Talk:Hard Candy Promo Tour

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Articles for deletion This article was nominated for deletion on 2008-05-06. The result of the discussion was keep content possibly merged to Hard Candy (Madonna_album).

[edit] One show equals "promo tour"?

Can one single show be considered a "promo tour"???Reqluce (talk) 11:11, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

She is peformance 3 times so far (NY, Paris & London). She might do more dates later on as she did with the Hung Up Promo Tour Lecarlos (talk) 07:47, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

It is classed as a tour, 3 shows, 3 different countries, over 30 minutes duration. This is a promotional tour. It should not be deleted as it is relevant. Please look at Concert tour as proof! JWAD (talk)

She is not "performance" 3 times, and as of 7th of May has yet to perform in London. I am in favour of the information on this page being condensed and incorporated into the album page. Reqluce (talk) 23:59, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Request to keep the page, unfounded arguement

She IS performing 3 times - New York, Paris (both with the same performance) and Kent! It is a promo tour, like the others she has done; Don't Tell Me Promo Tour, American Life Promo Tour and Hung Up Promo Tour! Check the UK press she WILL be performing in England. This is a legitimate page with concert dates, setlist, personnel and other details. Your arguement for deletion is unfounded. JWAD (talk)


This page should definitely not be deleted, JWAD is totally right. What is the problem of people like Reqluce?! It's a free encyclopedia, so if someone wants to create a page for their dog they should be able to do it! Who are u to say what should stay and what should be deleted?!?! - MBlovesTIX

MBlovesTIX obviously has never read Wikipedia:Notability, or Wikipedia:Notability (music). "so if someone wants to create a page for their dog they should be able to do it!" No, this is incorrect. Under the aforementioned guidelines, you may very well create a page for your dog, but it would definitely be deleted for not being notable. It would be best if you created a page for your dog anywhere else other than Wikipedia which is an encyclopedia and is governed by its own set of rules. With regards to the painfully childish remark "Who are u to say what should stay and what should be deleted?!?!", MBlovesTIX is strongly encouraged to read Wikipedia:Civility. Reqluce (talk) 15:48, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

I think that Reqluce should read the Wikipedia:Civility. Your previous comments about other users have been at times very childish and bullying. So please do not comment on others when you do the same yourself. Thanks JWAD (talk)

[edit] Merge from Hard Candy Promo Tour

Please see also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hard Candy Promo Tour and add any comments here. - Nabla (talk) 22:30, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
Note the above AfD discussion is now closed. - eo (talk) 17:04, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
  • oppose - There are 2 songs performed on this promo tour ("Music" and "Hung Up") which have no relevance to the Hard Candy album, a merge would make the Hard Candy page too cluttered. This was a promotional tour with three dates and the same set list, this separate page should be kept and not merged. JWAD (talk)
  • Merge - three shows is not notable. It was clearly to hype the new album, even though only a few songs from Hard Candy were performed. This is barely worthy of a paragraph in the Hard Candy article, if that. Many, many artists do warm-up shows or mini-tours to introduce new material or to drum up interest in a project. Another option is to merge into the Sticky & Sweet article, if and when that one becomes notable enough to keep as details emerge. - eo (talk) 14:13, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Definitely merge. Reqluce (talk) 15:40, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
Why am I not surprised at all that the 2 users above want this page to be deleted. Did you message each other to decide your next plan of attack? JWAD (talk)
Comment on the topic, not on your opinion of any other editors. - eo (talk) 16:50, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
I thought this was a discussion page? If I want to make a comment I will. Thanks for your concerns :) JWAD (talk)
Jwad, there were numerous votes to merge in the Afd. Raising a discussion to merge is the standard procedure in such a situation. The above users have similar opinions so it is reasonable for them to take similar steps as a result of those opinions. Yes, this is a discussion page, but it is not a general discussion page. Your comment can be argued as being on topic (the topic being how best to improve this article), but only vaguely so. In my experience, such comments cause other editors to treat the poster with less respect, which I've found is not a terribly effective tactic when your goal is to sway the position of others to match your own. For more guidence on what is and is not appropriate practice for article talk pages, you may wish to check WP:TALK. -Verdatum (talk) 01:34, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
  • KEEP Please see above comment JWAD (talk)
You already expressed this opinion directly above. - eo (talk) 16:50, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for your continued concern about what I write. Much appreciated. JWAD (talk)
  • Comment please stay cool, discuss the article not editor's presumed intentions and do not remove other's opinions (I restored a few) as, except for extreme cases, it's better that rudeness - real or perceived - stays public for others to notice it too . See Wikipedia:Civility#Removal of uncivil comments) - Nabla (talk) 17:46, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

It is true that "Hung Up" and "Music" are not part of the "Hard Candy" album. But to suggest that just because they were performed with the new songs from the album would therefore warrant a whole new page, when it could be easily condensed into possibly 'Reworked versions of "Hung Up" and "Music" were also performed as part of the performance"', seems superfluous. Reqluce (talk) 19:17, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

  • Merge "Hard candy promo tour" which, as far as I can tell, is a name made up for the purpose of creating the article does not appear to be notable independently of the Hard Candy album. Neither article is terribly large in terms of WP:SIZE. There just is not yet enough verifiable information published by reliable sources for either to nessitate the need for two separate pages. If you are worried about clutter, that is solved by a cleanup, not by keeping two separate articles. If the content of either topic becomes too large, nothing prevents it from being split later, as per WP:SPINOUT and WP:SUMMARY. -Verdatum (talk) 01:19, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep. Really, this is Wikipedia's biggest concern? The article contains data about the show, the reception, the controversy, the personnel...There is absolutelly no reason to delete/merge this article. There are TOURS - Celine Dion's early tours for example - that have less informations than this promo tour. Alecsdaniel (talk) 15:45, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
    • The issues with that argument are explained at WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. If you have issues with other articles, you are welcome to discuss them on their respective talkpages. We have issues with this article, so we are discussing it here. Further, your vote of "Keep" is a bit misleading, as we are not discussing removing the content, merely pushing it over to another article. This page would then be made to automatically redirect to that one; I'm sure you understood this, I merely mention it to prevent others from being confused. -Verdatum (talk) 18:51, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Merge. I'm sorry. This is absolutely not notable. Just because it can be sourced (no matter how well) does not mean that it deserves a page on Wikipedia. Sure, a promotion section on the album page would be fine. But a full page? Maybe a page on the promotion Madonna did would make sense, but certainly not a page just on the tour itself. SKS2K6 (talk) 21:24, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep. The other promo tours have their own pages. 76.124.165.253 (talk) 21:37, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
  • NO Merge. As you will probably notice this article has been expanded quite a lot. It has the same information as any of her other concert world tours and is completely relevant! There is too much information on this page to merge it. JWAD (talk)