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[edit] User: outofhome media

i'm on the marketing team for OnSite Network, Inc., and all i'm trying to do is place some information about our company on Wikipeida and it keeps getting tagged for removal. Please help me understand how http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In-Store_Broadcasting_Network is allowed, but our entry is not. Thanks. Outofhome media (talk) 14:04, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] User:Josh Hilton

i think the whole point of the hang on page is stupid. wikipedia should make it so that ppl can post whatever they wanted on OUR wikipedia page. i think that MANY more ppl would enjoy going on wikipedia if that was so. :D —Preceding unsigned comment added by Theonly1forparis (talk • contribs) 17:35, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

I also believe this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Handsomekiller01 (talk • contribs) 05:31, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] User:Kim Bruning

You know, you'd think that if people now have to post HangOn on a page, that eventualism would be dead. I guess we should monitor use of this template. If it gets used much at all, it might be nescesary to drastically curb speedy deletion. Kim Bruning

It's about time people had this. If it's contested, that's what VFD is for. DyslexicEditor 06:38, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

I have written an article on the flemish painter Rachel who is from the group of Magritte; it is a shame there is not yet an article yet and some person has made this to be deleted.

I was writing an article on MSN Scripts and by accident clicked save page instead of show preview, now someone wants this deleted.

[edit] Color of the template.

Shouldn't this template's color be one that is contrasting to the speedy delete templates. Looking at it quickly, it is mistaken for part of the speedy del. template. I propose a light blue, perhaps. → J @red 00:33, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

You mean something like:

I disagree; that's a good thing. We don't want to have a zillion rainbow-colored tags on an article. --Rory096 23:36, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

I disagree with User:Rory096's comment. The {{hangon}} tag is only supposed to be on an article for a short time, and the advantage that a contrasting colour would provide by reducing confusion is far bigger than the disadvantage by making a page look slightly worse for a short time. I will change the background colour to aqua. Polonium 18:13, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Does it have to be aqua? It's contrasting yes, but, not exactly easy on the eyes. Can it be a more... conventional blue like originally suggested? --Signed and Sealed, JJJJust (T C) 20:44, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Ouch my eyes! Blue or Green are good ideas but can we please have something a bit darker? It's very hard when strolling through the hangons! J.J.Sagnella 21:05, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

It does not matter what colour it is (in my opinion) as long as it contrasts with the colour used on CSD templates. If you prefer green or some other colour, you may change it, as long as it still contrasts. Polonium 22:38, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

I changed it to lightblue. Polonium 22:39, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Comment

Hangon is normally used for people who don't want their article to be deleted, or thinks differently about stuff, people still can remove the speedy tag if they don't clearly qualify for one, they just can't remove it if it's there own article or if the person is not that sure if it qualifies. I still do that for example. Thanks Jaranda ^{wat's sup} 18:09, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

I'll just highlight this -- anyone can remove an improperly placed speedy deletion tag; say one placed by someone who doesn't understand the criteria and doesn't list one. +sj +

[edit] Categorization

Why does this template categorize pages into Category:Candidates for speedy deletion? Stifle (talk) 02:15, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure that this is the actual reason, but: The people who write speedy-deletable pages tend to be newbies who don't yet know Wikipedia procedure, and might very well replace a speedy deletion tag with a {{hangon}} tag. The extra categorization tag keeps the page from falling through the cracks in this case. (When the template is used properly, the categorization tag appears twice, but this causes no real harm.) lowercase 03:13, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Looks like you nailed it: [1] -- Omicronpersei8 (talk) 02:48, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Possibly add current date

Does anyone here think that it could be helpful to have {{Hangon}} show the amount of time it was on the page for? This way an administrator could easily tell if it is probably stale. It doesn't seem like it is too challenging to make a template showing this amount of time. -- kenb215 23:09, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

If would have to be substed, wouldn't it? As most people creating speedily deletable pages are new and unacquainted with policy or the use of the site's code, I don't see this as being a good idea, since it would also create more code bloat on pages. -- Omicronpersei8 (talk) 00:34, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] {{hangon|Comment}}

I've moved part of my original post under this heading from here to Wikipedia talk:Criteria for speedy deletion. -- Omicronpersei8 (talk) 04:17, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

I recall now that {{hangon}} is meant to be removed once the explanation is written on the talk page. Is this ever really done? Do admins even check talk pages of speedied articles? Since speedied articles are deleted, uh, speedily, why not just let {{hangon}} hang on until deletion/keeping? -- Omicronpersei8 (talk) 01:01, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree, admins do not check the talk page usually. The {{hangon}} tag is the only way to notice that it is controversial. I will remove the notice. Polonium 19:30, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hangon cannot be placed on talk page

