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Contents 1 Missing word 2 GA Review 3 Comments before 2nd GA Review 4 GA on hold 5 GA passed

[edit] Missing word

Presumably "simultaneously practicing law Versailles" should be "simultaneously practicing law in Versailles?" Haus^Talk 15:16, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA Review

This article is close to GA quality. The two {{fact}} templates added by Acdixon on May 8 are reasonable and must be replaced by citations before submission of the article for a GA review. If and when the article is re-submitted, please feel free to mention the fact on m talk page and I'll, er, happily review it again. Cheers. Haus^Talk 15:31, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Comments before 2nd GA Review

I thought I'd have more time this weekend than I actually will, but I've read through the article a few times and want to informally point out a few items prior to a 2nd GA Review.

First off: this is a very nice article overall. Good structure, infobox, persondata, picture, navigation templates, etc.

The biggest weakness is, I think, in the references. For example, in the Powell book, what page would I turn to to find out about the practice in Versailles? The way I'd approach it is similar to what's done in Domenico Selvo. Notice, for example, how the Nicol book is mentioned in the References section, and individual citations are made by page number in the Notes section.

This is the second article on which I've seen the page number issue mentioned, yet there doesn't seem to be a Wikipedia requirement anywhere for it. I thought the point of having the named reference feature was to cut down on the length of the references section, but having to cite a specific page on every cite would totally defeat that purpose.

That's not directed at you; it's just me thinking out loud. I'd love to hear your thoughts on it, though. Acdixon 14:32, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

There are a number of items that really should be cited. My top ten are:

• "mother abandoning the family"
  • This sentence begins "in his autobiography." I thought that would be a sufficient cite.
• "rather than elected at the party conventions."
  • The cite at the end of the paragraph is meant for the entire paragraph. Is this allowed in Wikipedia?

* "which Laffoon supported but Chandler opposed."

• • Clarified.

* "the repeal of parimutuel betting"

• "plan to build a hydroelectric dam on Cumberland Falls"
  • Both clarified.

* "policies of President Roosevelt."

• • Clarified.
• "began campaigning for Chandler's election to the post."
  • Again, the cite at the end is meant for the entire paragraph.

* "his own party at the state level as well."

• • Clarified.
• "from the 1930s."
• "Harold E. Stassen."
  • I was concerned about these two. Another editor added the fact about last surviving senator from the 1930s. Neither of us has found a place where this is explicitly stated, but a search of the Biographical Dictionary of the United States Congress for all ten years in that decade will show it to be true. In your opinion, should using this as a cite be sufficient? As for the Stassen fact, it's also in Stassen's article, but is left uncited. I can't imagine this hasn't been recorded somewhere, but try as I might, I haven't found it yet.

See my inline comments. Acdixon 14:32, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Presumably you'll be taking this article to FAC in the near future. If so, then building up your citations to the "almost every sentence" point certainly won't hurt anything.

• Given the present beating I'm taking on my FA nom for William Goebel, I'm not sure I'm too eager to nominate anything for FA again! LOL Anyway, I'm glad you think it might one day merit such a nom. Acdixon 14:32, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

There are also a few iffy places in the prose. These jump out at me:

* "tender age of 37"

• • Yes, on second look, perhaps this is a bit too flowery. Removed.

* ", and at sixteen" → ". At sixteen,"

• • Took a few glances, but I see the problem now. Corrected.

* "was fatally wounded when he fell" → "died after falling"

• • Yes, that sounds much better. Thank you.
• "and, against his father's wishes,"
  • I don't see the problem here. Please elaborate.

* "degrees from Transylvania (1936)"

• • Corrected.

* "Chandler did spend when necessary, however."

• • Corrected.

* "Governor and Ms. Chandler in 1936." (Mrs.?)

• • Force of habit. Corrected.

See my inline comments. Acdixon 14:32, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Finally, I noticed at least one little problem lurking in the lead: the Wallace connection doesn't appear to be mentioned in the body. Cheers. Haus^Talk 01:21, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

You're right, and now I can't even remember where I read that. I've removed it until I can find it again.

