Talk:Hare scramble

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Hey, who wrote this? does the person race NCHSA because i saw the link...

[edit] Photos needed

We need a high quality copyright free photograph or two.--Scribner 13:32, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

There is a slightly pertinet one of stefan meriman floating about (See enduro) Pickle 20:26, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

The Photo posted is of Jennifer Roberts who races the womens class in the KORHS series. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Microwizard (talk • contribs) 04:57, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Need cited facts

Hare & hounds and hare scrambles vary in lenght so asserting that they are 100 miles is false. Hare scrambles have been around for over 50 or 60 (possible even longer) years and the modern day hare scramble still follows a similar format from back then (in ref to modern day scramble started in 80's). There is a difference between hare scrambles on the US west and east coast but the basic concept reamins the same.

I also add cited source from an organization that sanctions hare scrambles that was deleted in favor of sourcing a message board discussion. How can a message board discussion be considered a ref source?--I already forgot 17:47, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Hare & hounds are around a 100 miles, Hare scrambles are about 50 miles in length. I never asserted otherwise. Around 1984, Davey Combs broke with the AMA 100 miler series and created the GNCC. You're welcome to call the GNCC folks regarding that information. My understanding, is that the AMA then started what is what we're calling the Hare Scramble.

Regarding the origins of the name, that came from one of the top editors of dirt bike magazine and definitly should be inculded as well as the GNCC connection.

Do you have a link for the 50-60 year claim? I suspect you're wrong. Also, We need a photograph on this article. I can't find one the free of copyrights.--Scribner 19:23, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Without going into detail on the subject right now, I have included an external link to a racing calendar from 1966. In 1966 hare scrambles had already been around for many years with rumors going back to the 30's. There has been much speculation to the origin of the name. One being the past time of chasing the abundance of hares in the Mojave Desert (pre and post ww2) but no definitive source has been provided.--I already forgot 19:58, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Here is another article (reprinted from cycle magazine, july 1951) from the same site talking about well known riders, events, and hare and hounds back in the 40's.--I already forgot 20:11, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Also you said that the source is from one of the top editors of dirt bike magazine. All I could find from the source provided (message board) was from a person named "dirk bike dave" with a quote of "Don't know about the origin of Hare Scramble, but I will make a guess. In the early days, MX style races lapping a course for a set time period were often called scrambles, while the Hare & hounds were longer cross country races. So a Hare Scramble would be sort of a combination of the two - intermediate length course, running laps for a longer period than a scrambles." I'm not disputing the claim, but the ref sounds more like speculation than fact and should not be used as a ref.--I already forgot 20:36, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Information on the history of hare scrambles seems almost nonexistent. The folks at the GNCC say they look forward to the article being written, too, and said they would offer any assistance. An AMA event is specific on time and the name origin (dirt bike dave is one of the top editors at the magazine, but he could be wrong) I provided is likely correct, even though my time reference was off by a few decades, or more, (obviously I've center-punched one too many trees).--Scribner 20:59, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Yep, like you said, its hard to find the origins of hare scrambles and hare and hounds since the type of racing started so long ago. Possibly a good source for material would be the editor/writer Rick "Super Hunky" Sieman. If I can find additional resources, I will be sure to add them here.

GNCC's the archetypal hare scrambles are run by Racer promotions, who are the Coombs family clan, one of whom is Davey Coombs, editor of RacerXIll. As for origin, as i understand it it refers to the setting of of rider (the hare) and then getting the rest to chase him down. Particularly in the deserts of the western USA. In practise a Hare Scramble is a long motocross, emphasis on the long, with several laps. Quiet how you distinguish it from the other concept of Hare and Hounds i don't know. Your (the article) assertions about this being the forerunner of MX and/or that this is "scrambling", i would argue are wrong! Scrambling is the British name for MX up until the late 1960s (well still used in some quarters over here). Pickle 20:25, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Cheers for that, BTW great work on this article ;) Pickle 13:58, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] who?

wrote this? I saw the link to the NCHSA website and I race in the NCHSA...

just wondering... KTM Jared 683 01:41, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Hey KTM Jared, dig back through the article histroy section. The NCHSA ref has been here a while.--Scribner 22:08, 21 October 2006 (UTC)