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[edit] Useless Links

They've been a number of red links (links that lead to no-where) for sometime. Should they finally be removed or not, in order to improve the quality of this article? I have tried to fix this in the past through the use of Google to find the relevant homepages and what not, but more keep appearing! Phobos Gekko 15:16, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Notable Artists Vandalism?

Please, stop writing hardly relevant names on the Notable Artists page. As the name of the category suggests, these artists listed should be considered NOTABLE for the scene... Im a big fan of the genre but yet Ive never heard of a single release by "DJ Irish" or "Psylent Pulse". I think the list should better be short, but useful. --ha-core 12:58, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

It is a mess. I've flagged that section with {{Redlinks}} and the whole article as {{unreferenced}} --GraemeL (talk) 13:05, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
who actually has heard of Psylent Pulse? also there's a wikipedia page for it?--Yiyun 10:12, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
It is self-advertising probably. Anyway the article is deleted now. --ha-core 20:17, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Trance?

To me, it seems like hardstyle should be a sub-genre of hardcore, not trance. Am I wrong?


Well, hardstyle is a fusion genre of hardcore and trance. In fact, it should be in both categories, but I think it is more close to trance music than to the gabber music. --ha-core 21:38, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

We may want to make note of it's similarity to 'hardcore' music, and place a link to the hardcore wiki page in the introduction. Does this sound reasonable?

There is already a link to both gabber and hardcore techno in the introduction.--ha-core 07:10, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Hardstyle has nothing to do with trance, these are both different genres. Trance is just another form of electronic music which has evolved from house. Saying Hardstyle has evolved from trance is like saying Death Metal has evolved from country since they both use guitars.

Im confused to which genre hardstyle belongs to, or if it has It's own. Please elaborate..

I disagree that it has nothing to do with trance. As previously mentioned it is a mesh of trance and hardcore but not as sloq as hard trance and not as quick as hardcore. I DJ hardstyle and have listened to thousands of tracks and i can tell you there are huge elements of trance in many tracks. Don't get me wrong, i am not a trance fan but i can hear the trancey elements. Firstly, many tracks are lengthy, there are stacks of breakdowns and you can't tell me that half the breakdowns hardstyle tracks have don't sound trancey! If it has to be classified it is closer to HARD trance but still with hardcore influences. I own tracks with both trancey and hardcore breakdowns all at once! To me the driving reverbing basslines clearly indicate the similarity with HARD trance. It't not hard trance or hardcore. It's a mix of the two and yes it is it's own style outright.

Closer to trance? No, trance if you look at the beats etc, is 1 big loop as you will, hardstyle is many loops of tiny samples and a big melody on top of it. Besides that, hardstyle is much harder than trance. Nowadays it is even more closer to hardcore, because the sound is becoming harder. Hardstyle, in the Netherlands and Italy is its own style. I can't speak for France and Spain. By the way, I suggest that you remove the notable artist section. It is never complete, and many artist that are in now, are not that notable. Altought you can say that is my opinion of course, but that's just 1 more argument to remove the section. Mallerd 18:40, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

The same for the labels section. Perhaps only the pioneer labels, Straight On, Danamite .. Mallerd 18:41, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Events

I would like to point out that GraemeL has removed the 'Events' section to this article. If you click here and read dot-point 7, you'll find that it specifically says "although mention of major events or promotions may be acceptable". Feel free to prove me wrong, but personally, I do think the events section should be reinstated. --Phobos Gekko 10:30, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

I agree... At least the largest events like Qlimax or Sensation Black should be mentioned. --ha-core 08:27, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Music sample

Should that music sample be changed? Even though Blutonium Boy is one of the top hardstyle producers, I don't think that clip's a good example of hardstyle, it sounds more like hard acid trance. That clip doesn't even have a beat. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 213.216.248.160 (talk) 07:10, 7 April 2007 (UTC).

seconded. what the heck is with those samples?! nothing like hardstyle, christ on a bike. am removing them now --MilkMiruku 07:12, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
It is hardstyle, with acid sounds in it...compare Acid over sydney with 10 kleine bassdrums or other tracid traxxx. you will see you are wrong. Mallerd 18:43, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
someone should add a DJ Zany track, any popular Zany track clearly represents hardstyle.

[edit] Holland or Netherlands?

The article states that "Many of hardstyle's biggest DJs, especially those from Holland, have evolved into Nu-Style", however I am not certain whether the editor meant Holland, the region in the Netherlands or if they meant the whole country, as the term "Holland" is still sometimes used to refer to the whole country. Credema (talk) 05:23, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

It means the Netherlands as the country. In English the term Holland is the same as the Netherlands except if stated otherwise. In Dutch the 2 terms are 2 different things. Perhaps it's best to replace all the "Holland"s with "the Netherlands". Mallerd (talk) 21:01, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Jumpstyle

I think it's totally wrong to place a bit of jumpstyle information on the hardstyle page. Jumpstyle is a other genre than hardstyle. This is mostly result of the dutch people who have gone from pop to jump saying that all hardstyle tracks are jumpstyle, while they don't know anything about what is jump and what is not. I suggest the jump thingy to be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.94.0.3 (talk) 12:23, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Notable Artists

Ok, listen. I was told i need a source, ok i know that but the current artists you're keeping on the page don't have sources so why did you remove mine? You should have removed them all. And for the record, Blutonium Boy, Brennan Heart, Deepack, Donkey Rollers, Headhunterz, Noisecontrollers, Showtek, Southstylers and The Prophet are well known artists and should be noted. I have a feeling this doesn't matter, but on Last.FM they are some of the top hardstyle artists. http://www.last.fm/tag/hardstyle —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.101.242.104 (talk) 18:35, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

The artists who are kept on the page have Wikipedia articles about them, which shows they are notable. If the other artists you mention are notable, you should easily be able to find mentions of them in independent, published sources. Continually adding these artists back to the list without any indication of notability could result in you being blocked and this page protected. Thanks, Gwernol 14:30, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sources

The article has been tagged for nearly six months as lacking in reliable sources, without even a single reference being added. Sources are required for Wikipedia articles - please see WP:V which is one of our core policies. Unless proper independent, published sources are cited soon, I will reduce the article to a stub. Thanks, Gwernol 13:28, 7 June 2008 (UTC)