BLACK TRIP is worthy Metal band in music industry, has shared the stage with pioneers of Heavy metal such as OVERKILL, Joey Belladonna (ANTHRAX), the band is been active 10 years, is a Top Metal band in the Mexico City and now in the U.S is one of the important metal bands. This page: Talk:Lori_Klausutis is listed for speedy delete per C8. However, it is impossible to put a "hangon" template in the talk page and the project page is protected. Since there is criteria for speedy deleting a talk page, shouldn't the hangon template be able to be added and show normally? --*Spark* 17:30, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree whole-heartedly. GRrr. Jobjörn (Talk ° contribs) 08:30, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I just ran into this as well and find it to be very confusing. Please also see discussion on the same problem at the {{db-talk}} talk page. Either:

the db-talk template has to change to not refer to the ability to "hangon"
or this template needs to be able to be included in talk namespace
or a new hangon-talk needs to be instituted and the db-talk template modified to reference that template instead of this one for contesting csd in talk namespace

Thoughts? ju66l3r 21:31, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

I've implemented a version in my sandbox. With my version , you can override this using the tp parameter: {{hangon|tp=1}} shows up as:

The speedy deletion of this page is contested. The person placing this notice intends to dispute the speedy deletion of this article on its talk page, and requests that this page not be deleted in the meantime.

Note that this request is not binding, and the page may still be deleted if the page unquestionably meets the speedy deletion criteria, or if the promised explanation is not provided very soon. This template should not be removed from a page still marked with a speedy deletion template.

This should solve the problem. --Sigma 7 00:43, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Done. Please let me know if it causes any problems. Xiner (talk, email) 20:25, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Ok...I am completely lost. Sflordeliza 22:00, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Suggesting a change in wording

The wording "the page may still be deleted if it is considered that the page unquestionably meets the speedy deletion criteria" is clunky. "Considered" by whom? An admin, clearly, in which case "it is considered that" is superfluous: admins have this discretionary power without needing a template to spell it out. The unnecessary passive voice evokes images of shadowy coteries sitting in judgement on every article (so true!). Suggest leaving just "the page may still be deleted if it unquestionably meets etc." — Kaustuv Chaudhuri 02:27, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Sounds reasonable to me. -- Ned Scott 04:43, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

~~How's "if it is considered by an administrator..."?~~ Nevermind, I read it wrong. Sounds good to me. Luigi30 (Taλk) 18:33, 26 January 2007 (UTC) Luigi30 (Taλk) 18:31, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Speedy deletion may delete knowledge or popular search items or information that people across the world are looking for... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Montyleemt (talk • contribs) 10:23, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Removal of hangon tag

I found an instance where a hangon tag was removed from an article by someone who left the speedy deletion template in place. I found this behavior shockingly inconsiderate, and so I have added a note in the tag explaining that the hangon tag should not be removed if the speedy deletion template is to remain. I don't expect this to be controversial, but just in case -- the point of this tag is to allow for a mark on a page to let a reviewing administrator know that the article creator objects and may be working to correct the problem or offer an explanation (or may have already done so). Remember that the article creator is not allowed to remove speedy tags, so they need some way of doing this. Hangon tags should only be removed if the speedy deletion is denied, otherwise, the fact that the article creator wants to mention something should remain obvious on the page. Mango juice^talk 15:37, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Awkward wording

The last sentence: "Nonetheless, this template should not be removed from a page if it will still be marked with a speedy deletion template."

There should be a better wording. It took me about 20 seconds to realize what this meant, and I wasn't absolutely sure until I read the comment in the history by the user that added this wording.

Perhaps, "Once this {{hang-on}} template has been added, it should not be removed until until an administrator has made a decision and removed the speedy deletion template." Sanchom (talk) 20:32, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

I changed it to "This template should not be removed from a page still marked with a speedy deletion template.". -- Rick Block (talk) 20:29, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] User talk pages

Some users think that the hangon tag needs to be placed on their userpage. I think we need to add a message in the template that placing the tag onto your talk page won't let other users know that you are objecting to the deletion - the {{db}} template already contains this. --Sigma 7 11:42, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

If this is a problem, I think it would be better to change the namespace test so that the template gives a warning unless it is in namespace 0. Right now it gives a warning only if it is in namespace 1. All that has to be done is change the sense of the conditional. CMummert · talk 12:17, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Note that we would have to include the image namespace as well, since that is a reasonable location for the tag. CMummert · talk 14:00, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

I've disabled the editprotected request for right now. There are a couple of issues that need to be resolved, and they may require some time to write the proper code. I'm thinking a #switch: command that is also able to see if the subject page exists (for cases where a {{hangon}} would be appropriate for a talk page using {{db-talk}}). In addition, the image namespace shouldn't contain a warning if a hangon is placed there. This will require some thought.... Cheers. --MZMcBride 22:56, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Eh. WP:KISS and WP:BEANS apply. If a page is deleted, it can always be brought back if it was a mistake. Mango juice^talk 20:44, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Solution for use on talk pages

