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It is inappropriate to redirect this article to the Book, because anyone who wants information about the book would not type (film) in their search for the article. So, if they get to this page, it is obvious that they want information about the film and it's production. Even though there is little known at this point, there is more than nothing, and the artlicle should reflect the known details.

-Removed comma before "Sirius" so that it was clear that Sirius is Harry's godfather; within the list, it looked as if godfather and Sirius were two different people.

Please sign your comments by typing four tildes (~) afterwards. Phoenix1304 15:24, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Vandalism

What's this "Harry Potter fans U suck" nonsense someone please get rid of it! find me on my talk page LOTRrules 18:48, 23 July 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Release Date

Look here! Deathly Hallows is set to be released in 2010! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.180.24.56 (talk • contribs)

IMDB can not always be relied upon, as they have such a huge database, many of the dates are "out of date" as it were, however it can be assumed that it will be out by 2010 because they hope to have wrapped up the films by then. (Sorry no source) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Moviejunkie99 (talk • contribs)
IMDb is working on the assumption of a continuation of the current 18-month cycle pace which has taken hold since the third movie was released. Remember the first two films came out back to back in Nov '01 and '02 - on a pace partly to keep the child actors having a reasonably similar appearance. The third film was slown down by 6 months to release in Summer '04 - giving everyone a bit of a break (also to replace the actor for Dumbledore's role). Since then it has been Nov '05 and July '07 for the fourth and fifth films. The sixth is officially scheduled for release on Friday 21 Nov '08 (and I'll bet you it gets released early on Wednesday the 19th or Thursday the 20th, just like the previous films were), and it follows that the seventh and last will be planned for Summer 2010. We can debate the reliability of the IMDB, and that things sometimes change, but it is a decent source, usually accurate "for now", and it is probably correct, and it can be checked from time to time for updates. I think we can say Summer 2010 (projected) with a source reference to IMDB or any other reasonably good source has also "verified" with Warner Bros. their intent. There is no reason to stick our heads in the sand and pretend IMDb does not exist and ignore the information that is open and available and easily verifiable to them. If IMDB proves to be wrong, or if disasters destroy the global economy, and everything is put on hold and delayed, then we can correct our information accordingly as better information becomes available. --T-dot ( Talk/contribs ) 11:55, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bellatrix Lestrange

How do we know if she's in book 7 when it hasn't yet been released? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Moviejunkie99 (talk • contribs)

There was one interview that was released saying she plays a significant role in book 7, and is posted on many Harry Potter websites..... and in this interview :The last question on the second page states, that she is in Movie 7. ---User:Smartjoe299

Thanks for the information. I've been staying away from such sites to avoid knowing too much about what's going to happen in the book. I want my own theories and such like :) --- Movie Junkie 16:46, 15 July 2007 (UTC) (Apologies for not signing before, merely forgot.)

ya she's in the first chapter
Well, she's in it! I just read it! Niyant 01:18, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
Having now read the book, I realise its true :) — Movie Junkie 09:10, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

I find it a bit strange that she has confermed for the 7th movie but not the 6th. In the books she is in both after all. Lovingnews1989 08:09, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

As far as I remember, she was only in the one scene: Spinners End in the 6th book...knowing the filmakers they will probably cut that scene...but even if they don't, shes not that important in it and can be cut out of it. She's far more important in the last book.---Smartjoe299

thanks now i get itLovingnews1989 23:28, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

She may indeed be in the sixth film, but all she mentioned in the interview was that JKR said that she was "significant" in the seventh. She's not "significant" in the sixth, but she may still be in it. --Fbv65edel / ☑t / ☛c || 16:05, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Previous roles and new characters section

I hardly think you could classify these sections as OR or speculation. Nothing about them says that these roles will definitely make the cut. The lead paragraph of each section might be reworded to the following to make it clearer:

The following is a list of actors who have, in a previous film, filled a role that recurs in the novel, the source material for this screen adaptation. No information on their return in Deathly Hallows has been confirmed, and the characters may be recast or removed from the screenplay adaptation.

