Talk:Haplogroup R (Y-DNA)

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I change north america for parts of the americas in places were the r1b halogroup is common are you forgetting that Argentina and Uruguay are 90% Galician (nothern spanish) basques, italian and british??? which means that most of the population come from the paces where this halogroup is almost exclusive.

I'm rolling back the merger.

Putting R1a1 and R1b and R2 all in this article makes it too long and unwieldy.

The previous structure was better. -- Jheald 19:53, 28 June 2006 (UTC).

feel free to branch back out per WP:SS, but that's no reason to revert; I merged a couple of stubs, it is better to discuss them centrally. The only article developed enough for branching out so far is R1a1. dab (ᛏ) 21:26, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

There is substantially different genetic history associated with R1a1, R1b and R2. I don't see what your problem is with separate articles, nor why you want to force the whole lot in here.

WP gains, where appropriate, from having short articles focussed on different subjects. Jheald 21:38, 28 June 2006 (UTC).

So, you want to scramble together all the links and external references which were separately relevant for the individual subgroups, all together into one heap? Why???

I appreciate the good material and edits you've been adding to Wikipedia. But, why not contribute the material you want to contribute to the separate R1a1 R1b and R2 pages? Jheald 21:45, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

You see, I am not just merging here, I am sifting through the material for inaccuracies and mistakes. I don't want to do that on four articles simultaneously. I have no objection to keeping separate {{main}} articles for the subclades, but apart from R1a1, there is just not enough material so far to warrant that. There is no point in having a Haplogroup R1b1c1 (Y-DNA) telling us that this is a subclade of Haplogroup R1b1c (Y-DNA) and nothing else. I admit, again, that we seem to have enough material on R1a1 to warrant its own article. Possibly also R1b. I have no objection to keeping those. That doesn't mean that this article should be bombed back to stub status. Scattered sub-articles make a comparative discussion impossible. dab (ᛏ) 21:48, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

no, no, I don't want to throw the references into one heap. I am working on it, ok? {{inuse}}? Again, I don't object to the re-creation of the sub-articles, just leave me in peace on this central one for a minute. dab (ᛏ) 21:49, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

I am done for now; I do not find the article unwieldy, to the contrary, it has the perfect size for an overview of the group. I have no idea what "many within the of the sept associated with Niall of the Nine Hostages" is supposed to mean, and whatever it is, it is unsourced, but I left it standing for now. dab (ᛏ) 22:41, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Contents 1 Article cloning 2 Better sourcing, lots of crazy claims 3 Image of "sorb national costume" 4 Migration map

[edit] Article cloning

The principle of cloning the R1a and R1b article into this one is fundamentally flawed as they constantly need to be synchronized. There's very little point in having the full text in several places. I'm going to remove all the text, apart from the intros, for the groups and keep the links to the main articles. --Denoir 22:44, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Better sourcing, lots of crazy claims

I've just removed this absurd sentence from the page:

Ancient European legends often report a Scythian origin for the royal families of Europe, which may be the source of the slight distribution of R1a in western and southern Europe.

This statement is absurdly non-specific (does the author have any idea how many royal families there are in Europe?). Every trace level of some haplogroup in an otherwise largely distinct population can be explained by recourse to some obscure legend, but this doesn't mean we ought to mention it unless there's at least some reason to believe it was true. --Saforrest 06:14, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

I don't like the article. For example, the whole passage about R1b1 should start with the notion about the change of nomenclature (R1b3>R1b1]. Each haplotype should get its own paragraph. This article is somewhat messy. 82.100.61.114 13:58, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Image of "sorb national costume"

This seems like a bit of a case of misleading vividness to have females of an ethnicity pictured in reference to Y-DNA of that particular people, doesn't it? Nagelfar (talk) 14:24, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Migration map

The map at the top of this article is highly misleading. As just one example, I1a is shown traveling from Near East straight to Scandinavia, whereas data shows instead that I1a traveled North from a glacial refuge in Western Europe. Jamesdowallen (talk) 05:48, 6 May 2008 (UTC)