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I am just wondering, will you start creating an article for each individuals? Fad (ix) 00:20, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Not just each individual, but those who committed notorious crimes worthy of public attention and condemnation. This is not the only page I created, I also created pages for poets and musicians. Atabek 12:01, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

You just have shown again that you don't understand what Wikipedia is. "Worthy of public attention and condemnation" as reason is called POV pushing. Fad (ix) 19:57, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Added a new category, where this topic fits. Atabek 11:19, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Replacing the category terrorism because it doesn't fit. He was never found guilty of terrorism. This is what he was found guilty of "murder in the first degree (Pen. Code, § 187), with a true finding of the special circumstance that the killing was because of the victim's nationality or country of origin. (Pen. Code, § 190.2, subd. (a)(16).) fn. 1" appropriate category would be anti-turkism VartanM 05:35, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Vartanm, before next POV pushing attempt, read the second reference, the words of President Ronald Reagan issued in the statement on the day of murder. Atabek 21:24, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Atabek, I'm not pushing POV, I have read all the sources included in this article. This is what Reagan said:

"This afternoon a tragic event occurred in Los Angeles. The Turkish Consul General, Kemal Arikan, was assassinated in an apparent act of terrorism. I condemn this vicious act."

Definition of the word:"apparent: appearing as such but not necessarily so" thus, considering all the sources provided, you can't include him in the terrorist category because, the statement by the president Reagan was doubtful. He was convicted as a murderer, not a terrorist. VartanM 23:53, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

You're to tell us that the definition of the word "terrorism" with regards to this murder by President Ronald Reagan was wrong? Perhaps, you have trouble interpreting the word terrorism, here is the definition for you from Wikipedia Terrorism: "Terrorism is a term used to describe violence or the perception or threat of imminent violence." The murder was a violence, committed on basis of ideology of Turkophobia which the convicted murderer was brainwashed with. It was committed not as a standalone murder act, but was part of global ASALA terror campaign againt Turkish targets going in 1970s and 1980s. Your claim that it wasn't terrorist attack is the same as claiming Madrid train bombings were a mass murder but not a terrorist attack. Atabek 19:27, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Atabek, I'm not claiming anything, It is you who is claiming that he was a terrorist. I'm only asking for reliable proof. Which you haven't produced. VartanM 19:47, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

My thinking was that if the president of the USA uses the term 'terrorism', it's at least a defensible proposition. What's more, a jury found that the killing was motivated by politics. In any case, I don't much want to talk about it; but if I didn't reinsert it at least once, I might question my own integrity.DBaba 00:00, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

The president said it was an apparent act of terrorism, apparent shows doubt. And he was only convicted for a first degree murder not terrorism. VartanM 00:08, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

"I renounce the use of terrorist tactics to achieve political goals." The NYT almost certainly termed it similarly. I don't know what to tell you, except that the vast majority of humans in the modern western world would call this terrorism, and have a much more compelling argument than you do. You can restore it, if his confession is enough for you; I trust that you're doing your best to discern the truth, rather than foolishly attempting to determine it.DBaba 00:59, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

I also renounce the use of terrorist tactics to archive political goals. Does renouncing terrorism makes me a terrorist? My intention is to make sure that this articles content corresponds with its sources. And none of the sources have sufficient information to claim he was a terrorist. VartanM 01:17, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Vartan, the main reason why Harry Sassounian became a "celebrity" to have a dedicated Wikipedia page was due to his murder of Arikan, an event which was branded by no other than the President of the United States, Ronald Reagan as "an act of terrorism". So I don't see what kind of ground you have in removing the terrorism category from this page provided the facts above? Atabek 17:18, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Atabek, you are correct, the only reason his famous is because of the murder of Arikan. You know I'm really impressed by your selective quotation of the president of the US. I guess your eyes see what your mind wants them to see. There is an important part of that sentence you left out, by mistake I suppose. But don't worry I'm not blaming you, its just a small word,easy to miss. Do you know what that word is, yes you do we've been discussing it for over a month now. The word is apparent. Apparent means maybe yes, maybe not, who knows, I have no clue, it could of been, I'm not sure, I'm guessing it was, you get the point. You see Atabek Wikipedia is not the place to guess not even for the president of United States. VartanM 21:11, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

The article lists the statement by Sassounian in 2002, which says: "I renounce the use of terrorist tactics to achieve political goals. I regret the suffering of the Arikan family.". This is a clear admission that the murder of Arikan was a terrorist attack and shall be appropriately categorized. Atabek 21:54, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Atabek, please mind the WP:BLP, as said before, renouncing terrorism is not addmition of it. VartanM 22:07, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

VartanM, he did use terrorist tactics to achieve political goals, and he admitted it. As for your comment on edit, yes you renounce terrorism, perhaps, but you haven't been charged with murdering a human being via a terrorist attack, Sassounian was, so comparison is irrelevant here. This is a fourth revert you're making without proper discussion. Atabek 22:14, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

What he asks is seems to be something different: "I renounce the use of terrorist tactics to achieve political goals." Is it means he is a ... terrorist? I think a lot of peaceful, non-terrorist persons can repeat these words... Andranikpasha 12:32, 23 October 2007 (UTC)