There is nothing speculative about this -- it provides a resource for potential continuity among the series. --Fbv65edel / ☑t / ☛c || 17:20, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, that paragraph would be the one for "Previous roles"; here's a potential one for "New characters": "The following is a list of characters who have a role in this book but who have not appeared in previous films. Any of these characters may not be written into the screenplay." --Fbv65edel / ☑t / ☛c || 18:28, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
"For potential continuity". That's problem I have. It's guessing. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 17:24, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
It's not guessing. Nowhere does it say these actors are to come back for the film. It's saying that they were the last people to appear in the role. The contunity is inferrable, but not written. --Fbv65edel / ☑t / ☛c || 17:27, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
We should not be inferring anything. Anything that is not stated explicitly should not be added to an article. These lists/topics pertain more to the book and the previous movies than this one, and they are already covered there. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 23:43, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
The reader can infer things if they like, it's not up to us. If what is said is not anything like "we're almost sure that Snape will be in the movie because he's kind of major in this one" but more like "Severus Snape appears in the source material for this film; previously he was played by Alan Rickman," I don't see what's wrong with that. We're not coming out and saying that Snape is likely (or there's a 78% chance or whatever) to appear, we're simply saying that he appeared in the book, and this is who played him, so you don't have to go to two other articles to find that out. If that's something which you still don't agree with, I could potentially envision directing the reader to List of Harry Potter films cast members. --Fbv65edel / ☑t / ☛c || 02:45, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
Inserting cast members without a source fails WP:RS, regardless of whether the character is in or not the source material. See how the screenplays of the last two movies in particular have strayed from the novels. Additionally, unsourced material about a living person can be construed as a violation of WP:BLP. Will (talk) 16:39, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
What is unsourced about saying that Alan Rickman played Snape in the first five films? That Ralph Fiennes played Voldemort in the fourth and fifth? If you'd like I'm happy to go and cite each individual case just so that there is a citation next to each name. Nobody is "inserting cast members." I am making it very clear that we are not saying these people are signed on for this film, but rather are saying they were the most recent actors to play certain characters, certain characters who appear in the source material. If anything is OR, it is the suggestion that the fact that the screenplays of the last two movies have strayed from the novels is supposed evidence that HBP's and DH's screenplays will also stray from the novels. --Fbv65edel / ☑t / ☛c || 18:15, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
The thing about these sections is that, even though they're not saying it directly, they are implying that these actors may or may not play roles that may or may not be in the movie. If someone wants to see what characters are in the book and who played those roles in the previous movies, they can go to the applicable articles to see. You say that readers can infer what they want, but that just makes it clear you want to imply the speculation. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 22:59, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
That is what I personally have implied. With a stronger lead, it is not speculation. Besides, rather than making work for the reader and having them go to different articles to find who appears int he book and then who played that character, we're making it easier for them. Incidentally, I've put in a notice at WT:FILMS for a few more comments on this. --Fbv65edel / ☑t / ☛c || 03:44, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
If the roles aren't confirmed for this film: they shouldn't be listed, period. We don't need list clutter of "previous roles", if none of those roles are relevant (as they aren't confirmed right now). When things are confirmed: then it can be put in the article. Wikipedia isn't a crystal ball: speculation doesn't belong here. Also I want to point out: a list of book characters isn't needed for this article, as the full cast of this movie isn't known yet. If people want to know the book cast: they can look at the book article. RobJ1981 17:37, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
The point is that this is most definitely not speculation, and WP:CRYSTAL is irrelevant. Obviously these roles are not yet confirmed, as it is quite explicitly stated. The list is being used as a reference guide listing characters who appear in the book, and who do not all appear in such a list form in the book article anyway. And even if they did, the reader would have to click on each individual name to see the actor who portrayed him/her. Why not make it easier and put it all in one place? It is quite clear that these roles have not been confirmed. Also, instead of having a revert war in the article, let's resolve the issue here first. --Fbv65edel / ☑t / ☛c || 21:37, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
This is speculation because as you say, these roles are not yet confirmed. Their inclusion itself is speculation. What reason other than that these might be in the film is there for including these lists? --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 22:19, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
It would be speculation to say that the roles are confirmed, or are "probably" going to be included in the film. It is not speculation to say that the roles appeared in the book upon which the film was based, giving no subjective opinions on whether they will be included or not but simply being comprehensive in their listing. --Fbv65edel / ☑t / ☛c || 04:41, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
Why might someone want to read these lists? A list of roles from the book belongs in the article about the book, not here. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 02:42, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
As I see it, including these roles is either speculation (if it's meant to suggest a likelihood that they'll be in this film as well) or irrelevant (if it's just facts about the book and other movies). 24.152.170.55 15:22, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
It is "just facts" about the book and other movies, but included here as a convenience and resource, so that people don't have to hunt down every character who appears in the book, since that's not listed anywhere else on Wikipedia, and then search for the actor that played them in whatever the last movie was that they appeared in. --Fbv65edel / ☑t / ☛c || 17:04, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

(restart indent) But there's no logical place to list roles in the book article. It makes sense here because of the actors previously linked to them, IMO. --Fbv65edel / ☑t / ☛c || 03:36, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

As this topic has been halted for nearly two days now, I've decided to start an RFC. --Fbv65edel / ☑t / ☛c || 15:56, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Request for comment

This is to determine whether roles that occur in the novel and that also appeared in earlier films should be listed, with the actor/actress that played the role in the previous film(s), in this article, as well as Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince (film). It is also to determine whether new characters that appear in the book should be listed as well. The inclusion of one may not necessarily support the inclusion of the other. 15:56, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Statement by Fbv65edel (talk · contribs)
  • The inclusion of these lists is not speculation, and the lead paragraph that would accompany each section would quite clearly state that none of these roles have been confirmed to recur in the screenplay and the actor that previously filled the role is not confirmed, nor has any obligation, to return. Rather than having to go to the book article and try to find every role which occurred in one of the earlier films, then go to each individual character article and find who played the role previously, we've put it all on one page. --Fbv65edel / ☑t / ☛c || 16:02, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
Statement by IamHermionie (talk · contribs)
  • This list does nothing to the article but add info that is already placed in other articles. If people want to find out what previous roles were played in the other movies, they can just look it up in the specific articles. I really don't think that this section was made other than to imply that these characters might be in this movie, which is against Wikipedian standards and really, I think people will infer this without our help. I can understand where somebody would like to make a list of characters that were not in previous books or movies and would like to make a list to point out that these characters from the book might get an actor in the movie. All, in all, I don't think that this list should be in the article, rather replaced with a list of new characters from the books that might have an actor representing them.  Bella Swan(Talk!) 16:55, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
Statement by Pairadox (talk · contribs)
  • I think Chris Griswold expressed it best when he wrote about the implication of including information about actors that are not confirmed. It should be left out. Pairadox 05:57, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] DH film needs it's own page.

This is the edit that started the HBP movie page date: July 2005, 3 1/2 years before the movie. It's now 2 1/2 before Part 1. DH needs a page!!! 202.154.153.12 (talk) 21:36, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

No it doesn't. Wikipedia:FUTFILMS forbids articles on films which have yet to begin filming. The policy was introduced after the original HBP page was created. Filming for DH is due to start next year, it can get it's own article then. Gran2 22:09, 12 April 2008 (UTC)