Thanks for the great advice. It is tough to find these kinds of details in something you've written yourself and looked at a few too many times. Would you mind taking a look at my William Goebel article (mentioned above) and see if you can give me some help with it as well? Thanks. Acdixon 14:32, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA on hold

I have reviewed this article according to the GA criteria and have put the article on hold until the following issues are fixed.

1. In the infobox for his political party, I think it should just be Democrat, not Democratic (although we do want all of our politicians to be democratic!).
2. "At sixteen, his only brother, two years younger than he, was died after falling from a cherry tree from which he was picking." Reword to "At sixteen, his fourteen-year-old brother died after falling from a tree while picking cherries." or something to that effect. Also move this sentence to after the next one since you are talking about his age here at 16 and in the next sentence he is 8.
3. "Chandler graduated high school in 1917, and, against his father's wishes, enrolled Transylvania University in Lexington, Kentucky". "enrolled at"
4. "All the while, he worked odd jobs to support himself." Reword to "Throughout his educational career, he worked..." All the while shouldn't be used.
5. "Chandler graduated from Transylvania in 1921, taking with him both a bachelor's degree and his life-long nickname." Mention the nickname again; assume some readers may skip over the intro. You can probably just readd the same sentence in the intro to the second paragraph in the "Early life" section.
6. "For the next five years, Chandler was an assistant football coach at Centre College in Danville, simultaneously practicing law in Versailles." Single sentence shouldn't stand alone. Either expand on this or incorporate it into another paragraph. Maybe also consider combining it with the sentence before it.
7. "He became infatuated and eventually persuaded his new love to break her engagement to another man." Reword to "He eventually persuaded his new love to break her current engagement with another man." Infatuated isn't really necessary.
8. "Chandler successfully opposed both proposals." I don't understand how he can successfully oppose something. Do you mean that with his opposition, the two proposals did not pass/or failed? I think that should be reworded a little better.
9. "This bucking of the political machine made him a hero in the eyes of the people." If possible, specify which "people". The entire U.S./Kentucky citizens/the legislature?
10. "Chandler did spend when necessary." This may be seen as slight POV or maybe just obvious as many politicans do spend when they have to; perhaps something simple like "Chandler increased spending on several projects and proposals throughout his term." or something to that effect.
11. "He further provided for free textbooks for students" Use also instead of further.
12. "Chandler's heroics continued during the Ohio River flood of 1937, when he personally supervised the evacuation of a partly-flooded penitentiary in Frankfort." If possible, add an inline citation for this.
13. "Though Chandler lost to the very popular Barkley, President Franklin D. Roosevelt felt compelled to make a trip to the state to support Barkley's candidacy, just in case." Just in case should probably be removed.
14. "Chandler suspended Brooklyn Dodgers manager Leo "the Lip" Durocher for the entire 1947 season, citing "conduct detrimental to baseball." Again, don't let single sentences stand alone. Elaborate on the sentence a little more.
15. "During his service, he presided over the establishment of a pension fund for players, but his most significant contribution was overseeing the initial steps toward integration of the major leagues..." In the intro, integration is wikilinked to racial integration and this one links to baseball color line. You should probably settle on one, whichever you think is more appropriate/relevant. Also, in the next paragraph "Baseball Commissioner" is used, when the article calls the office "Commissioner of Baseball". Change that as well.
16. "He later apologized." Elaborate a little more: "He later apologized for his comments, etc."
17. Is there any information of what he died of? If possible, include it in the article.
18. "Chandler is the grandfather of U.S. Representative Ben Chandler." Single sentence; expand.

The article was an interesting read, and besides the above suggestions, looks really good. Please address the above issues within seven days and I will pass the article. If you have any questions about my review or if when you are done let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. --Nehrams2020 20:39, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA passed

I have reviewed this article according to the GA criteria and have passed the article at this time. Good job on fixing all of the above issues. Continue to improve the article, making sure that all new information is properly sourced. If you have the time, please consider reviewing an article or two at GAC to help with the current drive to remove the backlog. Keep improving the quality of articles on Wikipedia! --Nehrams2020 17:49, 6 June 2007 (UTC)