Talk:Hardcore punk

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[edit] New York hardcore and "influence on other genres"

There should be a topic about New York Hardcore.

I added a paragraph to the "Influence on other genres" section discussing post-hardcore. Please critique. Ilikeartrock 01:24, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hip-hop?

How are hip-hop elements common in metalcore (as said in the 1990s section)? Remember, metalcore isnt nu metal here. Thrash metal and melodeath elements are in metalcore much more. So please dont add that hip-hop elements are in metalcore. Prepare to be Mezmerized! :D 00:40, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

  • Hip-hop and rap influences are ALL OVER the current metalcore scene. Emmure, for instance, uses hip-hop rhythms in their breakdowns. Not to mention the fashion crossover in the scene, & deathcore bands wearing gold and platinum grills on tour.

[edit] Merge

I merged the funkcore article into the funk rock article. Prepare to be Mezmerized! :D 01:27, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sludge metal

Shouldn't sludge metal be mentioned in this article ? Gothbag (talk) 02:18, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Question

Why does this article have almost nothing to do with what Hardcore Punk is? Ive read through it and i gleamed plenty about its history, but nothing about what Hardcore Punk is musicially.

I came to Wikipedia looking for that information. IM dissapointed to find that, once again, Wikipedia has let me down.

Can someone please add some information usefull to the article such as what it is rather than splitting hairs over who did what? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.68.234.255 (talk) 05:04, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

This article is helpful if your familiar with a majority of the bands and genres rediscussed through the explanation of hardcore's history. I'm surprised something as big as hardcore punk wouldn't have gotten a "this article includes jargon" by now, a more thorough explanation of all the aspects of this article is needed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.51.140.214 (talk) 05:23, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Question 2

What about Warzone, Cro-mags, and maybe Madball?

[edit] hXc

Someone needs to fix the article so that when someone searches "hXc", "Hardcore Punk" doesn't come up. hXc does NOT mean Hardcore Punk. It just means "Hardcore", and is often accosiated metalcore bands, like As I Lay Dying, Suicide Silence, etc.

If you don't change it, we at least need to add something about how it's changed over the years. And how the term "hXc" is no longer associated with Hardcore punk much anymore.

I would agree that there is a definite difference between "hardcore" and "hardcore punk." Dead Kennedys do NOT sound much like, say, Bane. However I don't think "Hardcore" is the same thing as Metalcore, hence the "metal" prefix. This article hardly even mentions New York Hardcore.
I think the term "Hardcore Punk" definitely merits its own article, but the distinction should me made between it and "hardcore." I would prefer to see the term "hardcore" have its own article as well. Emceelane (talk) 04:22, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Seminal Brazilian Hardcore punk

I feel the lack of mention to the seminal Brazilian scene. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.56.30.10 (talk) 21:16, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

The only band I know of from Brazil is Sepultura. If you think that this page is lacking specific information on the scene, then you might be the best one to add it, but don't forget to add references. hellboy (talk) 23:29, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Emo

Er, why does it say SDRE is the first emo band? I'd say that Moss Icon is; SDRE was the first one to have the indie emo style. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.169.189.82 (talk • contribs) 6:34, 11 May 2008

  • Hm. That statement is given a source, but I personally think that the statement is BS. SDRE started out years after bands like Rites of Spring and Moss Icon did. At the very least, SDRE was the first emo band to gain recognition outside underground music circles. TheLetterM (talk) 16:53, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] This page

Has some serious problems. Its soley focused on 'the little things'. New York Hardcore barely gets a mention here. Instead it seems to be obsessed with tiny influences of the genre, near unknown bands and the offshoots that don't really link much. I mean, CBGBs was the cradle of hardcore punk, along with bands touring from washington and NewYork, and the only real mentions there are Black Flag, Bad Brains and Minor Threat. I'd view Agnostic Front as having much prominance (Black Flag can't be considered 'Hardcore' until 81 when Rollins started lead vocals.). Also, this is just about all based on the sources of one journalist. Try excanding that. 86.145.189.29 (talk) 15:55, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

I agree, this page needs a revamp badly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.143.209.21 (talk) 09:44, 27 May 2008 (UTC)