can we link Harsha to the [Virk]s of Mandsor, or do we link him to the [Bains]( [Vais]) of Punjab?. Huen Tsang , says he is of the 'Vais' background.

We should keep in mind that the documents of that era are not crystal clear, however we do know that both 'clan' or 'goth' names of Virk and Bains/Vais, belong to the Jats from time immemorial.

For further indepth discussion see:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JatHistory/

'==Political and Social Society in North India.=='

Society in North India had various forms of governance. At the village level it was a mini republic, governed by a council of five- the Panchayat.

A larger cluster of villages, normally 84, would form a republican unit,called a ' Gan',' JanpadPal', 'Khap., wich in turn would be governed by a overall elected body- the Sarv Khap.( All Khap)

The monarchial society, as may be expected, would get more notice,in surviving historical records, as the monarchial system tended to have the disposable surplus to devote to making buildings, temples, making inscriptions, and having recorders on staff.

Research is increasingly showing that the republican societies did not die out, and were co existing wth monarchial forms, though they were in tension with each other, for monarchy and democracy are not exactly compatible.

See references and the links in the main article.

Ravi Chaudhary 14:00, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WP cannot include your own deductions

You can only cite reputable published sources not yahoo groups started by yourself. These are not considered valid sources. See WP:NOR and WP:CITE - Parthi 21:05, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Response>>

Parthi or Venu62

You are making changes wthout referring to the published material,or are you suggesting that Indian sources are not reputable?.

Please show that Vardhnan is , first a dynastical name, and that it was used by them or for that matter anyone else, as a dynastical name.

Please show where Buddhism was the official religion, If you read a standard history text, any text, it will show that all religions were practiced, and Harsha supportive of and was tolerant of all.

Please also show us where teh Hns were a supreme power in the Punjab and elswhereat the time of Harsha?. The main Hun power of Mihirgul and Toraman, had been long broken.

Please also do not delete any of the references to the republics.

Much material is coming out, and it may be wise for you to read it , rather than ignore it, if you interested in the History of Harsha Vardhan and his times.

Please also do NOT delete the references to the published material.

May I suggest you argue out your theories rather than indulge yourself in a 'revert'and re revert excercise.

The material and evidence is not going to go away!

Ravi Chaudhary 02:25, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

I have cleaned up the formatting and corrected your spelling and gramattical errors. I will check facts soon. Remember WP:CITE says you can only cite English sources on the English WP. - Parthi 03:32, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Response>.

Thank you for not deleting the material.

Checking the facts is exactly what I am requesting you to do, before going into unproductive reverts.

You will need to access the material.If you difficulty, please ask for help.

I intend to expand the article with more refernced material, as I have time

I will need help with formatting,structure etc. Your assitance would be appreciated

Best regards

Ravi Chaudhary 13:23, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] This page is vandalized

I do not have information regarding this topic to make changes. But this topic is vandalized, and I would like to bring it to notice of somebody. - —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rajmohan h (talk • contribs)

I have reverted the vandalism-Parthi 00:27, 26 July 2006 (UTC)