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According to Canonical Records of the Jurchen Jin Dynasty, Wanyan Hanpu became a member of the Wanyan Tribe after he successfully stopped an inter-tribe conflict. An old woman of Wanyan Tribe got married with him and created the line of later Jurchen Jin Dynasty's emperors. However, it was his grand grand grand son Wanyan Shilu who became the chieftain of the Wanyan Tribe (《Canonical Records of the Jurchen Jin Dynasty》：「皇高祖太師」 where 太師 is the official name given by Khitan Liao Dynasty to Jurchen chieftains). Wanyan Hanpu, his son and his grand son (namely Wanyan Wulu and Wanyan Bahai), were merely regular members of the Wanyan Tribe. Wanyan Bahai's son is Wanyan Suike, who was an officer (孛堇, but not yet 太師) of his place according to Canonical Records of the Jurchen Jin Dynasty (皇五代祖孛堇). --Jiejunkong 23:37, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] surname
The source document doesn't say that his surname is "Kim" -- in fact, it says that the Jin royal family comes from the "靺鞨 clan" (mohe), but doesn't mention that Hanpu had a surname at all. There isn't any evidence that he was Korean speaking. All it says that he came from Korea/Goryo (the place), and then it talks about the Jurchen and the Bohai being of the same kind - so he could easily be a Chinese or Manchu-speaking Bohai Jurchen. Given that articles on all of his descendants are at their Chinese names, we should be consistent and move this to Shizu of Jin or Hanpu. -PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 05:18, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
Korean historians recognize the ancestor of the Jin or Geum Empire to have been Gim Hambo (김함보). I will provide a source or piece of evidence that supports this statement by Korea. --74.232.227.167 (talk) 22:15, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
