Talk:Haplogroup I1 (Y-DNA)

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although almost always overshadowed by the more prevalent carriers of Haplogroup R or Haplogroup N.

Overshadowed by N? I'd hardly say the I1a group is ever overshadowed by N within the boundries of northern Europe; maybe only select places in Finland. Nagelfar 00:03, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Haplogroup N3 dominates over Haplogroup I1a among the populations of Finland and Estonia in the same way that Haplogroups R1a and R1b dominate over Haplogroups I1a and I1b2 among the populations of Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Germany, and the Netherlands.

OK, but that's only in a select area; I1a has a much wider swath. Also, it takes both subtypes of R; R1a & R1b together, to overshadow I1a; each one shares the areas by nearly a third of the population. The article should at least make it not seem that I1a is so rare by comparison; it is the second most common Y haplogroup in Europe. Nagelfar 22:21, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Proposal to create a new WikiProject: Genetic History

I have put up a suggestion at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals to create a new WikiProject, WikiProject: Genetic History.

To quote from what I've written there:

Description

A wikiproject for articles on DNA research into genetic genealogy and genealogical DNA tests; the history and spread of human populations as revealed by eg human Y-chromosome and mitochondrial DNA haplogroups; and similar. Many such articles can be found in Category:Genetic genealogy and its subcategories, notably the subcategories on human haplogroups.

Rationale

• My direct motivation for seeking this Wikiproject was a recent run-in at Y-chromosomal Aaron, where I desperately missed the lack of a relevant WikiProject talk page to go to, to attract the input, advice and views of knowledgeable editors in this area.

There's a lot of general public interest in the proposed subject area -- eg the Y-chromosomal Aaron page is apparently getting well over 100 hits a day, and over the last 18 months or so there's been a lot of material added, by a fair number of different editors, mostly editing different pages which are particularly relevant to them. IMO, a central wikiproject would be useful, and also a good place to be able to bring WP:OR, WP:V, and WP:general cluelessness issues for wider informed input.

Wikipedia:WikiProject Molecular and Cellular Biology and Wikipedia:WikiProject Evolutionary biology do already exist, but their focus is much much broader. With regard to those project's charters, I believe the subject would be seen as a rather specialist niche topic area, rather out of the mainstream of those project's normal focus. On the other hand, I believe that there are a number of wikipedia editors (and readers) who are specifically interested in the subject, who would find advantage if there were a specific wikiproject for it. Jheald (talk) 12:56, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

If people think this would be a good idea, it's a target for WikiProjects to have at least five "interested" signatures to show there's some support, before they get going.

Alternatively, if people think it would be a bad idea, please leave a comment in the comments section.

Either way, please show what you think, at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Proposals#Genetic_History

Thanks, Jheald (talk) 13:43, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Off topic additions.

I still find myself regrettably disagreeing with the some of Aaronjhill's edits. Things like mentioning of Anglo-Frisian languages seems off topic and not tied directly to the matter at hand of the I1a haplogroup. Maybe someone can arbitrate a change. Nagelfar (talk) 07:30, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The page move to Haplogroup I1 (Y-DNA)

By which official source should we consider the page move of the haplogroup to it's re-designation as "I1" (and the same for the I1b page to I2)? This is difficult for me to consider crossing the line to action because wikipedia goes on notability and the most prevalent terminology (in this case I1a), but it is also meant to keep up on factual information by boldness and the newest official information on subjects. What announcement will herald the change? Because from what I've been reading lately, it is most assured that it is now considered I1. Nagelfar (talk) 10:37, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

The public release of the preprint from the YCC can be considered the "announcement". Most of the other Y-haplogroup pages have been moved/updated. This one should be too. Jheald (talk) 11:08, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

OK, we still need to edit things like the Template:Y-DNA I, some of the names of external links: (e.g. "Map of 'I1c' (now considered I1b2a)" which is not now even I1b2a on the I2 page) and the name of [[image:I1a europe.jpg]] to simply I1 (would we need to ask a moderator to do this?) Nagelfar (talk) 21:42, 9 April 2008 (UTC)