This is designed to produce an error when placed on talk pages, conflicting with {{db-talk}}. See further discussion at Template_talk:Db-talk. Either this template should be allowed on talk pages, or a twin designed for talk pages should be created and referenced in {{db-talk}}. Generalization seems more versatile, but I say that without understanding justification for the error message. Thanks ∴ here…♠ 19:39, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

There is already syntax to put this on a talk page. Most of the time that it's put on a talk page, it ought to be on the article instead. That's why it gives an error by default. If it gets put on a talk page, the article may deleted by mistake. CMummert · talk 22:55, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Cool. Will continue discussion on exception for {{db-talk}} at Template_talk:db-meta. ∴ here…♠ 00:48, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Any template that behaves differently on talk pages should at least have a link to a good discussion page for the error message, when that template is used on a talk page. Mathiastck 00:35, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Speedy deletion may delete knowledge or good information that people need, especially across the world. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Montyleemt (talk • contribs) 18:22, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Anyone to add a chinese link?

zh:Template:Hangon,here.--Ksyrie 01:08, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Done --ais523 11:37, 3 September 2007 (U T C)

[edit] Amboxify?

{{editprotected}} Can someone convert this to use {{ambox}} in order to match {{db-meta}}? Zetawoof_(ζ)

Done Correctly I hope ;-) GDonato (talk) 14:48, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Add a category

I'd like to see [[Category:Speedy Deletion Contested]] added. It'll assist in hunting down contested candidates for speedy deletion so I can focus my attention on them. —X S G 02:48, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

It already does. See Category:Contested candidates for speedy deletion. --- RockMFR 17:09, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Interwiki

[[ru:Template:Hangon]]. — Kalan ? 08:32, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Done. --- RockMFR 17:09, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Please place usage on a sub-page

{{editprotected}} Please place the Usage section on a sub-page, to allow users to edit it on their own (including categories, interwiki, etc). Od Mishehu 15:11, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Done -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 16:09, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Need some help

I just need some help installing audio, not very know how on any computer activity. Please help.Djmwaj (talk) 19:48, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

This page is for discussing the {{hangon}} template. Are you have an issue with the wikimedia audio player? If so try WP:VPT. Otherwise, we are not a computer repair shop. — xaosflux ^Talk 22:39, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Interwiki link

Please add a link to Swedish Wikipedia: [[sv:Mall:Låtvara]] . Best regards Ulner (talk) 19:01, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Done. Soxred93 | talk bot 13:46, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Category:Candidates for speedy deletion

{{editprotected}} Should the {{hangon}} template add pages to the Category:Candidates for speedy deletion? It seems like that's taken care of by {{prod}}. Should the overcategorization in this template be removed? --SSBohio 01:24, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

{{hangon}} adds pages to the CSD category so that, if a new user accidentally removes the CSD template and replaces it with {{hangon}}, the page doesn't fall through the cracks. Zetawoof_(ζ) 02:14, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

== J.D. Lyons == How does this thing work? Did I meet the Hangon requirements? Where do i respond?

Everything stated is factual, and non promotional. It is simply a short explanation of "who" J.D. Lyons (myself)is in regards to being a Ring Announcer. You may also look me up here:

http://www.myspace.com/jdlyonsvocalthunder I am sure the pictures will verify your questions.

Thanks, JD Lyons —Preceding unsigned comment added by Soundtraveler (talk • contribs) 03:40, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

You do not meet the Notability Guidelines and have a Conflict of Interest. Do not oppose deletion here, rather on the article's talk page. George D. Watson (Dendodge).Talk^Help 06:55, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] curtis kelly

curtis kelly is a member of the uconn huskies mens basketball team. that makes him significent enough. so mind your own business and remove him from speedy deletion. just because u don't give a shit doesnt mean his page isnt important. it is too all the basketball fans.

the text re michael strassen on the companythemusical.co.uk was in fact written by michael strassen so has copyright to be used —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mstrassen (talk • contribs) 17:32, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Zenwaiter Article shd remain

The article written about Zenwaiter should remain. It is good information about a very informative web site that snowmobile enthusiasts find very useful. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zenwaiter (talk • contribs) 14:16, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] About eZ Math

The article I have written is about the eZ Math which I developed and is now being taught in the Philippines. I just narrated how did I arrive with the system. It was first introduced by my father and I further developed it. I just want to let others know that there is a new system currently being taught in Manila, Philippines which helps students enjoy and understand math better. This is my first article and I apologize for the inconvenience it may cause. I hope you can reconsider my article before it is deleted. If there are things that needs changing, I humbly ask you to notify me so I can make the necessary changes in order to meet your criterias. I am not advertising myself. You may delete the contact detail (email address) if it violates the rules. Hoping for your kind consideration on the matter, I am. Thank you for your time and understanding. (--Wizard's Lab--) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wizard's Lab (talk • contribs) 15:47, 8 June 2008 (UTC)